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Question: Has anyone achieved moderate gains without hours-per-day routines?

Question: Has anyone achieved moderate gains without hours-per-day routines?

I’m curious if anyone has achieved moderate length gains without putting in hours of time in their routines AND only using stretching techniques. I’m well aware that “you get back what you put into it” applies to many things in life, as well as PE. However, my goals are small (pun intended), maybe 1” or 1.5” length gain max. And I’m in no hurry. If it takes me 2-years to get one more inch, I’m fine with that.

The reason I ask is that I’m simply not in a position to dedicate large blocks of time to a “workout”. What I can do, because I primarily work from home, is employ stretching techniques periodically throughout the day.

Has anyone approached their PE like this and seen some success?

Thanks in advance.

The newbie routine actually doesn’t take too long and is the best way to start.

The guys that spend hours each day doing PE can be broken into two groups:

1. Newbies that are pushing themselves too hard and are about to hurt themselves.

2. Old (perhaps a bit frustrated) vets who already have their newbie gains and want to keep pushing even though the “easy” gains are way back in the past.

Guess which camp I’m in.


Start: (Aug 2001): 6 1/2 bpel x 4 7/8 mseg

Current: (6/24/14): 7 3/4 bpel (7 nbp) x 5 5/8 mseg. BEG 6 1/4. BPFSL 8 1/8.

Goals: First: 7 1/2 bpel x 5 1/2 mseg ACHIEVED! Current Goal: 7 nbp x 5 3/4 mseg (almost there!)

Just in the last 3 months I have gained almost .5” length. I spend 20-30 minutes most days I PE.

So is it possible? Yes.


Start: BPEL: 5.25" EG: ~4.5"

Current: BPEL: ~ 6.75" MSEG: ~4.75" BG: 4.825" BPFSL: 7"

Initial Goal: NBPEL: 7" EG: 5" Long Term Goal: 7.5" x 5.25-5.50"

1.5” gains is not a modest goal, though. It is a lot of cock.

HA! Yes, that’s true I suppose. I was thinking “moderate” in terms of how quickly things happen. I’d be happy with .5” per year for three years. I’m not in a hurry.

I have not; so I can’t say that.
But I have posted a link over at the “More is less” thread about a research paper on Fascies / Collagen rebuilding.

There they postulate that collagen formation takes 48-72 hours; with the first 24hrs after stimulus being actually negative in impact.

Therefore, maybe we all do far too much. (I don’t know; it is just a suspicion).

Maybe 1 or 2 days on, and then 2-3 days off would be more productive. Who knows.
I will try such a regime.

Originally Posted by BigSchlongCH
I have not; so I can’t say that.
But I have posted a link over at the “More is less” thread about a research paper on Fascies / Collagen rebuilding.

There they postulate that collagen formation takes 48-72 hours; with the first 24hrs after stimulus being actually negative in impact.

Therefore, maybe we all do far too much. (I don’t know; it is just a suspicion).

Maybe 1 or 2 days on, and then 2-3 days off would be more productive. Who knows.
I will try such a regime.

I don’t know how to apply this article to PE, but its a revelation to those practicing Internal Power martial arts. It explains science behind storing power in the fascia and it concurrent beneficial effects on your health and body flexibility.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
I don’t know how to apply this article to PE, but its a revelation to those practicing Internal Power martial arts. It explains science behind storing power in the fascia and it concurrent beneficial effects on your health and body flexibility.

That paper is exercise science. It examines repeated, high-magnitude connective tissue stresses that you would achieve through repeated exercise movements like jumping, striking, running or lifting weights. That type of stretching - high stress cyclic/ballistic stretching - is the most fatiguing/damaging style of connective tissue stretch and causes a net breakdown of collagen for 24-48 hours after it is applied. It is also the best way to strengthen connective tissue as seen in weightlifters, power athletes, and martial artists who have very thick, dense, and strong connective tissues - not what we want with PE.

When a constant stretch is applied, as in our standard PE methods, very little damage is caused (ideally) and net collagen synthesis begins almost immediately.

So yes VERY important for power athletes as they need strong connective tissues to both store energy for powerful movements and resist the pull of their powerful muscles and the massive forces generated with powerful movements to prevent injury. But probably not very applicable to PE unless you are causing a lot of connective tissue damage in your routine, which we should likely be trying to avoid.

Thanks for the advice. I’ll post some progress reports as the data becomes available.

Originally Posted by rootsnatty
That paper is exercise science. It examines repeated, high-magnitude connective tissue stresses that you would achieve through repeated exercise movements like jumping, striking, running or lifting weights. That type of stretching - high stress cyclic/ballistic stretching - is the most fatiguing/damaging style of connective tissue stretch and causes a net breakdown of collagen for 24-48 hours after it is applied. It is also the best way to strengthen connective tissue as seen in weightlifters, power athletes, and martial artists who have very thick, dense, and strong connective tissues - not what we want with PE.

When a constant stretch is applied, as in our standard PE methods, very little damage is caused (ideally) and net collagen synthesis begins almost immediately.

