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This Works (Dynamic Stretching)

Using a modified (reversed) aquarium pump to do this dynamic stretching. Works great to pump and quickly release using an inline “T” making it possible to cycle dozens of times per minute. Love it. Banged the wife today and EQ was improved after having started this only a few days ago. Fresh blood repetitiously expanding the tissues seems to do some great things for me & my ding dong.


Start: April 2012 BPEL 5¼" x EG 4¾"----> July 2012 BPEL 5¾" x EG 4⅞"

First goal: 6"x5"

Long Term Goal: 8"x5¾"

“… dozens of times per minute.” How long is 1 complete cycle (1 cycle = time finger on tee + time finger off tee) for you? What model is your aquarium pump? I ask because using my Tetra 30-60 it takes about 5 seconds to reach max suction then about 5 seconds to release, so a minimum of about 10 seconds per cycle. So, the most I can get is 6 cycles per minute.

I agree this method is beneficial to EQ.

Originally Posted by donttazemebro
Using a modified (reversed) aquarium pump to do this dynamic stretching. Works great to pump and quickly release using an inline “T” making it possible to cycle dozens of times per minute. Love it. Banged the wife today and EQ was improved after having started this only a few days ago. Fresh blood repetitiously expanding the tissues seems to do some great things for me & my ding dong.

What pump are you using? I’ve got an aquarium pump, but only get about -5hg from it, which I don’t think is enough for this kind of pumping. I want something that can give me a pressure of around 10hg.

A little update here, based on the debate a few weeks ago and all the talk we had about using lower pressure I tried an experiment. Now that I have a gauge I can have a bit of control over the situation.

Well I gave just using 10hg a try for the entire 150 reps but wasn’t real happy with it. I kind like the feeling of a little higher so I started alternating between 10hg and 15hg every other one. I guess that fits in with the ‘Work Those Ligs’ post. Anyway I feel I am having better results with it. It’s something I myself have never tried before but this way I don’t overdo it yet get that higher vacuum feeling as well.

Additionally I have been doing 1 on / 1 off as of late. It’s just too much doing 2/1 anymore. Maybe if I was younger… That said, my schedule forced me to take 2 days off recently and man was there a huge improvement! My wife said it was way meatier. That was after 2 days off!!!

Once again proving that rest is very important ;-)

Originally Posted by HomerJS
A little update here, based on the debate a few weeks ago and all the talk we had about using lower pressure I tried an experiment. Now that I have a gauge I can have a bit of control over the situation.

Well I gave just using 10hg a try for the entire 150 reps but wasn’t real happy with it. I kind like the feeling of a little higher so I started alternating between 10hg and 15hg every other one. I guess that fits in with the ‘Work Those Ligs’ post. Anyway I feel I am having better results with it. It’s something I myself have never tried before but this way I don’t overdo it yet get that higher vacuum feeling as well.

Additionally I have been doing 1 on / 1 off as of late. It’s just too much doing 2/1 anymore. Maybe if I was younger… That said, my schedule forced me to take 2 days off recently and man was there a huge improvement! My wife said it was way meatier. That was after 2 days off!!!

Once again proving that rest is very important ;-)

What angle do you hold your cylinder at when you’re doing this ? have you tried different angles to maximize the lig stretch ?

After working with this method, I’ve been thinking…perhaps a mechanism of growth is causing the cells to swell, which triggers growth, very much like creatine causing the muscle cells to hold more water, which stimulates growth. That coupled with the 3% stretch you were talking about Cap, perhaps those are the two main mechanisms of growth for this pumping method.

IF that is the case, then perhaps a heavy flaccid, with minimal or no edema in the skin is the ideal target, with that indicating the cells have taken on increased fluid. I also noticed that there is increased heat in my penis throughout the day, perhaps slight inflammation. I have an IR thermometer which is ideal for measuring temp on the skin. I am going to start tracking the temperature of my penis and see if there is some correlation between temperature and gains. PERHAPS an indication of being in the growth zone is heavy flaccid, slightly elevated temp and great EQ. All pure speculation at this point, but I thought I would run it past you guys so you can report back if you notice any of these indicators.

