Some questions, and, hello

Hello there. I’m choosing to come here now instead of the PE gym forums. I have some general questions of PE as I’m pretty skeptical, and the responses I would get on PE gym were from guys who had no proof etc of their enormous claims (one guy claimed 3 inches. The method? “Whatever it took”). I just felt like it was a place trying to sell people on buying the products they advertise rather than a place with trustworthy people imparting knowledge. We all wanna get a more healthy/bigger dick, you’d think this would be the one area where guys wouldn’t lie to each and would wanna help out, without trying to sell you fake products or shady “advice”.

1 - Can my penis actually gain NON EQ size when erect.

So, when I was 17-20 years old I would sometimes measure my penis. I certainly wasn’t a porn star but I was proud nonetheless. I regularly measured 7 inches BPEL and NBPEL. I was very skinny and in shape, and with youth, I really didn’t have much if any fat pad. I think the max I ever measured, keep in mind this is with a raging hard on, what I would consider now probably a 10/10 EQ, maybe 7.1/7.2 inches, the max I ever measured. I only ever measured girth once, as I didn’t have a tape measure, but when I did I measured 6.2 inches. I recently measured again, not with a tape measure but with paper, just a thin stretch of paper, I wrapped it around the thickest part of my penis, and marked it properly, was not trying to be generous. And I really wasn’t as hard as can be, I have really weak erections nowadays. But I still managed 6 inches in girth. Give or take some maybe due to possible error.

My issue is, I can understand EQ gains. If your penis isn’t getting enough blood, or can accommodate more, than yeah, your penis could grow. And maybe if someone had a very severe blood flow issue, and somehow PE solved that, they could “grow” 2 inches or something. But, I’ve already seen probably how hard my penis has ever been, and yeah my penis is thick, but its never gonna be 9 or 10 inches in length, or 8 inches around. The only way I could see my penis getting harder is perhaps a high dose of viagra/cialis, or whatever that thing is that you inject via needle into your dick to force an erection. But everyone has a limit, there’s only so much blood that can go into it before your veins burst. So where does actual size gain beyond EQ come from? It just doesn’t seem to make any sense to me. Is there anyone in good conscience that can rule out just pure EQ gains and say their dick tissue as a whole actually grew?

2 - Temporary gains vs Permanent Gains.

I’ve seen so darn many threads about “cementing your gains” and honestly it all just seems like a crock. A penis pump is obviously completely temporary, your body is never going to force that amount of blood into your penis by itself naturally, so using a penis pump for X amount of minutes is a fake gain, like standing on platform shoes so that your 6 foot tall instead of of 5’10. That’s BS and I’ve never seen any data from people using for example that bathmate have any real results. I think I read a post from a user on PE gym who used only the bath mate for 6 months and there was zero results with the only difference being EQ.

So, what constitutes a REAL gain? I do NOT count EQ gains as real gains. We are talking your penis tissue actually stretching/growing beyond what it already is at its maximum, not your previous lack of enough blood. I’m pretty sure its already been established that the tunica can be neither grown, nor stretched. I think it can be bent/molded, but not grown. Some people who have a curve, I have a curve to the left for example, if I jelqed a certain way for a long enough time, I could straighten it out again. That makes sense and I believe it because my penis used to be straight, the way I masturbated in my youth and over the years, gradually changed the curvature. I just don’t see what can actually grow without surgery.

You can stretch foreskin, and I’m sure that can be permanent. I’ve heard that the flaccid state can increase as well due to stretching of the “limp skin”. But when your penis is hard and full of blood what can actually be “grown” permanently. Like, if your penis is on the ragged edge of exploding because you’ve got so much blood in it, where does it grow from there? If my “max EQ” size is say, 7.2 inches in length, NBPEL, can anyone honestly say, that I can stretch or grow the tissue enough that I could gain 1-2 inches, on the same EQ, NPBEL. Meaning, without jamming a ruler into your pelvis as far as it will go, you’ve actually gained 1-2 inches in size. Seems pretty impossible. Even if the skin somehow did stretch, I’ve read numerous times that people who quit PE for a few years did lose all their gains. Who knows that’s EQ getting worse or their dick skin/general organ returning back to its natural state, I don’t know.

3 - No REAL science backing any of this up.