So yes VERY important for power athletes as they need strong connective tissues to both store energy for powerful movements and resist the pull of their powerful muscles and the massive forces generated with powerful movements to prevent injury. But probably not very applicable to PE unless you are causing a lot of connective tissue damage in your routine, which we should likely be trying to avoid.

Root thats a very interesting and good remark!

What Bigschlong posted is more or less the base of the IPR protocol minus the P in it. Now IPR it worked for some guys especialy Xeno. It got much heat overall but I think that is cause most people overlooked the most important P in IPR. xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale

Quote:
“Proliferation: is done with the aid of an ADS device in the case of length focused work or a cock ring, Thera-P wristband, etc. in the case of girth focused work. The goal of the P phase is to keep the tissues that were strained during the I phase aligned in as close as possible to the same direction that the I phase stressor was aligned. This facilitates cellular growth (mitosis) along the same vectors (of initial strain) by means of distraction histogenesis, a term which basically means preferentially directed mitosis. Therefore, in the case of ADS wearing, one should orient it in the as close to the direction of their I phase stressor as possible. “

I think is totally right about the IP in IPR. Not so sure about the R and I think Monty had it right back then Monty: - Gaining girth using IPR protocol

I myself experienced the most gains when I stuck to one thing for a long time daily and for months. Looking back my best gains came from. Stretching ca. 10 minutes, extender some hours and again stretching and again extender.

I think a short daily routine, not too intense to strengthen and intense enough to increase tissue adaption, is able to enlarge the penis. Many routines do exactly that(newbie routine). But it might have its limits as it reaches a point were you have to venture into a stage were intensity is reaching strength territory or lets say the window to hit growth gets smaller.
And most Big gainers had quiet massive routines with big time investments.

So OP, I think small to moderate gains are possible but in the long run (and thus bigger gains) you have to invest at least time into the proliferation phase as described in IPR theory. This is then mostly passive PE but still an many hour long investment every day.

Across many PE forums since many years an initial impact followed by some passive all day extensions(back then the mummy, today extenders, small weights and sleeves) gave many people at least moderate gains and some gained big time.

I have a theory that after you finished IP of the IPR you might change to exercises that target a different part of the penis to start another IP phase while the first IP run is finished and so on. (“similar” to exercising the bizeps one day and legs the next day). One part of the penis would then go into a sort of healing phase.
Like hanging BTC from the base for a period of time with the IP in IPR and then hanging OTC fulcrum and back to BTC again. Of course thats now too much rambling -off the context of this thread I guess..

I have good plan to do this but havent all the necessary stuff yet to do this smoothly.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Root thats a very interesting and good remark!

What Bigschlong posted is more or less the base of the IPR protocol minus the P in it. Now IPR it worked for some guys especialy Xeno. It got much heat overall but I think that is cause most people overlooked the most important P in IPR. xenolith - Finding xeno: a penis tale

Quote:
“Proliferation: is done with the aid of an ADS device in the case of length focused work or a cock ring, Thera-P wristband, etc. in the case of girth focused work. The goal of the P phase is to keep the tissues that were strained during the I phase aligned in as close as possible to the same direction that the I phase stressor was aligned. This facilitates cellular growth (mitosis) along the same vectors (of initial strain) by means of distraction histogenesis, a term which basically means preferentially directed mitosis. Therefore, in the case of ADS wearing, one should orient it in the as close to the direction of their I phase stressor as possible. “

I think is totally right about the IP in IPR. Not so sure about the R and I think Monty had it right back then Monty: - Gaining girth using IPR protocol

I myself experienced the most gains when I stuck to one thing for a long time daily and for months. Looking back my best gains came from. Stretching ca. 10 minutes, extender some hours and again stretching and again extender.

I think a short daily routine, not too intense to strengthen and intense enough to increase tissue adaption, is able to enlarge the penis. Many routines do exactly that(newbie routine). But it might have its limits as it reaches a point were you have to venture into a stage were intensity is reaching strength territory or lets say the window to hit growth gets smaller.
And most Big gainers had quiet massive routines with big time investments.

So OP, I think small to moderate gains are possible but in the long run (and thus bigger gains) you have to invest at least time into the proliferation phase as described in IPR theory. This is then mostly passive PE but still an many hour long investment every day.

Across many PE forums since many years an initial impact followed by some passive all day extensions(back then the mummy, today extenders, small weights and sleeves) gave many people at least moderate gains and some gained big time.

I have a theory that after you finished IP of the IPR you might change to exercises that target a different part of the penis to start another IP phase while the first IP run is finished and so on. (“similar” to exercising the bizeps one day and legs the next day). One part of the penis would then go into a sort of healing phase.
Like hanging BTC from the base for a period of time with the IP in IPR and then hanging OTC fulcrum and back to BTC again. Of course thats now too much rambling -off the context of this thread I guess..

I have good plan to do this but havent all the necessary stuff yet to do this smoothly.

I have gained best as you say: sticking with one thing for a long time.

I respect the work that went into IPR, but I think IPR is based on the incorrect assumption that connective tissue heals like a wound. There is evidence that it does not. Firegoat has a good post on here with some references. I need to find it. The only time connective tissue heals IPR-style is in the case of a tear. You would need to cause a LOT of trauma to cause the kind of inflammation that comes from connective tissue damage.

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