Plateau after atypical routine (experts needed)

Hi guys.
This is going to be a fairly long post.

My experience with serious PE started last September. I didn’t really expect any gains, to be honest. My start: 6.3 NBP(about 7.1-7.25 BP), 5.5 MSEG.
I started to have a dry-jelqing only routine, ‘cause I never managed to be consistent with dry jelqs, too messy for me. No stretching at all, considered the loss in EQ some may experience doing it.
I started with 35-40 dry jelqs, 2 on 1 off.

After finishing my routines I never had a good pump, and by this I mean my erect measurements after jelqing were the same (even millimetrically) than the previous ones. So I didn’t really think something was going to change. Anyway I obsessively measured myself once a day.

But then, suddenly, one day I measure +0.08 inches in girth. What had changed? In one of the days before I had had a long masturbation session with my girlfriend, who masturbated me, and with more than 1 ejaculation (maybe 2 or 3 in a few hours). This session left me sore and my penis was very swollen: really full of fluid buildup. But after 10 days all the buildup had adsorbed: but I still had that 0.08 inches. This happened to me not just once, as you will read going on.

Of course I tried to replicate the conditions which brought me to such a gain, and sometimes I gained (about the same amount of girth), sometimes I just didn’t. I tried to replicate these conditions maybe twice a month (to get rid of the fluid buildup totally, I need more than 4 days, sometimes even a week).

Long story short, at the start of December, going on with my “2 on 1 off dry jelq only” (I now made 50-60, about 15 minutes, fairly long strokes and a nice amount of pressure), AND with the masturbation sessions once in a while which led me to fluid buildup, I measured 5.8+ in girth.

Since December I have been not so consistent, but still I’ve made quite regularly 2-3-4 days a week of 15-20 minutes (sometimes even 30-40 minutes) of dry jelq. No gains in girth department anymore.
As you may notice, I’m more interested in girth than length, at least for now.
You understand fellows my story is atypical: I never made the newbie routine, I never made stretching (although this is not entirely true, but let’s just say that in the last 6 months, I may have stretched three or four times a month for 10 minutes every time) and in fact I only gained in girth, in the strange way I mentioned.

I speculate my gains after the sessions could be due to prolonged erections in a penis which anyway in the same week exercised with dry jelqs? Anyway, who cares.

That’s where I am today too: still 6,3 NBPEL, 5.8+ MSEG. Now, it’s been about 6 months that I went on with dry jelqs, but no gains absolutely. Some days I’m 5.9 MSEG but that’s it.

Last april I took a break of 3 weeks, and I’ve started again with dry jelq for two weeks now. Apart from getting a bit pumped afterwards (I can reach 5.9 or hardly 6 MSEG sometimes), no changes whatsoever.

I have a question for experts or who hit a plateau: HOW CAN I START TO GAIN GIRTH AGAIN? Should I add stretching? Should I increase time of jelqs? Or just number of days per week (less rest)?
I mean, what should I do?

Please excuse me for any mistake I could have made, English is not my mother tongue.

Do you still do the edging with your girlfriend?

I recommend you try gentle clamping with edging (edging = long masturbation session). It fits well with your choice of routine so far, and should cause more expansion.

Hi BD,
I very much admired your series of posts about the Big Gainers.

What I’d like to point is that the previous gains were achieved only after edging (if I can call that this way! Consider that I ejaculated 2 or even 3 times in those 2-3 hours) but edging-by-masturbation-which-led-my-penis-to-be-full-of-fluidbuildup for some days.
I’m sorry to have used such a long word but I can’t really explain this better.
I have fucked even for hours sometimes (mostly with condom) with her, but never ever had any gain after that.
I even came to the conclusion, at a point, that my girth was bigger only because of fluid buildup not reabsorbed…but that’s impossible because I even took a break and because the gain didn’t happen every time I tried to make it happen.

What do you mean by gentle clamping? executed in what way and using what?

Yes, my big problem is expansion. I assure you I make long and pretty hard strokes with variable degrees of erection (but mostly very high, because I start very high) to see IF I’M REALLY LUCKY 0.2 mm of expansion which after a bit vanishes away.

P.S. MMM I was just thinking…maybe the fact that gain seemed to be due to masturbation is that during sexual intercourse I, and men in general, normally have fluctuations in erection level…fluctuations that are much reduced (even if not non-existing) during a long handjob.

10 minutes elapsed. At least for me during a handjob, the erection level thing, I meant.

For clamping, the easiest way to get started is to buy a cable clamp.