You would think that the guy who came out with a REAL way of actual penis enlargement, where you don’t need to worry about injuring yourself, or cutting it open and getting scars, or possibly worse complications from surgery such as it never working again.. Well, that person would be very wealthy indeed. If you take some aspirin for a headache, you will notice that your headache starts to lessen. The same can’t be said of PE. Ruling out EQ, there’s no science proving actual penis growth. In fact, most regular doctors, not the ones you find frequenting those shady websites (like that mycoach thing) will tell you its complete and utter crap. But if you tell that to one of these people, they will say “the proof is in my pants that’s all I need to know”. Well, great, god does exist, his name is Vince and he’s currently late paying his rent in our galaxy, I know, for sure, he came to me in my dream, I’ve seen it, trust me, the proof is in my head! Therefore, you should believe me, otherwise your just being negative!

I have a skin condition on a part of my leg called psoriasis. Its a chronic condition that I’ve had since I was a little kid. Its never gone away I’ve always had to deal with it. However, if you look up psoriasis, you’ll see SO many garbage posts about “home remedies” and “cure it from home with X”. Even doctors who obviously know its something people are insecure about and want to cure, selling you their program to “cure” it on their website, using stuff like “leaky gut syndrome”. Look that term up, its not even an acknowledged medical term at all, its just pure trash to try and bait you in so that you’ll buy their stuff. Its for desperate people who are so insecure they are willing to try anything.

That’s what these websites remind me of. Preying on people who are insecure about their size, some have reason to be, others don’t. Just yesterday I jammed a ruler into my pelvis as close to my penis as possible, and measured 18cm/7 inches, with a weak erection, nothing like the raging boners I had when I was 17-20. I’m 27 now btw. I haven’t had one of those in years. The kind you can cut diamonds with, the kind where it doesn’t matter your dick is kinda heavy and fully of blood, its sticking straight up anyways and you could hang a towel from it. I’m still insecure about my size and don’t feel good enough, so go figure. The point is, how much of this is based on facts and evidence and how much is pure BS fed to insecure guys.

4 - Hypothetical, keep an open mind.

This might offend some people, but honestly think about it ok, this is especially for the people who have claimed to gain an inch + from what they originally started at. Lets say I, hypothetically of course, I hired one of the smartest people with the biggest wealth of information, who also claimed to have gained a great deal from PE exercises/products. I pay that person 1 million bucks, and over the next 2 years, he is my coach, every single day, and I follow every exercise he says and use everything he wants me to, to the letter. Lets assume no complications or injuries etc. During this time my first measurement will be taken after using a dick injection, forcing the max amount of blood into my penis, therefore eliminating all EQ gains. A second measurement will be taken, with say cialis or viagra, just as reference. During this time we will also assume my weight doesn’t change, and my fat pad remains the same. The caveat is, if I don’t gain at least 1-2 inches on my NBPEL, after doing the injection to allow the maximum amount of blood possible, you lose the money and you die.

Is anyone THAT confident in PE? Like, it works so good you’d be willing to risk your life over saying actual penis growth is possible through these exercises. I think not. Not even for a great deal of money.

5 - My issues and goals.

All this being said, I’m still interested in getting harder and stronger erections than the ones I have now. I know for certain I have porn and probably masturbation addiction. Most of the time in order to get some kind of erection, I either need to be extremely mentally stimulated, or need to look at more and more extreme pornography. Most of my erections now are 5-6 inches long. Its weird because sometimes even the ones that feel fairly hard, I can tell I’m only maybe 5 inches, max 6. Also, for the last maybe year or 2, I’ve been able to orgasm without having a full erection. Like, sometimes I’ll basically be half flaccid, not even have half a chub, and then at the moment before and during orgasm, blood will flow into my dick, but not much, basically what you’d call a semi, then goes away right away after I’ve finished orgasm. I’d still consider myself as being “soft” during the entire ordeal. The only way around that is if I am turned on mentally a huge amount, or looking at porn that I’m not really proud of.

I’m in the process of losing weight and getting back in shape, I’d like to be back to or close to 7 inches NBPEL. It would be even nicer if I could get actual gains. If I had a REAL goal for PE, it would 21cm/8.2 inches in length, BPEL. Then I could at least see SOMETHING worked, because like I said before, even at my hardest I never measured over 7.2 inches. I’m a nice guy, despite that rather dark hypothetical situation, and yeah I’m skeptical but that’s because I’m smart. I don’t blindly accept that something works just because so and so said it does. I also have an open mind and would LOVE to have my mind changed on the subject, either through extensive scientific proof, or my own.

At the moment, I can’t maintain erections at all, so I don’t even know if I can begin PE exercises. Jelqing requires you to be X % hard, and I’ve tried, I go completely 100% flaccid, which is about 3 inches of wet noodle. I’m usually so focused on trying to do the exercises properly, I can’t focus on something to keep me hard, and my penis is very desensitized, so the jelqing itself isn’t pleasurable, and I honestly haven’t been able to get hard just from touching myself without some sort of mental or visual stimulation for like 10 years. I don’t always need porn to masturbate to, in fact, not at all. I can think of complex scenarios in my head and masturbate to those, I think of the visuals. But isn’t that the exact same thing as porn?

