SMALL PENIS can't deal with it anymore

Been Jelqing and stretching for 6 months with no gains. Not ready to give up but what should I do next?

5.25 ” erect
5” girth
2.5 flacid

Starting with newbie routine and was doing 5 x a week about 30 minutes not counting heat before and after. It was suggested after a few months that I should take a week off and start slower. I Have worked back up to the same time except now I do it every other day. My overall penis health is very good so I don’t think I am over doing it but I measure once a month and it’s the same. Looking for opinions from those who have had success and what they would do at this point. Below is exact routine I do now:

5 min warm up using heating pad
10 30 second stretches - down , down left, down right, up, straight out and repeat.
5 min heating pad
20 minutes Jelqing starting from flacid to about 70% erect.
5 min heating pad.

My goals are moderate. I want 6 inch erect, 5.5 girth and any flacid gains would be awesome. I have noticed the appearance of my penis looks more veiny and I have a little curve to the right that I didn’t have before. I have tried Jelqing soft, moderate and with more force at different times.

You could be worse off man, I’m starting at about 5.8 or 5.9 BPEL and only 4” girth, at least your girth is average from what I’ve read, mines 2 deviations below. Good luck in your endeavors though, I only just started this week myself.

Personally I find that for me it doesn’t seem to be how much at one time but more about doing a little bit more often.

I do something daily though not the same things (except hanging), and I do something several times a day.

Spreading it out throughout the day helps me stay fuller and longer allowing me to heal in a longer state.

This is just the way my body seems to respond so keep experimenting until you find what works for you.

Mate you not that unlucky and with a little work and patience you could go a long way

I started with 4.33 erect in 2011 now I am reaching 6.75 erect 5.5 girth ruler sitting on top of my dick right agle.

You may be going at this too aggressively. I have been jelqing and using a Bathmate for about 18 months. I did the 90 day newbie routine and saw some major gains, but I only did it 4x a week, and did not do as many stretches as you do. After 90 days I started using the Bathmate for 20 minutes with a jelqing routine of about 10 minutes beforehand. I use the Bathmate 3x-4x weekly now and I continue to grow in girth but not in length. I think you may be overdoing the stretching. You dick really needs time to heal and grow so I suggest going to a 3x a week routine with less stretching Also consider investing in a Bathmate.. To promote healing, I apply 100% vitamin E oil on after my sessions and keep a warm flax seed sock on my dick for a half hour or more. Keep on PE ing, but ease off a little. Good luck bro.

Wow. Good advice already- keep it coming please. At least I can try different things like less but something everyday or less stretching like suggested.

BTW my girth is 5” at base but definitely smaller as it goes up. I just measured where it was the largest. I have seen amateur porn with even teenagers and only time I saw a smaller penis was Asian (no offense) or the comments made fun of the penis. It looks very small to me!

Any more ideas on what could work better?

You’re not that small. Sounds like you have about 5.75” or 6.0” BPEL and 4.75” MSEG. Don’t compare to porn, you’re basically the exact average size in both dimensions. Bigger is still better, but your size is nothing to get upset over.

Given what you said about your PE history so far, I think you tried the soft way for long enough, and now need to add something besides just stretching and jelqing. You would have seen at least some kind of gain by now if any incarnation of the newbie routine were going to work. You’ve got lots of options to experiment with. More intense manual work, pumping, hanging, extender/ADS, clamping. Do lots of research before you start, work your way into it slowly when you do start, and give any new technique at least a couple months to see if it’s working before switching to something else.

If you have been consistent for six months and aren’t seeing gains try something different. An extender maybe, pumping, hanging. Whatever you try ease into it and see how it goes.

Yea this kind of confuses me as well. You will read about people doing the newbie routine and gaining little or big, then you get guys like Eric and I and we haven’t gained anything. I practically am doing the same routine(Im only doing 15 mins now) and haven’t seen any gains. My penis feel fuller and looks fuller in my hand, but I have had no length gains. I am not doubting pe, just seems kind of weird how one person can do the same thing yet see the complete opposite results. I changed my whole life around just to get a bigger cock. I quit smoking(smoked for 10 years), started working out religiously, been eating healthier, and taking vitamins. I hope things will change in the next few weeks.

After you get done doing the 90 day newbie routine, what do I do after that? Don’t meant to thread jack but i am curious now that this is up. I have till march 4th and Ill be done with the newbie routine. Thanks, and sorry Eric if you feel I thread jacked you.

Eric (and Cookie Tree)

the quest for the “growth zone” is the deep secret of PE. Although considering myself still a Newbie, I may give you some ideas about how to identify the “zone”.

First: keep a detailed record!
And when I mean detailed, I mean VERY detailed. Like: “did 25 jelqs lasting 4 seconds each, OK-overhand grip, hands alternating at each stroke, very light pressure”. Only by doing this, you will be able to identify what is really working and what does not. If you want, I have a huge Excel I could share. But beware, that’s a Swiss precision PE logbook ;-) and you need a few minutes EACH day to fill things in!

