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Realistic goals and expectations

Lately you’ve been spouting off an awful lot of data as facts. Like, picking numbers and proportions out of the air and telling people “This is how PE works” so…I want to know where it all is coming from. Where did you get all this newfound insight? I want some.

Originally Posted by HenrikL
Realistacally unless you have erectile dysfunction the realistic goals are something like this:
1st year of PE - 1 inch BPEL
2-4th year of PE - another inch of BPEL
then gains usually stop, you get more if you do the ligament cut surgery but around 2” BPEL if that is the max for most people.

nbpel gains are usually half of BPEL so realistically you are looking at 0,5” nbpel after one year of PE.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

I’d like some of it too because I’ve been at this awhile and last thing I’d do is pull stuff out of my ass as fact. In case some guys don’t get it PE is trial and error on our OWN body’s. Yes it’s about time and some form of tension but we are gonna react differently. That’s about the only thing I’d put down as fact.

Originally Posted by HenrikL
Yes PE definately sucks. The visible gains are very small compared to the effort. It’s because there will be some “false” gains of BPEL from the ligaments stretching allowing the ruler to sink in deeper without any actual gains and a lot of other factors like you will get a “Skinpad” the skin will look a bit strange at the bottom of the shaft and also hide penis making nbpel less. Actually not many people can gain 1 inch of NBPEL, to put thing in perspective a PE legend Kingsnake took several years to go from 8” nbpel to 8.6” nbpel. I wish you the best of luck but if you set an ultimate goal of 1” nbpel it is a lot more realistic and certainly not a bad gain.

The visible gains are small? Not at all. I have increase my Nbpel from a little over 6 to 7.5 inches.

Gains from ligaments are way overated in my opinion. Ligaments gains are for a better flaccid hung but they are not exactly erect gains, they may change the erection angle or the exit point a little. My point is that you cant gain for example 1 inch from ligaments, these big gains are from tunica lengthing.

When i measure my Bpel i press exactly at the same spot, same position, same erection level. I measure with the ruler vertically and horizontally, i try all variations because i dont want to fool myself. I have gained 1.4 inch all pure shaft length, i can see it visually, feel it in my hands and when i am having sex. Different reactions and comments from the girls, different sensations during sex.

Kingsnake’s PE experience is respectable but it does not have some kind of scientific value to use as an example for PE in general. I believe that its possible to gain 3 inches in length, but as TG said it may take 10 years of consistent work. It can also take 6-8 years who knows.


Last edited by Gentlepsychopath : 01-18-2019 at .

Originally Posted by Danny9575

Well, first of all, thank you very much for answering! I really appreciate your feedback!

You probably got it wrong, I don’t have that ‘I want it all and I want it now’ mentality. It’s a slow process and what you mentioned above seems like a right thing to do. One small step at the time, that’s what I had in mind. 0.25 gain is actually awesome!

Now let me answer your questions..

I’m still a virgin and the main and only reason for that is my ‘small’ size. No girl has ever seen it in person, but hundreds have seen pictures of it online. I used to mess around on porn sites, dating apps, chat rooms and stuff like that. Honestly, I’ve learned that my situation is not very good, I feel small. I didn’t really count, but there were like 10 of them who told me my dick was small or something like that. Honestly, that really messed me up mentally. I feel way better since I learned about PE. This is my only hope, literally. If I don’t make any gains, I’ll never have sex! I have confidence for all the other things in life, but not for sex, no way! I want to get as big as possible and if I ever reach my dream size, it will be epic. But even if I could go above that, I just wouldn’t. It’s not even tempting at all.

Women in my country are greedy when it comes to dick, trust me. Also, there are guys here who are already massive, like 9+, and they still want more. We all have our different goals and opinions and that’s totally fine. Please, don’t judge me because of this. I’m a bit of a perfectionist and I believe my dream size would be ideal for me. That’s what I believe and I don’t care what anyone else says.

Once again, thank you very much!

Take some advice from a man who has a smaller dick than you and has satisfied many very beautiful women.

Putting your sex life on hold until you have a bigger dick is a huge mistake. A big dick will not automatically make you an amazing and confident lover.

Take all the pictures of your dick off the Internet now.

Go out in real life and have real conversations with real women. Sexual confidence will come from experience, self acceptance and self knowledge.


He was delighted as it stiffened

And ripped right through his sock

It’s been a good year

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold

Lately you’ve been spouting off an awful lot of data as facts. Like, picking numbers and proportions out of the air and telling people “This is how PE works” so.. I want to know where it all is coming from. Where did you get all this newfound insight? I want some.

You just made my day. I really needed to hear this! His ‘facts’ actually had me worried. Thanks a lot, sir!