Anyways hope to hear from you guys! Thanks for reading if you got this far :)

Hello there DrlSlittle,

Pretty negative attitude you got there! haha. So let me be uncharacteristically brief in answering your questions (as far as my personal knowledge goes)

1: Yes. I measured regularly when I was 16-21, in amazing shape, 10/10 EQ, and I consistently came up with the exact same measurements; 173 mm length 132 mm girth. Just last night I measured girth again 60 hours after my last PE session (136 mm). March 11th I measured 190mm of BPEL, around 75 hours after my last session. There is not a doubt in my mind that this is not EQ related.

2: I don’t see why the tunica would be unstretchable. Read up on materials science; everything can be stretched (ok ok not carbon fibres but we’re talking organic compounds here, mostly). I consider PE Wolff’s Law for soft tissues instead of bone. You microfracture the tissues and more material gets deposited/worked into the organ subsystem. And you’re correct, the body won’t be applying a negative pressure to suck in more blood, because that’s not how it works. When the veins get constricted to reduce blood flowback and the arteries are open, blood will simply flow in until the penis builds up enough pressure for the blood to return through the veins again. At whatever size that is.

3: We have pretty significant statistical data to back up the claims, probably around the level of a self-examined cohort study or two. Unfortunately since there is no health benefit (unless it’s ED related which I think there are some studies for) and no financial interest from the medical community (we’re not using pills or physical therapy) funding would be hard to come by. I’ve never been sold anything here, just… Just look around and try to find someone selling something.

4: Give me 10 people, extend the time period to say… 4 years and allow me a 70% success rate for 1” length and .3” girth (plus extend the cash prize since it’ll take longer) and yes. Yes, I am that confident after a year of practice. I just wouldn’t put my life on the individual success of a single person (:

5: I recommend going cold turkey on the porn and the caffeine. Your pre-erectile ejaculation is indicative of high orthosympathetic nervous system activity (which becomes active when we are active or stressed) and this is frequently caused by caffeine which stimulates this. Or you’re just stressed (or both!) and you could take up meditating or yoga or some other relaxation technique. Take walks! They’re good for both body and mind. Plus if you’ve been out of shape, work on that.

By the way why wouldn’t EQ gains be real gains? I know what you mean, but currently you have no access to that last ” of dick. U can’t reach it. It’s like having money in a safe but you lost the key. Sure… it’s somewhere… but if you want to buy a loaf of bread (or nail that blonde hottie at the cash register) you’re not going to be using the cash you have in the safe.

I hope that satisfies the front end of your curiosity.

You need to start PE mate. Yesterday.

Try the linera newbie or the newbie.

Well, thanks a lot for the response. I would so much call it negative, just trying to be realistic and examine all the facts. If you gained above your max, that’s great, that gives me a bit of hope. Right now, exercise and stopping porn/masturbation is hard. I didn’t look at any porn yesterday at all, but instagram is really tempting me, is it the same thing? I also caved and fapped this morning, I started out hard but then my insane fantasies went all over, and I came once again while not hard, I think maybe my body or mind is realizing I’m not actually trying to ejaculate because I’m mating, its that feeling and rush of dopamine I’m craving. I feel like absolute garbage, which is good. I’ve also noticed its REALLY hard to stop touching myself. Like, my hand will just always go to my penis, all the time. That has been going on for so many years its ridiculous. Gotta use my willpower lol.

MM is such a weird measurement though, I’ve never seen it used here in Canada. Is there any PE exercises I can do that have no chance of injury, won’t desensitize me anymore, and that I don’t need to be hard for? 21cm/210mm is where I’d wanna be. Harder erections though are the most important.. I’m 27 now so, honest question, is it just age? I’m not 17 anymore, am I probably never going to experience those gravity defying holy shit it hurts because I’m so hard erections again? Once I get in better shape and start going to the gym, and I feel I know enough I’m gonna start steroids, just test at first. I’ve heard from everyone that, while you are ON the cycle, your sex drive is through the damn roof.

Anyways, since you were the only one to respond with any detail, could I maybe PM you with questions sometime, if I have any? Thanks again sir.

Agreed, just keep in mind any exercise that requires ANY prolonged hardness I can’t do. I can maybe maintain an erection for, 30 seconds to a minute. I’m sure if I had an actual female in front of me, I could do it for longer. But as is, nope. Too desensitized.

