I’m tired of defending Static Contraction Training to the Muscel Militia when what I’m trying to focus on is PE, so I’ll try to be brief, yet address as much as possible.
Hobby, everything you believe is total bullshit and you’re an embarrasment to the concept of what a moderator should be.
Does that sound like a nice enough way for a total stranger to initiate a dialog with you? Because that’s pretty much how you came at me.
I only respond with attitude to those who fired off a salvo of it at me first. Go back and read the tone of my initial post and the subsequent responses to those who had unpleasant keyboard manners. See the dynamics of the discourse as it developed. Look at the big picture.
And it’s disgraceful that a Moderator, who by definition is supposed to MODERATE discussion and show some professionalism and reflect positively on the forum’s management would verbally assault a new member who has never uttered a disrespectful word to you and who has only matched the tone others have used with him.
If anything, you should be redirecting the conversation towards more a mutually respectful middleground, instead of verbally scourging me for having an opinion that differs with yours. Hell, you might want to change your focus and look at the tonality of those who’s side you rush to with aid.
Those who acted like asses are treated accordingly. When they stop throwing rocks, I’ll stop shooting bullets.
But if you jump into the fray, don’t get mad if you get your hat handed to you.
Every forum has it’s share of experts in different areas that go around dispensing information with a heavy dose of sarcasm or nastiness, a la Nick Burns, your company’s computer guy.
Don’t be THAT guy, Hobby…
I hardly think that wolfpacking with a loudmouth oaf that instead of disagreeing and intelligently making their case, insults a person’s beliefs in as vulgar a fashion as they can muster, is part of the job description of a Moderator.
Instead of becoming curious about why I believe what I do and enagaging me in dialogue, you lashed out like a petulant child.
Your tone, delivery and level of aggression only serve to prove that you lack tact, civility and the capacity for a proportional response.
“Arrogantly proselytizing from a basis of obvious ignorance isn’t tolerated well here.”
Then don’t violate that sacred axiom yourself.
Show some class. Don’t start none, won’t be none.
Here endeth the lesson.
Now, like you, I am entitled to my opinion, and like you, I have looked into this subject matter and consider myself a reasonably informed source, though I’m sure I can always learn more.
You make a superficially valid point when you say:
“Hypertrophy in the context of weight training is the growth of muscle cells”
The key here being the word “CONTEXT”.
Yes, in the context of weight training, the word hypertrophy is regrettably often misused to describe muscle growth. But this is deceptive as traditionally, the word hypertrophy relates to ABNORMAL growth processes. Not the body’s normal adaptive response.
Abnormal… Such as in “prostatic hypertrophy” - an enlarged prostate.
Now, no man that I know of “works out his prostate” to make it bigger, so using a word that means an abnormal enlargement to describe what is a natural and normal body process is counter intuitive and a poor solipsism at best.
Muscular hypertrophy and tissue/bone hypertrophy are totally different processes.
So if you’re going go George Carlin on me about the use of language and specific words, let’s change the phrasing so that both our aesthetic tastes are sated.
DISTENTION happens as a result of the body giving in to external forces and accomodating them via shape modification. Like a reed bending in the wind. Skull reshaping, neck rings, earlobe stretching, plate-in-the-lip stretching, Japanese footbinding and PE are some examples.
MUSCLE GROWTH is a reactive AND proactive response by the CNS. It reacts to external force by arming itself with the necessary construct to countermand that force. As in the CNS saying to itself, “Hmm.. I’m not strong enough to lift that, I guess I better make those muscles bigger so they become stronger and can get the job done.”
The CNS does not come into play in DISTENTION. When you do yoga or pre-weight lifting stretching, etc; and your muscles become more limber and flexible, does that lead to them GROWING IN SIZE AND STRENGTH as well? Your theory of hypertrophy would seem to say so.
And I have a question for you:
Both you and Red say that strength increases are NOT the result of MUSCULAR GROWTH, but rather some alakazoola magicaboola bippety boppety boo trick that the CNS pulls on your muscles, rendering the heretofore totally unchanged muscle now mystically capable of performing feats it couldn’t just some time ago, using the exact same quantity and density of muscle tissue. Like Spiderman.
So you’re saying that the CNS is basically a volume knob which can be used to suddenly turn up the volume of the strength level of our muscles.
If that’s so, then muscle size is not responsible for real strength. And by that logic, muscles shouldn’t grow in size in response to lifting weights. Our muscular “volume” should just continue to be turned up, but size should never increase.
So which is it?
Do our muscles grow in size because larger, thicker muscles equal more strength and the CNS governs that growth process?
Or does the constant PUMPING and SQUEEZING of our muscles when performing sets and reps in a peak contracted state and the subsequent long term distention (and nasty looking overvascularity) stretch our muscle tissues liek a runenr band, while the CNS turns up the magic volume knob?
Please enlighten this poor, intellectual indigent .
At least that what it seemed like you guys were saying to me. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Now, I was under the impression from what I’ve read and heard that a muscle’s strength lies in it’s crossectional thickness. The bigger and thicker and more densely packed a group of fibers are, the stronger the cable or rope. How is it possible to add no more cables, and not thicken the rope, yet make it suddenly capable of enduring more weight? Sounds like magical thinking to me…
This is the point I raised when addressing Necro’s salty post in regards to what I am now calling Muscular Distention. I assert that distention does NOT contribute any additional strength. Muscular GROWTH does.
It’s true that cellular division doesn’t happen in the case of muscles, only thickening and enlargement of the fibers via protein synthesis and a few other complicated processes. But this is not hypertrophy of the muscular distention flavor. This is muscular growth.
To say that muscle size doesn’t correlate to strength is to negate the obvious way the body works and the way nature works. if those muscels weren’t so huge on a horse, it wouldn’t gallop at the speed it does. Likewise, a elephant wouldn’t be able to hoist that much weight on legts that were more slighter of build.
Again, I’ll address the fact that there are some people who via ligament strength, exceptional balance and secondary muscle coordination have been able to achieve feats of strength normally reserved for the much brawnier Mesomorphs, but these are the exception to the rule and if you tack on more muscle to their frames, they become even stronger.
Again, muscle = strength.
And finally, unless you’ve READ the eBook or other articles by Pete Sisco/John Little or any oen else that knows what their program is about, you can’t shoot it down based on your perceptions of what the program is about.
Do the research, find out the facts, THEN refute it if you can. I want to hear specifics on what SCT says, and then the contrasting explanation that knocks the legs out from underneath that, backed up with some kind of empirical data, study, etc. Something.
Saying, “that’s bullshit” ain’t gonna cut it anymore, and as you said, “proselytizing from a basis of obvious ignorance isn’t tolerated well here”.
So get to researching, sizzle-chest! ;-)
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