the "what doesn't work" thread

I thought it might be a good idea to discuss some things that people have learned don’t work for PE. There are a lot of threads about what you are supposed to do, but to highlight what people have learned doesn’t work might help people reach that point sooner, saving them time and disappointment.

I’ll start by mentioning a couple things i learned don’t work:

1. “Piss Pulls”

Rather, that urge to pull and stretch your dick intensely whenever u want because you aren’t happy with you flaccid. I’ve been doing this for years, and i’ve come to realize that the only effect is tougher tissue that is harder to stretch during proper exercises, rougher glans surface due to gripping, and possibly some loss of sensitivity. Stretching to forcefully does not result in a longer penis. Realize that you must coax growth slowly and that thinking your penis is going to extend and stay that way because you angrily yanked on it for 10 seconds 10 times a day just doesn’t work.

So i think people should resist the urge to do forceful stretching without proper warm up, which brings me to the next point.

2. Skipping warm up.

I think this is the big one a lot of newbies do a lot, even though the pros stress how important it is. Some people like myself like to take shortcuts and just have to figure things out the hard way sometimes. Underestimating the value of warmup will only lead to very slow progress. Warm up done properly will increase elasticity, increase blood flow, and increase the remodelling capacity of the cell-collagen network.

I can’t think of any more at the moment but i know i will think of more soon. Please post some things that you’ve learned to avoid so that others don’t waste their time doing ineffective and potentially harmful things. This includes any tweaks to your methods, any overall methods that haven’t worked, or any other type of epiphanies that you have had that led to your success. Thanks.

Anything and everything having to do with the LOT theory. I am still surprised that we get threads on it every now and then.

First of all, there is no such thing as LOT theory. LOT is simply a test that Bib devised to find how much potential a person has for gains from ligament stretches and inner penis issues. Currently, Bib uses a combination of the “LOT, mirror, and palpation” tests. Usually the results are congruent, which indicates something. I have never used the LOT test (not theory, test) as I found it unnecessary given the simple mirror and palpation tests that I performed.

What seems to have occurred is that Bib left the forums and further developed his hanging methodology and the forums are only reflecting on his past ideas. His current general working method for hanging is superb, I do not thing it can be improved on without better technology (physically, to hang). Monty’s bungee chord idea is an example of an improvement, another may be the vacuum ADS.

Very good idea for a thread, humpty_dumpty.

1. I’m not sure if this is a misconception, but the “never let it turtle” mentality does not produce BPEL gains. BPEL gains cannot be achieved without a full extension or stretch of at least some portion of the tunica or inner structures, so simply keeping it from “turtling” by keeping it in a longer than normal flaccid state is useless in terms of real length gains. This is why I believe so many ADS are useless. The useful ADS must provide some full stretch to some portion of the tunica or internal structures, keeping it from turtling is not enough.

This is doubly useless for girth gains, as many individual trials have shown (sparkyx’s light clamping experiment, cock rings, etc.). EG girth gains occur by holding the penis at or past it’s normal erect girth by blood engorgement.

I think Big Girtha crafted this motto because of his love for flaccid hang and it was misunderstood by some members, though I am not sure about that. For members such as me, who are interested exclusively in erect gains, this motto/approach is useless.

2. I have more to add, but I might add them later as the thread moves along.

This thread should be excellent, although I fear some argument will occur. Hopefully it can be civil and constructive :D .

Thanks LV,

About the “never let it turtle” theory: what you say makes sense in that an ADS that is not applying above normal stretch won’t produce erect gains, but i do think there is some validity in the idea that if you do manual stretches or hanging, an ADS could promote healing that results in growth and not just tissue repair. An ADS would lower the density of the tissue and cells per area by keeping the tissue stretched. During the healing process, cells might think that they need to produce more tissue than they otherwise would due to the greater gaps in the collagen fibers and greater distance between cells. This is just speculation, but i do think that people forget the importance of the recovery phase, which is what the ADS should be aiding in.

I have not tested this although i hope to one day. It would be interesting to hear from people who have applied the ADS to their manual stretching/hanging routine on how it affected their results.

I don’t work with any medical/biological theories in trying to apply them to PE, because of a history of failed attempts to do so. Going off limited qualitative empirical data is usually much more productive, I think.

People who used ADS that do not cause full stretch/expansion in any single portion of the tunica usually report either no gains from the ADS’s assistance or not being sure. Either way, the result is negligible, unfortunately. The same cannot be aid for ADS that fully extend the tunica.

Co-sign.

Manual stretching never really worked for me, I just don’t have hours a day where I can dedicate use of my hands to just pulling my dick. What has worked for me was hanging, extenders, ADS, jelqing, squeeze’s, clamping. But you need to wear an extender or hang for long periods of time to get good gains. As far as lot goes I do believe the higher your lot the more chance of good hanging gains you have, if you have a low lot you’re better off with another form of PE not to say you couldn’t gain but it will be harder. I had a middle of the rode lot to start and did make some good gains but when my lot became lower gains from hanging stopped.

So LV, are you saying the vac ADS is pulling on your tunica and stretching it nicely?

I think the VADS is the best ADS ever produced. I think the only way it could be made better would be for monkeybar (hint) to replicate the chest strap that was once sold on Ebay (much more comfortable), as well as for Monty/monkeybar to join together and add a PE weights attachment for the VADS which can be used at home (like a cage to hold weights at the end instead of attaching it to a strap - ADS swinging, in a way).

What doesn’t work, in my experiences:

1. inconsistency
2. impatience
3. shitty attitude
4. improper technique

The “less is more” approach never worked for me. I should have realized there’s no shortcuts or magic pills in PE.

I’m pretty sure that applies to everything in life, though.

This is on the money, I was thinking that everything I did do, clamping, jelqing, pumping, bending had shitty results when I was inconsistent and negative about PE. No doubt, I always gained a 1/16 of an inch here and there despite being a little inconsistent for me at least but the real fast big gains came with consistency and this attitude where I knew that I was going to reach my goals instead of hoping to reach them. For me, when I jelqed alone I noticed very little girth gains but when I started squeezing and clamping I finally started to realize that PE really does work after all. It is important, to reach that seeing is believing point. For me I always believed PE worked for the most part. I just didn’t know if it would work for me I guess. One thing I did, if it means anything, I always neglected negative threads for the most part and just read the success stories.

Something that is helping me tremendously at the moment is edging. Most of my sessions used to end with edging which led to ejaculation, which is another thing that doesn’t work for me, but now I am better able to control my ability to refrain.

This gives me a sense of optimism about PE that I don’t remember ever feeling.

Also the hot towel I use throughout the session helps me visualize growth and faster repair.

I know this may sound unusual, but thinking of all the girls I could have banged in the past, but didn’t, is a great motivator for me.

Inconsistency is something that gets me though.

That’s a good point. I just wasn’t able to determine from the empirical data whether the ADS to prevent turtling worked or not due to a lot of mixed reviews. Although i think you may be right that most people report no gains or uncertain. I’m really considering getting the vac ADS very soon. I like how it can be used for hanging too. I’m just getting frustrated with the lack of results from manual stretching. It’s been nearly year of only doing manual exercises (inconsistently albeit) and i’ve only gained probably 1/3 inch in bpel and 1/8 in meg.