Time of sets for clamping

You just joined this month.

Are you a newbie to PE?

If so stay the hell away from clamping until you have put some solid time with a hands only manual newbie routine.

For one thing very easy for newbies to injure themselves with devices unless they have a solid foundation in knowing how their cocks respond to PE.

A clamping injury could be a big ugly deal.

For another thing you could limit your growth potential by starting with clamping.

In general, the circulation benefit of shorter sets outweighs the marginal target tissue strain gained from longer sets. And overall time in the clamp (per entire workout) matters more than time per set.

The intensity of the clamp is determined by how much blood is trapped, and how much additional pressurization there is (via squeezing or extra clamps).

The tighter the clamp and the higher the intensity, the shorter the sets should be. The looser the clamp and lower intensity, the more circulation you’ll have, and the sets can be longer.

Xenolith gained by doing something like 5 sets of 3 minutes at high intensity, for a few workouts each spaced a week apart - followed by 3 months off. That’s about 3 hours in the clamp per YEAR. N.B. he did other forms of PE as well during his I-phases.

Then you have guys like Houstonwoods, who have gained by edging in a loose clamp at low intensity for 10-20 minute sets for up to an hour a day, with nearly zero rest days for years on end. Which is hundreds of hours in the clamp per year.

So the full spectrum of workloads, set times, and intensities is represented by various big gainers, and it all works. You just have to find what works specifically for you.

And as has been said, trust that you are gaining on some micro level with every workout that is expanding the target tissues beyond their previous size. And those micro changes will add up to noticeable gains over the timescale of months and years.

I did PE for a full year about three years ago, and did a manual routine for about a month prior to joining. Never had an injury or anything close to it.

I cannot emphasize this enough: no injuries, negative PIs (even when done every day), fatigue (even when I’ve done 6x10 minutes), increased expansion in sets, or gains, erect or flaccid. It’s like I may as well have been masturbating.

All this indicates that clamping is not enough intensity for me. Definitely not at 3x10 minutes. I know this may be hard for many of you to believe, but this is truly the dick of steel that I’m stuck with.

To all newbies reading this, don’t copy me.

BD,

Thanks for your reply. As the resident expert here on gainers’ routines, do you know if those who clamped with more rest days did so out of need (e.g. they would otherwise experience negative PIs)?

I also think it is possible that a certain amount of expansion may just be playing with the elastic range, but never actually pushing enough for deformation. It would make sense to me that fatigue would be an indicator of having reached that point. By analogy, I can’t expect to touch my toes if I only ever bend down halfway in a pike stretch.

I’m new, only been in for a little over a month. I noticed when I first begun that my unit felt fuller after I began a small jelq routine. I could jelq one day, take a shower the next morning, and could tell the blood was pumping by a few jelqs in the shower. Before myself and the wife would get started I’d give it a few tugs and she instantly could tell something was new by how full it felt flaccid. After about 2 weeks I threw in very light clamping sessions. When I say light I mean like one 10 minute session 2 times a week. Just to acclimate myself and learn what worked and what didn’t after I became too aroused to jelq. I would do a ULI and noticed quickly I didn’t get anything from it, but, it caused my erection to subside. So I bought a clamp as a method to learn the ropes of clamping and to help subside the erection. I’m now doing about 3 days a week clamping and only 2, 10 minute sessions each time. One thing however that has helped me, is traction wrapping after I get done with a routine. I bought Walgreens brand Self-Adherent Wrap in 2” x 5 yard stretched roll. Immediately when done with my routine while still erect, I wrap starting just below the head about 3 layers all the way to the base of the shaft. I do it secure enough to not allow the shaft to try and turtle, but enough to still urinate. I learned very quickly after a few tries of how tight to get the wrap. Also, I’m not a fan of underwear, so I learned very quickly that the glands gets really sensitive to the point of irritation if it doesn’t have some sort of covering. So I went and bought some plain baby socks (don’t judge me) and put it over the head. It immediately stopped the irritation I was experiencing from rubbing against my pants when moving around. I’ve gained about an inch of flaccid hang just in 2 weeks of doing this. I haven’t measured for any true gains as I only want to measure every 90 days. Also, I’ve started the bundle stretch this week! It is fantastic to loosen up before jelq sessions or any sessions really. I’ve read and I can tell in the week it is great for the Tunica. It really stretches it out. I do it both ways about a minute each, while I’m in the shower and about 4 sets. So pretty much 4 minutes each way. When I’m done doing that, I have about a 3-4” longer flaccid hang. Blood fills up very quickly when I begin jelqing and the session seems more intense. In the next couple weeks I’m intending to begin EVO oil as a lubricant to pump more blood into the unit. I’m also on the Cum Holy Grail Stack and could instantly tell a difference when I begun that. Like any workout, it’s a member that needs blood pumping through it for maximum result. Supplements like the Cum Stack and EVO oil for lubricant can greatly assist in this area.