Originally Posted by Father Vyvian O’Blivion
Take some advice from a man who has a smaller dick than you and has satisfied many very beautiful women.
Putting your sex life on hold until you have a bigger dick is a huge mistake. A big dick will not automatically make you an amazing and confident lover.
Take all the pictures of your dick off the Internet now.
Go out in real life and have real conversations with real women. Sexual confidence will come from experience, self acceptance and self knowledge.

I echo this your penis is a good length, of all the women i’ve slept with only 1 has complained and that was due to it ending on bad terms tbh.
I was 5 3/4 inches before i sorted my EQ, bpel that is.


Current BPEL - 6.1 Inches

Goal BPEL - 7 1/2 inches

Girth is of no issue at the moment, one goal at a time!

Originally Posted by Father Vyvian O’Blivion

Take some advice from a man who has a smaller dick than you and has satisfied many very beautiful women.

Putting your sex life on hold until you have a bigger dick is a huge mistake. A big dick will not automatically make you an amazing and confident lover.

Take all the pictures of your dick off the Internet now.

Go out in real life and have real conversations with real women. Sexual confidence will come from experience, self acceptance and self knowledge.

Honestly, I believe you and I agree with some of the things you said. But I’ll still wait until I hit 7.5 NBPEL. I appreciate what you’re trying to do here, but please don’t. It’s my life and I know what I’m going to do.

Sure, size is not everything, but it’s the piece of the puzzle that can take a whole experience to a higher level. Anyway, that’s not the topic here.

Thank you and good luck!

Originally Posted by Gentlepsychopath
The visible gains are small? Not at all. I have increase my NBPEL from a little over 6 to 7.5 inches.

Gains from ligaments are way overrated in my opinion. Ligaments gains are for a better flaccid hung but they are not exactly erect gains, they may change the erection angle or the exit point a little. My point is that you can’t gain for example 1 inch from ligaments, these big gains are from tunica lengthening.

When I measure my BPEL I press exactly at the same spot, same position, same erection level. I measure with the ruler vertically and horizontally, I try all variations because I don’t want to fool myself. I have gained 1.4 inch all pure shaft length, I can see it visually, feel it in my hands and when I am having sex. Different reactions and comments from the girls, different sensations during sex.

Kingsnake’s PE experience is respectable but it does not have some kind of scientific value to use as an example for PE in general. I believe that its possible to gain 3 inches in length, but as TG said it may take 10 years of consistent work. It can also take 6-8 years who knows.

Thanks a lot, brother. This was very useful!

Originally Posted by Danny9575

Sure, size is not everything, but it’s the piece of the puzzle that can take a whole experience to a higher level.

You said you are a virgin so you haven’t had the experience at any level.

And what if you never do get to 7.5 nbp?

Go through life sex less?


He was delighted as it stiffened

And ripped right through his sock

It’s been a good year

Really they’re so many factors involved in having great sex. Penis size is just one of many. And too big can be just as bad as too little. My last girlfriend complained about me hitting her cervix in certain positions, primarily her legs on my shoulders which allows for very deep penetration. At that time, I was 6.8 or 6.9 NBPEL and 5.25 EG. I could only imagine what she would have said if I had been at my desired 8.0x6.5! :D Actually I’m not even sure I want those stats anymore. I think those dimensions are more for visual stimulation than actual physical stimulation because every single woman I’ve had sex with has been able to orgasm from intercourse with me at my current size. The optimal size is probably around 7.5 NBPEL and 6.0 EG.

Honestly, I think the biggest factor in whether a woman can orgasm from penetration with a man is the level of attraction she has for him. If her level of attraction is very high, the less penis size will become a factor. Another underrated factor is penis SHAPE. If your dick is curved upward, downward, or is simply just straight will also be a factor in how easily a woman is able to orgasm.

But it’s definitely possible to overdo it and become too large so that it affects your (and hers) overall sexual enjoyment.

Originally Posted by Danny9575
You just made my day. I really needed to hear this! His ‘facts’ actually had me worried. Thanks a lot, sir!

And the other posters who also said what they thought was realistic like start with .25?

To TG and Kingcounty am I wrong saying most guys make an absolute max 2” gains if that, and thats with extreme effort. Reading LG Hanger and several penis enlargement surgeons opinion I think this is correct.

Also what is wrong about believing the following:
1 inch in first year of which 0.5” nbp if that.
Maybe if you are lucky you can gain another inch in the following 2-3 years of which 0.5nbp if that.

But hey look at the big survey on this site instead about avarage gains I believe they are way less than what I believe is maximally possible.

Making up statistics

Originally Posted by HenrikL
And the other posters who also said what they thought was realistic like start with .25?

Using small goals to build confidence in yourself and the system is common. It works for weight loss and long duration training for endurance by starting small and works here. What they said was not to set big goals that don’t look reachable. That a series of small goals adds up to a big goal.

You shit on the concept of his big goal, with no real reason other than your personal opinion on PE. Not cool.

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To TG and Kingcounty am I wrong saying most guys make an absolute max 2” gains if that, and thats with extreme effort.

