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I found the study burried deep in a word document.

My apologies if this has been posted here before AND to the original poster of this information. I can’t remember where I found this.

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INTRODUCTION

The tunica albuginea of the penis lends great flexibility, rigidity and tissue strength to the penis [1]. It consists of an inner circular and an outer longitudinal layer [2]. Intracavernosal pillars arise from the inner layer and radiate into the corpora cavernosa (CC). Together with the septum, theyprovide support to the erectile tissue [3, 4]. The corpus spongiosum lacks the outer layer and the intracorporeal pillars [3].

The anatomical data regarding the origin, morphology, as well as nerve and blood supply of the bulbocavernosus muscle (BCM) and ischiocavernosus muscle (ICM), are well documented in the literature [5, 6, 7, 8]. However, the exact mode of insertion of these muscles into the TA of the penile shaft needs to be described more clearly. Detailed knowledge of the mode of attachment of the BC and IC muscle fibers into the penile TA seems necessary for a better understanding of the role of these muscles in the mechanism of erection. In the current communication, we studied the penile TA and the mode of insertion of the IC and BC muscles into it.

MATERIAL AND METHODS

The study was comprised of 28 cadaveric specimens: 18 adult (mean age 37.3 ± 8.6 SD years, range 26–48) and 10 fully mature neonatal cadavers. All the cadavers had normal genitourinary organs. The obtained specimens consisted of the perineum and included the penis with its bulb and crura and parts of the ischial tuberosities to allow for collection of the cavernosus muscles from origin to insertion. The specimens were fixed in 10% formalin. The TA and the mode of insertion of the cavernosus muscles into the penis were studied by the naked eye with the help of a magnifying loupe and bright light. Sections for microanatomical studies were then taken from the penile shaft and the root including the bulb and crura. The specimens were stained with hematoxylin, eosin and Verhoeff van Gieson stain. Each section was studied for the TA structure and the relation of the two cavernosus muscles to it.

RESULTS

In all 28 cases, the TA of the CC consisted of collagen fibers impregnated with few elastic fibers. The collagen fibers were arranged in bundles in a wavy pattern. In 20 cadaveric specimens, the TA of the CC was formed of two layers: an inner circular and an outer longitudinal (Figure 1). In six of the 28 specimens, it consisted of three layers: an inner circular, intermediate longitudinal and outer circular (Figure 2). In the remaining two specimens, the TA was formed of a single longitudinal layer (Figure 3). At the junction of the CC with the corpus spongiosum (CS) in all the studied specimens, the TA of the CC consisted only of the circular layer. The TA of the CS consisted of only one layer with circularly orientedfibers; no longitudinal fibers were detected in any of the specimens examined.

Mode of Insertion of the Bulbo-/Ischio-Cavernosus Muscles into the Tunica Albuginea

The BCM lay over the penile bulb and its muscle bundles were arranged in 3 groups: 2 lateral and 1 median (Figure 4). The lateral fibers were inserted into the perineal membrane. The median fibers were grouped together forming a ribbon that extended over the penile bulb and the proximal part of the CS, where it bifurcated into two limbs (Figure 4). Each limb proceeded laterally forward and approached the ICM at the lateral surface of each CC. The two muscles fused, forming one muscular limb, which, in 18 cadavers, ended in tendinous fibers that, together with the contralateral fibers, formed a fibrous belt over the dorsum of the 2 CCs. In 6/28 cadaveric specimens, the conjoint limb continued over the CC dorsum as fleshy fibers; it contained no tendinous fibers (Figure 5). In the remaining 4/28 specimens, the conjoint limb of the BCM and ICM was attached on each side to the lateral surface of the CC (Figure 6); no extension forming a belt over the dorsum of the CC was found.

DISCUSSION

The current study could shed some light on the structural-functional adaptation of both the TA and cavernosus muscles’ insertion to the erectile mechanism. The TA consisted mainly of collagen fibers that are inextensible. However, the wavy pattern of collagen in the flaccid state of the penis, as well as the impregnation of the TA with few elastic fibers, apparently give the TA a degree of expandability during erection.

Variations in the morphologic structure of the TA of the CC were detected. The two-layered TA was the most common with 71.4%, while the three-layered TA was encountered in 21.4% and the single layer in 7.2%. The exact significance of the structural variations of the TA during erection is not known. It is likely that the degree of tumescence depends on the TA structure. Thus, we assume that the triple-layered TA gives more firmness to penile erection than the single or double-layered TA. Similarly, the TA of 2 layers, which is the most common pattern, would provide a stronger erection than the single layer. This comparison of the role of the different layers of the TA in erection seems applicable, provided the other factors of penile erection are standardized. Alternatively, it might be that the increase of the TA layers impede the erectile process. On the other hand, the CS is covered by a single layer of TA, and this fact might diminish its rigidity on erection compared to the rigidity of the CC. However, the role of the different layers of the TA in erection needs to be investigated.