Haven’t tried bundled stretches or traction wrapping.

I do find the prospect of prolonged constriction to seem a little dangerous, and possibly ineffective. If the flaccid girth isn’t stretching past erection size, what good is it?

I have a very active and physical job so if anything goes wrong, it would be hard to find a way to discreetly unwrap. My schedule pretty much requires I do my routine right before bed, anyway.

The bundled stretches may come in handy, though. I’m not a big fan of manuals in general since I’m a huge believer in being able to quantify force, but they may be a good part of my warm-up.

I’m also considering getting a vac hanger at some point to do bundled hanging, this way I could quantify the force and target girth without erection.

The wrap isn’t a constriction, if it’s too tight to urinate then it isn’t wrapped properly. The wrap should be just tight enough to stop the penis from turtling. It could be something you experiment with on an off day from work to get used to the feeling and see if it works for you. I get about a week or more out of one wrap before it’s wrinkled enough to warrant throwing away. You could also do it while you sleep at night since you do your PE. The purpose of the wrap is to keep you elongated through the healing process after a workout. So during the night would be a good time for you to wrap it. By wrapping this way, it keeps the tissues stretched while blood cells come in, healing the damaged tissue with new cells and thus making for more permanent results. Bundled stretches are definitely a must in my opinion for girth. I twist it just as much as I can stand, then stretch it outward and downward just a little with an ok grip at the glands. You don’t have to pull the stretch much. Because you’ve stretched so much in the twist. I just pull to where I only slightly feel a stretch. When you let go, you can tell instantly that it works. Then when you begin to jelq, the blood fills faster, in my opinion. From what I read on the bundled stretch, the longer you hold, the better. Some guys will hold it for 4 minutes or so. My hands get tired. So I do about a minute, but, I twist it both directions and do it 4 times to try and maximize the stretch of both sides. I’m going to try to work on holding it longer to maximize more. But, I don’t want to have an injury while stretching.

How many degrees can you turn in your bundled stretches?

Simply said, no wraps or PE while asleep.

^Agreed.

About 720 degrees is what was discussed. I get about 1080 with a little less pull.

I’ve seen that stated many times. But, what is the reasoning? I’ve never done it, just curious what the reasoning is. If I wrap for 6 hours during the day, then what’s the difference in 6 hours while I sleep?

If you wrap while awake then tingling, numbness, etc can be tended to as needed. If you’re asleep, you might just wake up with a broken dick.

You might be fine 9 times out of 10 or even 99 times out of 100, but the risk of having no control over the safety of a PE technique while asleep is not worth it.

I tried the bundled stretches tonight, can’t say I’m a fan. Really killed my circulation before the jelqing, and it feels questionable as to how much of an effective lateral stretch I’m getting.

If I use them again, it’ll be with edging in between them and the jelqs, or doing them after the jelqs rather than before. Also, I’d prefer to do them with a vac hanger.

In my opinion, the only “must-have” is expansion. Doesn’t matter what exercises you do, as long as you can get a good stretch from them.

2xthevol,

Sorry to respond to a PM publicly, but I think it’s good for the masses of dick pullers to read this. The mods are obligated to advise people of certain risks, but I’ve been assured that an open discussion of high intensity methods is welcome on the forums.