Second: plan ahead!
Look at it in an engineering way, so you plan what you’ll do and how you’ll do it. And then do it exactly the way you planned it. If you can’t do it on a planned day, skip the entire training unit or catch up another day, supposed you have enough resting days you can use as buffer zone. But don’t, and I mean ABSOLUTELY don’t switch during a planned sequence of units suddenly to a different exercise or routine type for whatever reasons. Stay extremely consistent within the chosen routine. I planned my gradual step-up to the Newbie routine 3 months ahead, and since the fourth month I am now on a one-month ahead schedule I establish the day I measure.

Third: change only one parameter per modification.
What I mean by this I have to explain by a simple example.

Assume you had a routine of 200 dry jelgs lasting 3 seconds per day, all done with the right hand in a upside OK-grip with intense pressure, 4 times a week, no warm-up or warm-down. Your skin got a bit irritated by the intense dry jelqs, so you want to switch to wet jelqs anyhow. After your monthly measurement, you notice no gains.

At the same time, you read in TP that warming is important and get convinced of a “less is more” post. So you decide to switch for the next month to 5min warm-up, 50 wet jelqs lasting 5 seconds each, executed at low pressure with an overhand OK-grip and alternating hands at each tenth stroke, 5 minutes warm-down, 2 times a week. After 4 weeks, you measure 0.2in more length and 0.1in more girth. Hooray! But: you had modified 8 (!!!) parameters from the previous routine. But you are growing, so you don’t care!

You keep another month and then realize a stall in gains. Your morale is at lowest point! Sure, a plateau is never desirable, but your real struggle is different: you can’t tell what made you grow so much the previous month and you can’t say neither what stopped the growth this month.

That’s what I mean by changing only one parameter per routine modification. My approach is maybe a bit heavy and statistic oriented, but yes I am, beside my history studies, an engineer in my second academic career. I treat PE for myself as a scientific approach, and I know the body is an extremely complex system. And complex systems tend to react to complex changes in unpredictable ways, so keep the changes simple and you may get a better action-reaction correlation. Even this can’t be guaranteed, by the way, so please don’t sue me if it doesn’t work.

Fourth: fix it only if it doesn’t work!
But then really fix it, establish a new routine planning ahead and observe during a new probation time of three months. Routine alternating is the tenor of all recommendations for your situation you get at TP, sure. And they are probably right, especially if coming from or supported by the veterans.

But remember point number 3: change only one parameter at the time per routine modification. And give a new routine more than only a week to hit in, probably a tree month time is appropriated. I am struggling myself with this, it’s just impatience and the will to progress faster. But here comes one of my beloved favorite quotations: patience is a male virtue!

That’s why I recommend only fewer measurements over time, monthly is already short. I guess quarter-years measuring would be optimal, but this gives you only 4 “routine modification windows” per year. Might be too little for most among us.

I hope I gave you some ideas on the methodical approach to “nitpickers PE” - and I hope it helps.

Tanks for all the advice. Please keep it coming. No hijack CT, glad you jumped in.

Two people mention extender as an option. A few questions:

1. I worry that I get it and can’t figure out how to use it. I’m super bad with directions and it’s not like I can ask my neighbor for help.

2. I can’t wear something that would show for 8 hours at work. Can’t sleep with it so is something like 2 hours a day be enough?

Btw pumping I hear is more temporary or only helps as an extra thing you are doing and hanging scares me. I could be wrong though on both of these.

Richard
Thanks for detailed response. Going to definitely start logging what I do and not change more than one think at a time. Knowing my routine has been roughly the same for 2 months , what change would you make at this time.

I should mention that I jelqed about 5 years ago for about 4 months. They were 1second jelqs mostly, close to erect and I didn’t measure since I wasn’t on this side. I feel like I gained a litte in girth, maybe .25 inch in the base.

I believe in PE , I just need to find what works for me.

The idea of hanging scared me for quite some time but since I gave it a try it has dfinitely givin me some quick gains, but its not for everybody.

I strongly suggest getting a couple golf weights. I think this has done more for me than anything else.
They are doughnut shaped wieghts I use to manually stretch all along my shaft. I pull my glan in one direction and the weight in the other.
They are a couple bucks at Sports Academy and Im sure you can get them at most other big sports chains.

Wow great info again Richard! Im going to finish out the newbie routine and start onto something else. Im really thinking about doing really low pressure jelqs and possible getting a bathmate since everyone seems to have one.

I’m aiming to your starting size as a year goal dude. Atm I’m BPEL 5,39 and I was 5.1 three weeks ago.

I wish you great gains !

Hey BeardedDragon, Eric22 has been here for a month and probably is not conditioned to jump into those advanced exercises.
He needs to stay on the Newbie for at least 2 more months.

Hey Eric22, Richards post was awesome. I must say, the quantity of jelqs is not always the best, it is the quality of jelq that are better.
you can do less quality jelqs and see faster results.