Still trying to decide if a shorter daily routine is better than the taking of days off. According to a lot of clampers that got great results, they felt daily was critical, for a minimum of 2 weeks to see gains. However, if you over do the daily and drop your EQ, you will go backwards. Perhaps the shortest routine that gives you the heavy expanded flaccid, and do it daily or maybe even multiple times daily. Lots of interesting questions and experiments to run here guys!

Right now, I am experimenting with the daily routine, and will give it a couple weeks, then try the 1on 1 off or 1 on 2 off.

This might be somewhat relevant to this discussion.

In order to deform, and then reform a ligament into a more desireable length and form, the applied “constant” load must reach over 40% of that particular ligament’s “ultimate load”. A ligament’s ultimate load is defined as “the final load reached by a structure before failure”. (5,6) So, the force needed to create new ligamentous form is well below the safety limit for loading that ligament, but must be high enough to stretch the ligament such that it only undergoes a partial rebound towards its original length and shape.
Connective tissue- FIRST “THREAD OF THE YEAR”

The tunica albuginea consists of layers of collagen which can accommodate a considerable degree of intracavernosal pressure prior to rupture. To function effectively, these fascial layers must provide the penis with a wall container capable of withstanding a high degree of rigidity and axial strength when erect, yet be supple when flaccid. The tunica must be able to elongate symmetrically and increase in girth with tumescence, assuring a straight erection. The tensile strength of the tunica is approximately 1200 - 1500 mmHg making this fascia one of the most strong in the body. Approximately 5% of the tunica is elastin which enables the penis to develop elongation. The average volume increase of the erect penis from the flaccid volume is 3-fold with a range from 1.7 - 5 fold. The mechanical properties of the tunica which allow for maximum volume changes of the erect penis are called tunica dispensability. Regions of the tunica with focal poor dispensability cause the erect penis to bend. This focal tunical abnormality in dispensability
is called Peyronie’s disease.
Stretching the Tunica

1200-1500mm hg is 47-60”hg

40% of that is 18-24”hg !

Originally Posted by capernicus1

This might be somewhat relevant to this discussion.

In order to deform, and then reform a ligament into a more desireable length and form, the applied “constant” load must reach over 40% of that particular ligament’s “ultimate load”. A ligament’s ultimate load is defined as “the final load reached by a structure before failure”. (5,6) So, the force needed to create new ligamentous form is well below the safety limit for loading that ligament, but must be high enough to stretch the ligament such that it only undergoes a partial rebound towards its original length and shape.

Connective tissue- FIRST “THREAD OF THE YEAR”

The tunica albuginea consists of layers of collagen which can accommodate a considerable degree of intracavernosal pressure prior to rupture. To function effectively, these fascial layers must provide the penis with a wall container capable of withstanding a high degree of rigidity and axial strength when erect, yet be supple when flaccid. The tunica must be able to elongate symmetrically and increase in girth with tumescence, assuring a straight erection. The tensile strength of the tunica is approximately 1200 - 1500 mmHg making this fascia one of the most strong in the body. Approximately 5% of the tunica is elastin which enables the penis to develop elongation. The average volume increase of the erect penis from the flaccid volume is 3-fold with a range from 1.7 - 5 fold. The mechanical properties of the tunica which allow for maximum volume changes of the erect penis are called tunica dispensability. Regions of the tunica with focal poor dispensability cause the erect penis to bend. This focal tunical abnormality in dispensability

is called Peyronie’s disease.

Stretching the Tunica

1200-1500mm hg is 47-60”hg

40% of that is 18-24”hg !