The “wait a year” or several months to see if a technique is working does have its basis in reality. The advice is repeated a lot because few people have the patience to do 6 months or a year of work for a result.

The vast majority of post-newbie gains rates are in the range of 1-2 cubic inches per year for guys who are pursuing this with full dedication. So it can be several months between undeniable measured gains. It is worth trying for higher gains rates, but many have tried many things, and very few have gotten the transformational gains rates that Bib experienced.

One way you can make sure what you’re doing is working is to take measurements under stress. So for clamping, you would track your max clamped length and girth, and go for new maxes. Length in the pump is another easy way. And when I was hanging, I would take BPFSL measurements immediately after sets to check for gains. Gains under stress or immediately after stress are reliable predictive indicators that eventually lead to normal erect gains.

You understand the active phase of PE very well. Almost all PE techniques work, provided they cross the elastic threshold as you mentioned. The biophysical mechanism of gains is a repair response to doing enough damage to the target tissues. The growth is assured once the work is done. A great model of understanding for the tissue repair and growth mechanism is the IPR model of wound healing.

While some guys like Bib were able to get their gains with no rest days, many others needed the rest, some for EQ reasons, and some because it was actually physically necessary for their gains. Once you understand the resting phase of PE and how the body repairs and grows, then you’ll have all the knowledge you need. Successful PE is doing enough damage, and getting enough rest. With the subjective interpretation of “enough” being different for everyone, and different at various stages of one’s journey.

Guys who gained with zero rest days likely mastered staying just past the elastic range, so that their body could continuously repair small amounts of damage each night.

Exploring higher intensities is a good idea for those who can do it responsibly - gradually and cautiously testing every new level of intensity. True long term penis injury from PE basically does not happen to guys with healthy dicks. Sure there’s stuff that can cause negative PI’s for a few days. Burst blood vessels is common. But actual fibrosis, scar tissue, permanent nerve damage - there is no medical basis for these things happening from squeezing and pulling on the penis within the range of standard PE practices. Extreme erect bending would be the only thing I can think of that would have any potential for real injury. In my opinion, most of the long term injuries that are attributed to PE are from pre-existing conditions or gross misapplication of forces. Pre-existing Peyronie’s probably being the most common culprit.

I spent several years testing the upper limits of intensity. Somewhere along the way I’ve learned to “feel” the elastic threshold and I no longer need to push the limits so far anymore. I don’t go as intense as I used to, although certainly still more intense than most. Luckily there is a huge range between going beyond elastic and the point at which real injury or macro-level structural failure occurs. It’s almost impossible to miss the correct range of intensity once you can identify it.

I can’t pinpoint the exact reasons for it, but so many guys have gained girth from moderate intensities while maximizing their EQ, that there must be something to it. Keeping the penis healthy, with lots of bloodflow, frequent erections, good EQ, rest days - these things do seem to matter for girth gains. Staying above the elastic range, and then maximizing time - that seems to be an effective approach. Then again, Xeno gained by going way above the elastic range, and minimizing time. There’s a case of successful parameters everywhere, and no definitive answers of the fastest way to gain.

Well I’ve gotten on to blathering. As you said, at the end of the day, we’re not doctors and this is all anecdotal. So do explore higher intensities - it ensures you’re doing enough damage and the gains are inevitable at that point. But do it incrementally. Conditioning is real, and sudden leaps in intensity can set you back a few days or a week and take you out of the game for a while.Intense PE can have some negative PI’s with it - but I think Bib’s old advice applies very well - if you can still get an erection and have sex afterward, you’re OK. That said, rest if you need to. Rest will heal any problems. You will heal and grow and gain while you’re resting.

The vets know that time and effort = gains. And that the gains rate is realistically capped around 1-2 cubic inches per year. And that most any technique that crosses the elastic threshold will work. So that’s why they advise taking it easy, not letting it take over a healthy sex life and a healthy penis. Whether we go about this hobby with full power and incredible zeal, or at a calculated relaxed and consistent pace - the end result is about the same.