I’d stay away from any medium that arouses you without your consent and/or out of habit. You don’t have to beat yourself up about it, most of us fall into the same trap. I think I was lucky to not be addicted in the first place despite many years of porn consumption. Call it a challenge and go without porn or sexy pictures or anything that doesn’t involve direct contact with the person in question. Do it for 2 weeks, live off human interaction or your imagination. It’s hard to explain the difference exactly but you’ll notice.

Btw my hand also goes to my penis all the time, but because of the PE in the past year it’s usually just to give it a few good tugs haha.

Hey man, don’t bash on the metric system. You don’t hear me talking about how un-systematic the progression of imperial units is? But yeah I usually add conversion. I guess I forgot because the reply was so long.

I’m 26. Going to be 27 in less than two weeks. Those exploding diamond cutting erections are going to be mine until well after my death and that’s final.

I know nothing of steroids and have only basic knowledge of exercising in general so I won’t comment on that part of your plan.

Manual PE is honestly rather safe. Just start with the newbie routine but don’t ramp it up as fast as they say. START HERE ——-> NEWBIE ROUTINE <——- Important Newbie Info But more importantly read this Brainwashing Techniques . I say this because you have a big dick to begin with (7.2 x 6 is pretty enviable tbh) so you might benefit more from getting a more positive view of your body than you would from getting a larger dick. An inch in length is not going to be the shocking difference you may think it is.

Feel free to browse forum and PM if necessary. I’d also advise to keep the questions shorter, you’ll get more answers. Not everyone is willing to read, contemplate and answer 2-3 pages of questions.

Good luck!

There is way too much time invested, genuine people, and demonatized activity throughout the history of this community for it to be fake.

We all are skeptical about things… but you really got to think about it. Our bodies have adapted throughout all of history. What makes one think that they can’t adjust, OVER TIME, the size of the unit?

Sorry for the tone but you have to try it out. Be safe and enjoy this new world :)

Welcome to Thunder’s.

Yeah to much for a post. Most of your answers could be found with a little research but I’ll address what I can.

1. Check out my progress thread with photographic proof that PE works. You don’t gain over a half inch in length from better EQ. Not to mention my EQ hasn’t increased that much. Plenty of other guys also have definitive proof of gains through PE in their threads.

2. Speaking of EQ. I’m almost 41 and have erections so hard that they wake me up some nights. So age has nothing to do with it. Penis health is what matters.

3. Cut out porn if you want. I see posts around here all the time about porn being blamed for this and that. But I look at porn for 2-3 hours a week, usually while I’m jelqing and edging and it has zero effect on my mental or physical well-being. Some people can handle it, some can’t.

4. Personally the only time I ever cum now is with my wife. I used to masturbate to completion for years though. But let’s face it cumming sucks ass. What I fine great pleasure in doing now is getting to the PONR and not cumming. It feels like an accomplishment of mind over matter which also translates to prolonged intimate time when I’m with my wife of 21 years.

I was a skeptic as well. I grew up with no internet and even now very little scientific research has been done on PE, simply because there’s really no money to be made. Stretching and jelqing cost nothing. In fact I’ve spent less than $75 on PE and that was for 2 IR heat lights and a couple cheap pumps.

But what PE does require is dedication for an extended time. Something most people lack.

You can get results by jelqin even with a 20-30% erection. No need to maintain a full erection. In fact, when jelqing a full erection is very bad when you are newbie or intermediate.

I think this is the key to your problem. A real woman is the test. But not just one encounter, because sex get better in time, after the partners get used to each other. If I were you, this would be my target.

Your penis is very big, trust me. Your only problem is getting it hard. Quit porn. Don’t quit masturbation. And focus on women, but don’t be afraid that you gonna fail. Even if you are gonna fail in the first encounter, try to not make a big problem out of it. Joke about it and treat the fail as a minor incident, which occurs in plenty of situations. Lots of men fail in the first encounter, trust me.

If I were you, I would consider mixing sex with a bit or more alcohol, in the beginning. Alcohol takes away lots of inhibitions and takes you away from your insecurities and place you more in the instinct zone, where you want to be. Many of your problems are related to your high level of intelligence. You need to limit your brain in the process of sex. I am not saying to get drunk, or numb. Just to limit a bit the level of brain implication in sex process. And after few successful encounters, you will get more and more trust in you and in your penis. And this will bring strong erections.

It’s not your unit that need improvement.

You raise a lot of interesting points bro. I’m also very skeptical by nature.