As regards to the mode of cavernosus muscles’ insertion into the TA, 3 patterns were encountered: fibrous belt, muscular belt and beltless. The fibrous belt insertion of the 2 cavernosus muscles was the most common pattern, representing 75% of the studied specimens. Meanwhile, the muscular belt occurred in 21.5% and the beltless type in 3.5%. The role of the different patterns of insertion of the conjoint cavernosus muscles in the TA is not known. The belt form, fibrous or fleshy, of cavernosus muscles’ insertion appears to be more efficient in compressing the CCs during erection than the beltless type. Furthermore, the fibrous belt apparently effects a firmer CC compression than the muscular belt. The role during erection, however, of the different patterns of cavernosus muscles insertion into the CCs needs to be studied further.

In conclusion, the TA occurred in three histomorphologic patterns: single, double and triple layers, the most common being the double-layered pattern. The different TA patterns are suggested to affect penile rigidity of various degrees during erection. Furthermore, the 3 types of cavernosus muscles’ insertion into the TA (fibrous, muscular belt or beltless) appear to produce variable degrees of CC compression. However, further studies are required to investigate the role of the different types of TA and cavernosus muscles’ insertion in the mechanism of erection.

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REFERENCES

1. Andersson KE, Wagner G (1995): Physiology of penile erection. Physiol Rev 75:191–236.

2. Bitsch M, Kromann-Andersen B, et al. (1990): The elasticity and the tesile strength of tunica albuginea of the corpora cavernosa. J Urol 143:642–644.

3. Bosch RJ, Bernard F, et al. (1991): Penile detumescence: Characterization of three phases. J Urol 146:867–871.

4. Goldstein AMB, Meehan JP, et al. (1985): The fibrous skeleton of the corpora cavernosa and its probable function in the mechanism of erection. Br J Urol 57:574–577.

5. Hsu GL, Brock G, et al. (1994): Anatomy and strength of the tunica albuginea: Its revelance to penile prothesis extrusion. J Urol 151:1205–1208.

6. Lue TF (1998): Physiology of penile erection and pathophysiology of erectile dysfunction and priapism. In: Campbell’s Urology, 7th edition. Walsh PC, Retik AB, Vaughan ED, Wein AJ, (Eds). Philadelphia: WB Saunders Co, pp 1157–1180.

7. Shirai M, Ishii N, et al. (1978): Hemodynamic mechanism of erection in the human penis. Arch Androl 1:345–349.

8. Tamaki M (1992): Mechanism preventing backflow from the canine corpora cavernosa to arteries in the rigid phase of penile erection. Urol Int 48:64–70.

I really wish I had the figures/images to go with this :(

Great find Gator! I was just thinking I wish I knew where to find the whole thing(: . Where did you get it?

Here’s the abstract/summary for those wanting just a glance:

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Abstract
The tunica albuginea (TA) is the outer covering of the corpora cavernosa (CCs) and corpus spongiosum (CS) of the penile shaft. The different histoanatomical patterns of the TA, as well as the mode of attachment of the ischio-/bulbo-cavernosus muscles (ICM, BCM) to the TA, were studied, aiming at elucidating their role in the mechanism of erection. Twenty-eight cadaveric specimens (18 adults, 10 neonatal deaths) were studied morphologically and histologically after staining with hematoxylin and eosin and Verhoeff-van Gieson stains. The TA consisted in 20 specimens of 2 layers: inner circular and outer longitudinal, in 6 specimens of 3 layers: inner circular, longitudinal and outer circular, and in 2 of only one longitudinal layer. The CS TA was formed of one layer of longitudinal fibers. The mode of cavernosus muscles insertion into the TA revealed 3 patterns. The conjoint BCM and ICM formed a fibrous belt over the CCs in 18 specimens, a muscular belt in 6 and no belt in 4. The functional role of the variations in the TA morphological structure is not exactly known. We hypothesize that the 3-layered TA gives more penile rigidity than the double and single layers. Considering the type of cavernosus muscles insertion into the TA, it appears that the fibrous belt exerts more CC compression than the other 2 types of insertion.

PMID: 16338862 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


It would be sweet if the they had in fact used 280 cadavers as appose to 28 (I know- yeah right). That would effectively give us a good distribution for these various types of tunica arrangements among the male population.

From this however, we see that the 2 layered tunica is the most common followed by the 3 layered tunica with the single layered tunica being the rarest. Does that roughly agree with the ratio of Normal gainers:Hard Gainers:Easy Gainers here at Thunders? Maybe it does. Has a thorough poll been done for gains, anyone?


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".


Last edited by man-of-10 : 10-14-2010 at .

