Some questions on Expansion

Hey all!

Having searched a bit on Thunders Place, it seems like a lot of topics regarding expansion are with clamping and pumping.
However, I see it being brought in regards to jelqing as something to identify.

To clarify, is expansion when the penis’s girth (or perhaps length, as well) increases during the exercise beyond its maximum?
If this is the case, I don’t think I’ve seen it yet. It sometimes looks fatter, but only because the head hadn’t engorged to its fullest at the same time as the shaft.
I warm up 5-6 mins with IR Lamp and wet jelq for 10 mins, C-Grip and OK grip. 5-7 second strokes.
Erection level: 40%-75% or so.

Not sure what I’m doing wrong. Does one maybe have to be consistent enough with strokes and avoid masturbating in between? (I sometimes do this to get erection back up)
Or is expansion only really applicable in devices?

Thanks!

Hi Darkengine

I think there is a common ground to expansion through jelqing or pumping/clamping - and there are differences.

Common is to all 3 exercises to create growth through expansion creating micro-fissures in the tunica.

Differences are the way the expansion gets created. Pumping creates stress from outside and the expansion is immediately visible. The stress is static (as long as you stay at same vacuum level) and acts, depending on tube diameter, on the entire penis. Clamping is the opposite way, the stress is created by over-pressure inside the tunica. Clamping is a static way too, as the pressure is created and held by the clamps. For this reason, the expansion is, as in pumping, immediately visible or at least measurable.

Now jelqing is different as it is a dynamic technique. Basically you create a local over-pressure that you move manually like a wave through CC and (a bit less) CS. Therefore, the expansion is only local at the peak of the pressure wave, the tunica stretches and then goes back to it’s former state plus expansion. Because the pressure wave has created micro-fissures in the tunica, it is expanded a little bit and it will grow by creating new cells to fill the fissures. But you do not see the expansion of the girth and length by naked eye - we’re talking micrometers or even smaller for each jelq movement.

That is why expansion with pumping and clamping is immediately noticeable (but not permanent) while with jelqing it is nearly not noticeable as it goes at the same speed your biology allows growth.

I am quite convinced that it is not possible to say that one way of growing (immediately visible vs nearly invisible) is better or faster as all three ways depend on the same basic principle: triggering cell division for repair of micro-fissures. Therefore, it is only your individual constitution deciding which stimulus technique gives you the best and sustainable results.

Oh, and another remark: jelqing works even at lower levels of erection (40-60%) and the risk of injuries from vessel pops is smaller.

I hope this answers your question

Richard65

It does, thanks man!
It’s good to know that Jelqing doesn’t show any distinct changes, then. Something that always bothered me is if my jelqing techniques (amongst other things) were adequate, but I think the bottom line is whether or not growth happens.
You also mention how growth goes at whatever speed the biology allows — how might one come to the conclusion on why growth hasn’t happened after a few months? Presumably this is a difficult question everyone has to ask themselves sooner or later if growths don’t show. Overtraining is the obvious one, but what if it isn’t? How does one discern why, should it not be overtraining?

IIRC, undertraining is the result of improved EQ due to PE and other good PI’s, but no growth. But this seems risky to me, because one might get the wrong idea from that and end up overtraining

The answer of how to find and how to stay in the zone of gains is individual and general at the same time.

Individual as in finding the very best exercise that works, how much and how often to train and so on and so forth. That is a process that starts once you are dome with the Newbie routine AND are no longer gaining from it. I call it systematically researching the individual truth.

General in the sense that the process of how to make your way should be less erratic, more science-way or in short: systematic. I am working on a longer text where I explain this approach and how to use it for your individual PE, but it really is longer so I can’t just give you an abstract here.

Start with the newbie routine and in a couple of weeks look for a thread called something like “a introduction to systematic PE”, there you will find the detailed description.

Thanks again, I’ll bear that in mind.
You mention that individual is a process wherein one is ‘done’ with the Newbie routine — how does one come to be at this point? Wouldn’t that be when one is no longer gaining from it?

Exactly, go with the Newbie routine until it stops with gaining. Until then, you have so much knowledge that you will kbow by yourself what you have to do next.

Honestly, I think the Newbie routine is not only for getting the dick usef to PE training, the main effect is to get the user trained and having developed a PE mindeset. From there on, you make your way on your own or better said on a individual routine.