I found the “Elasticity to Plasticity” article to be very helpful in understanding how PE could be possible. There’s a link to the PDF in this post:

Alrdybig - Flaccid stretched length

Yeah too long for me to post in detail a response too, So I to will be brief.
I have been on and off doing PE for less than 8 months, with two breaks so far over three weeks long. I pump more than anything, jelq a little, stretch and sqeeze a bit more. I drink, Smoke, and eat not as well as I should but I’m getting there, in the fullness of time with all of these health damaging issues.And I generally didn’t exercise all that much.
And to answer your question, with the following conditions, I DO the work needed every single day, not just on PE but health of mind body and spirit am I willing to put my life on a single one inch gain…YES
But quite frankly my life is not about obsessing about it. And I have my own plans to make a few million over the next couple of years which will benefit not just me but others on the planet, so I will put my focus on that instead.

I will do PE and enjoy life as I go, not fretting about things and being skeptical, worrying about negativity only creates negativity, it becomes the only thing you see.

Spend a few months here and read with the attitude of success and you will find success by hundreds of people, and they share all of this openly most of the time…

Good luck and welcome.
You can see by my signature how much I have grown in even this short time.
And one more answer. My girth gains are most definitely solid already. ( I say this after a 4 week break from pumping and being too busy the last three weeks to even think about PE ) Haven’t measured length yet this month.

Wow a few million, what are you working on?

Happiness and abundance.

Hey, today, I will actually attempt to try that newbie routine and see what happens. I tried the “JP90” once from the other website, pegym, but jesus, so many exercises and stuff that I was so concerned with making sure I was doing them correctly and hadn’t missed anything, I was 100% flaccid for all of it, that newbie routine consisting only of stretches and jelqs seems a lot more reasonable.

Some of you are right in that, a lot of it is in my head, and due to my current situation etc, having one thing after another not work out or feeling like you can’t even have confidence in the ability to please a woman sucks. Now, I know I can please a woman, even if the inch I’ve seemed to “lose” was gone forever, I’m still pretty thick and I know 6 is plenty enough for the majority of women. My issue is, I always wanna be the best. I got ADHD and I’ve always been a perfectionist and hyper critical of myself, and sometimes that expands to other areas too. For example, imagining myself meeting an amazing beautiful girl that likes me, only for her to say find out I have 6 inches. I’d be average. Is she gonna think “oh great he’s only average” etc. The feeling like she’s always gonna wish I was bigger or fantasize about someone else is a big fear.

Anyways, I’ve had decent erections over the last week or 2, mostly due to looking at porn again (jesus its hard to stop). More extreme fantasies especially if there is a visual involved (like a manga) worked pretty well to get me hard. I measured my penis once recently like I said before when I made the most, and did measure 18cm with the very tip of my dick reaching that. But this time, measuring while I was standing, I think I measured only 6 inches NPBEL and then when I dug it in, only 16.5-17cm BPEL? I was like, wtf, I’m hard enough that my dick is supporting itself, why am I not 7 BPEL? I know for 100% certainty that I used to measure 7-7.2 when I was younger, where is my size going goddammit! I actually felt pretty hard, compared to what I’m usually at. I was also orgasming while erect, but I’d say that was because for the first time I was looking at visual representations of basically having sex with your teacher as a younger lad. If my mind hadn’t been super stimulated it might have been orgasm while semi erect again. Also, my dick has been tingling a fair bit after recent masturbations. I think that’s my body telling me to take a break. I’ve noticed too that my addiction isn’t exactly to porn but masturbation in general. Its an itch, like some people need that food, I gotta jerk that dick and get my orgasm off. I have a very active imagination, I don’t “need” porn, but it helps sometimes. Gonna try and not masturbate today and see how that goes, then tomorrow as well.

Anyways, gonna try that out today. Also I guess I had a few other questions namely about foreskin “restoration”. I’m not circumcised and I have my foreskin intact. My issue is, my foreskin around the tip of my penis. When I was younger, grade 9, I would masturbate WAY too much. Like, even when my foreskin was cracked, super dry, and bleeding, I’d still masturbate. I have the “scars” I guess you can say from that. Its wrinkled looking at the end and a lot rougher in texture than the rest of my dick skin. Was wondering if there’s any way to heal that at all? If someone who’s kinda knowledgeable about that, could take a look at a few pictures or something, I would be really thankful for some honest advice there. Its embarrassing, although a girl hasn’t said anything, it is noticeable and I’m especially scared when I want blow jobs that the girl will be like ew.

Anyways, thanks very much for the kindness you guys have shown me. I hope soon I can take some measurements, and even if they aren’t perfect or the max of what I used to have, that will be my baseline start. Is there a proper way to measure? When I measured the 18cm recently, I was lying on my bed on my back. When I measured the 16.5-17cm a few days ago, I was standing up. Is there a proper way to do it?

In a hurry but here’s this buddy

How to Measure Your Penis