Thanks guys. I found the thread here:

Tunica Differences

As someone else in that thread mentioned, the interesting part:

“The functional role of the variations in the TA morphological structure is not exactly known. We hypothesize that the 3-layered TA gives more penile rigidity than the double and single layers.”

I hope that hypothesis is wrong.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Originally Posted by UFGator
Wow, what a freaking tease man! Telling us what you DIDN’T do but leaving out what you DID or ARE doing :D What’s your damn secret?

He started young so was still growing mostly Lol I know another guy not from this forum who did the same and took extra testosterone tablets (idk the name) when he was younger to help as well.

Originally Posted by UFGator
Wow, what a freaking tease man! Telling us what you DIDN’T do but leaving out what you DID or ARE doing :D What’s your damn secret?


What I DID isn’t so hard to find. I got great gains from Erect Squeezes, Orange Bends, manual clamping (with added manual compression) with light stretching at the beginning of all sessions (up until I reached around 7” BPEL at which point layed off the light stretching). In the last 2 years I successfully incorporated heat from a shower-head, finishing in an expanded state with a cool down (turning shower to cold).

As for now, I am experimenting:leftie: . Early girth results feel promising. I will share in three weeks;) .


Decemeber 2007: 5.8" BPEL x 4.9" MSEG

Current:-------->7.7" BPEL x 5.7" MSEG (7.2" NBPEL)

Current Goal:--->7.6" BPEL X 5.8" MSEG Do or do not, there is no "try".

Originally Posted by persian
Hey somastylo, are you a MOS spy/promoter?

No, I only promote the truth. He has a picture of his 10inch penis.

Where’s the link to his 10” penis?


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Psst.

somastylo, he has Photoshop.

I don’t know you well enough to know what your relationship with the truth is, but Mike’s is tenuous at best.

Search the forums here. Before he ripped this place off (in some instances word for word), he was caught in several out-and-out lies about his size and gains. And he used Photoshopped pictures to back his claims.

He’s a sad little man. Feel free to give him your money.


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

My penis is actually 9” long if my ruler starts at the 3” mark ;)

Originally Posted by fat_cock

I will post them soon. I can not even get hard at all right now, as I all ready tried.

Sorry fat_cock, I wasn’t referring to you in my reply to bohm’s post.


I'm a big fan of 50 Cent, or as we call him in Zimbabwe, four hundred million dollars.

Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
Psst.

somastylo, he has Photoshop.

I don’t know you well enough to know what your relationship with the truth is, but Mike’s is tenuous at best.

Search the forums here. Before he ripped this place off (in some instances word for word), he was caught in several out-and-out lies about his size and gains. And he used Photoshopped pictures to back his claims.

He’s a sad little man. Feel free to give him your money.

Are you serious? But I saw him on a UK tv program, the perfect penis, he was showing how to jelq (he did it with his flaccid penis)

Originally Posted by somastylo

Are you serious? But I saw him on a UK tv program, the perfect penis, he was showing how to jelq (he did it with his flaccid penis)

Use the search, there’s a bunch of threads about him, his Photoshop efforts are mediocre at best.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

I read an article about DLD where the interviewer actually watches him measure his dick at 10 inches.

I don’t know about the photoshopped pics but it must be a conspiracy of all these other people are lying for him too.

Anyway, it’s not like any of this information makes OUR dicks bigger.

Who cares.

Originally Posted by vagabund
I read an article about DLD where the interviewer actually watches him measure his dick at 10 inches.

I don’t know about the photoshopped pics but it must be a conspiracy of all these other people are lying for him too.

Yes, I read that too. And I think it’s bullshit. An unknow reporter says that he saw DLD misuring himself. This prooving nothing. If he claim there is no problem. But if people pretend that we should belive in a gain of 4inches, with a photoshopped pics and a not credible interview then there is a problem.

Some people gain 2 inches and they prove it. DLD has never prooved nothing. And if you watch his videos when he perform jelq you can see that he could’t even achiave a partial erection…10inches of erect lenght….yes,sure

**I truly believe that PE growth is also genetic to some degree.** That is not possible, PE growth is due to stress that causes deformation.

***sigh* As much as these 1.5”+ gains are inspirational, it does seem a far fetch for some of us. ** I don’t see how. I stealth PE, anymore I can only do it 3 to 4 days a week and I still gain, slowly yes, but they still keep coming. I have even hit a 5 month dry spell.

Without an official measurement “because I stealth PE” I would guess myself around 7.25”. With the .25 coming after a 5 month dry spell. Its just simple persistence.

I think the true question & answers are this:

Question: Can you gain 1.5 to 2+ inches with PE?

Answer: Absolutely!

The real question you should be asking yourself is:

Question: Do you have the dedication to do PE until you see 1.5 to 2+ inches?

Answer: No! Not the majority.


Starting Stats: BPEL = 5.875, EG = 4.375 <> Current Stats: BPEL = 7.25, EG = 4.6

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