Short answer, yes you are wrong. Most guys aren’t any one guy. There are guys who make 2 inches in under two years or 2 inches in more than ten years (one poster comes to mind) and how someone’s journey will shake out is ultimately the path of the user to walk. A generalization, especially a negative one, serves no good purpose to the OP or any beginner of PE.

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Reading LG Hanger and several penis enlargement surgeons opinion I think this is correct.

What you think is correct doesn’t make anything fact or you an authority on anyone else’s success.

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Also what is wrong about believing the following:
1 inch in first year of which 0.5” nbp if that.
Maybe if you are lucky you can gain another inch in the following 2-3 years of which 0.5nbp if that.

What is wrong with that? It doesn’t take into account the unique nature of each man’s PE reasoning, their health, weight, starting size and EQ or age. It’s literally some junk you aggregated on your own.

Bearded Dragon aggregated average cubic volume per year gains which bears out much closer to accurate by actually using stats in the database and actually finding the trends between them. It took him quite a long time to do so. His findings indicated that starting size wildly affected raw length and girth gains but that average cubic volume gains vasscilate in a similar fashion. Which translates to wildly different gain patterns as a rule of thumb based on actual numbers.

Please stop peddling junk you made up as fact on threads where newbies are asking for help. Offer advice based on things you’ve done and know about not just opinions and conjecture.

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But hey look at the big survey on this site instead about avarage gains I believe they are way less than what I believe is maximally possible.

Average gains are just that. They have no bearing on what is maximally possible because not everyone will do PE indefinitely.

Originally Posted by HenrikL
I forgot vital information!

This is more or less the real number on penis size:
Less than 5.5” -small
5.7-5.8” - The real avarage
6.05” - start of big 60% of young men are smaller than this size.

Only a small percentage of guys are 7.5” or bigger.
Almost nobody is 8.5” or bigger this is like a tenth of a percent of guys or even less.

All is NBP.

This is horse shit. If you want to extrapolate and cherry pick numbers until you create size ranges and percentiles you like you are literally purporting misinformation. Where are your cited sources for these very specific measurements and numbers?

And if you pick from multiple studies, your information cannot mix because literally you can’t pick the stats you like and exclude the rest. That isn’t how chatting empirical data works.

If you feel this way about penis size, fine. But studies, typically done bone pressed as a medical standard with select exception, do not support these claims and you don’t need to act like they are facts either.

Misinformation and pushing your opinion as fact is toxic. Do not do this.

This is a warning.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.


Last edited by thoughtfulgold : 01-18-2019 at .

Just a random thought, as a person with a decently sized fat pad my non bone pressed measurement is horrible in comparison to my top measured bone pressed measurement

I will have to take my non bone pressed later after work.

That being said NBP erect length seems to favor skinnier dudes does it not?

Sorry if I’m derailing the thread, if so just ignore my comment


Start: 7" BPEL top measure , 5" MEG, Flaccid:1"

Now: 7.5" BPEL top, 5.5" MEG, Flaccid:5"

Goal: 8" BPEL top, 6" MEG, Flaccid: 6"

Originally Posted by Fatpadgains
Just a random thought, as a person with a decently sized fat pad my non bone pressed measurement is horrible in comparison to my top measured bone pressed measurement

I will have to take my non bone pressed later after work.

That being said NBP erect length seems to favor skinnier dudes does it not?

Sorry if I’m derailing the thread, if so just ignore my comment

Your comment is in the spirit of many comments here. Your unique case is why I always speak on bone pressed measurements and consistent work. It’s a metric everyone can track.

Non Bone pressed length is a vanity measurement. But, you can work at it. Know that if you only measure NBP that you risk not counting gains you get if your weight fluctuates upwards.


Now: 9" BPEL x 6.25" MSEG as of 11/10/2019 This is my story, a few progress pics of me here, and all my methods.

Then: 6.25" x 4.37" in 8/2009 Are you new to PE? Here's some advice I wish someone had given me when I first started.

My Extender and forward to 10" and balls enhancement project. There is no "Holy Grail" of Penis Enlargement. Only time and effort works. I'm *10* years in and counting. All you have to do is put the work in and keep the faith.

Originally Posted by thoughtfulgold
Your comment is in the spirit of many comments here. Your unique case is why I always speak on bone pressed measurements and consistent work. It’s a metric everyone can track.

Non Bone pressed length is a vanity measurement. But, you can work at it. Know that if you only measure NBP that you risk not counting gains you get if your weight fluctuates upwards.

Thank you good sir, I thought most penis length studies took bone pressed length into account for this same reasoning.

Thanks again


Start: 7" BPEL top measure , 5" MEG, Flaccid:1"

Now: 7.5" BPEL top, 5.5" MEG, Flaccid:5"

Goal: 8" BPEL top, 6" MEG, Flaccid: 6"

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