We have to remember that the Tunica Albuginea is a tendon-like structure in that it is primarily composed of collagen (about 30% of the human body is actually collagen!), but it is not a tendon per se, and its function is quite different. A tendon does not have the degree of extensibility that the tunica has; in fact a tendon in an extremity - which is the most often studied in tests - may be up to 99% collagen, with a negligible amount of elastin, so its characteristics under ultimate load or a percentage thereof may be very different to tunica with its much higher elastin content.

It is also absolutely vital to remember that the penis is not made up entirely of the tunica! Although the tunica is structurally very strong in multiple planes, the amount of load/strain that can safely be placed on the blood vessels, urethra etc. through a method like pumping or clamping is not of the same magnitude, without incurring damage.

To attempt to create lengthening by deformation using very high pressures (positive or negative, i.e. high-stress/load clamping or pumping) is alarmingly dangerous, and is a risk not worth taking, and may not even be feasible in a tissue with a high elastin content.

Using lower (but still enough to create adaptive challenge) stress for longer periods, causing creep (or potentially hyperplasia) is a more sensible aim.


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I agree, thats kind of why I posted it !

I would like to know anyway where they got the 40% of ultimate load figure.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Thanks!

Are you continuing to gain in length or has it stopped?

I remember guys making their own programmable vacuum pumps, some real handy guys! Anyway, they talked about buying used vacuum pumps from refrigerators on Ebay fairly cheap. For us less technically proficient guys, we could just hook it up to the cylinder, with a splitter in the line to a second air line we could hold in our hands and just put your thumb over. You could let the pump pull the vacuum to your comfort level, then just release your thumb which would drop the vacuum way down.

I was doing that with my converted fish pump, (there is a thread on it, diy electric pump) and it works great, but it maxs out at 5 in hg. Sure makes it a ton easier than pumping up 150 times!

Anyone remember what that thread was that talked about which pump to buy?

ps my EQ was fair last nite after my high vac session. I will take today off, note EQ tonite, and then do another session tomorrow.

Couldn’t you just try a bigger fish pump? I’m totally digging my Whisper 30-60 setup. Using an old 2x8 cylinder, silicone tubing from petsmart, and using a “T” inline (between cylinder & the pump), grapeseed oil as lube, and doing the thumb technique. I’ve gotten the hang of pumping up or down as slow or fast as I want dozens of times per minute even. Real easy to use and if I ever need more vacuum I’m just going to try a bigger Whisper or the like. Total cost (using an old cylinder I already had) was less than $40.


Start: April 2012 BPEL 5¼" x EG 4¾"----> July 2012 BPEL 5¾" x EG 4⅞"

First goal: 6"x5"

Long Term Goal: 8"x5¾"

Originally Posted by firegoat

It is also absolutely vital to remember that the penis is not made up entirely of the tunica! Although the tunica is structurally very strong in multiple planes, the amount of load/strain that can safely be placed on the blood vessels, urethra etc. through a method like pumping or clamping is not of the same magnitude, without incurring damage.


I totally agree.


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Originally Posted by donttazemebro

Couldn’t you just try a bigger fish pump? I’m totally digging my Whisper 30-60 setup. Using an old 2x8 cylinder, silicone tubing from petsmart, and using a “T” inline (between cylinder & the pump), grapeseed oil as lube, and doing the thumb technique. I’ve gotten the hang of pumping up or down as slow or fast as I want dozens of times per minute even. Real easy to use and if I ever need more vacuum I’m just going to try a bigger Whisper or the like. Total cost (using an old cylinder I already had) was less than $40.

How are you reversing the pump to suck instead of pump?


I have achieved my short term goals 7 x 6++ 17.78cm bpelx 15.2cm mseg 17.1cm beg...

long term goal 8 x current girth

Let me just reiterate that I have at no point suggested that anyone should try pumping at high pressures in fact I’ve warned people not to several times in this thread.

Having said that I’m taking the OPs claims at face value and trying to work out why what he’s doing is working.

The figures I gave earlier of 18-24”hg while hypothetical are not far removed from the 15”hg HomerJs says he’s been using and the 21”hg raptor6 says he goes to.

Lets keep working on this.

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