They look like this.
http://www.amaz … /dp/B0051PUJC8/

Then you need a wrap to put at your base that you tighten the clamp on. Neoprene works great, but any kind of padding will work. You can either make a sleeve, or super glue some padding to the clamp.

Once you’ve got those things, it’s simple. Put your wrap / padding around the base. Put the clamp on, one click, and get aroused. Every 20-30 seconds tighten another click until you get the clamp effect (big increase in expansion, and glans becomes inflated far beyond normal) then stay at that tightness, or maybe one click more if it improves the effect. There’s no reason to go any tighter in my opinion. If you stay at this minimum tightness, clamping is quite safe. Then simply stay aroused with the huge hard on, and expansion.

Remove the clamp every 5 minutes or so (maximum 10 minutes) to let fresh blood circulate. Take at least a 1 minute break between sets. Never let a set go too long. The tissue gets very little oxygen, and it gets cold, and turns dark color. Too long and it can cause cellular damage. I prefer to refresh the blood before any of those symptoms occur.

If you clamp too tightly, the coldness and darkness can arise very quickly. Going too tight doesn’t add expansion, it just cuts off more circulation, in my experience.

If you build up slowly over a few weeks or months, you can get up to the point where you can do long sessions of clamped edging like this. A reasonable time per workout would be 30 minutes total in the clamp, but you can find what’s best. It’s also up to you how often to do it. You will get great expansion, somewhere in the range of 5 - 15 mm for most guys. I have found that if I continue a session longer, doing more sets, eventually I’ll slowly get a few more mm expansion as time goes on. But it may be fluid build up.

Tntjockey did clamped workouts with his wife. She would keep him aroused in various ways, and would pull gently on the clamped dick. If your girlfriend knows about your PE it could be a great workout. That’s why I suggested it for you. Also because a dry jelq is more similar to clamping than a wet jelq.

I hope you try it out and you begin gaining again. One time I went 7 months with no measurable gain. Sometimes PE is still working even when it seems nothing is happening.

Sounds reasonable. Its called edging.
Exercise and then edge.
To get more gains: add more ‘time/frequency’ or/and ‘intensity’ or/and ‘exercise’.

I would do what worked for you already but in a more focused way. Jelq and then edge. You can add squezzes and bends.(of course first research information about it)

To check if it works observe apart from measuring your PI ‘s

I have just done 30 minutes of dry jelqing (with some breaks of 1-2 min to gain a high level of erection again) and after the 30 minutes, done, believe me, in a supposed good way, pressing on sides, long stroke of 4-5-6 seconds, and a nice amount of pressure too, and a very high degree of erection while doing it (started with 90-100, any rep ended at 30-40)…
and I got NO EXPANSION in erect girth after all of this! I’m a bit shocked.

I must say either that in the past, when I gained, it was the same thing: after the workout I got little to none expansion every time. But here around I read of people whose standard expansion in girth seems to be in the neighborhood of 0.5-0-75 inches! That’s something that leaves me with no words.
Do I have to research maximum expansion during workout?

Maybe I should open a separate post for this.

@Bearded Dragon,
I’m for now not interested in length. But the keyword is “now”. That’s why I’m wondering: if I switch to clamping, will I burn every chance for me of getting some length in future? because it’s something I read somewhere here. Just a theory? Remember I only occasionally did some stretching (absolutely nothing consistent, as you may read above).

That’s why I was thinking: maybe I could try pumping first? At a first look, it seems less intense than clamping (both done properly of course) and maaaaaybe a little safer (my speculation)? If so, I may try that before clamping, which however sooner or later I plan to try.

Are there any cases in which doing clamping inhibited any other technique, like pumping for girth or stretching for length?

@Dicker,
I never understood squeezes. I mean, are they what somebody else call ULI?
And if so, what is an Uli?
I already made some research and I found different versions. The TP version seems to be “make a grip at the base of the erect penis, standard OK grip or overhand, which is very tight. Hold and then release. Then regain an erection and do it again” (that’s my summary).

What I want to know is:
1)at what level of erection I make the grip at the base;
2)how tight should it be (I know, maybe it’s the hardest question);
3)how long should I hold;
4)how many reps. I know I have to increase with time, but I’d like to know where to start.

Hey Mike,

I also get nearly zero expansion from jelqing by itself.

The main reasons I suggested clamping were that you didn’t want any length, and that it is similar (but more intense) than the dry jelqs you were already doing. So if you do want length maybe it’s not the best fit.

Some people do gain length from clamping (they are the minority). It’s primarily a girth exercise. And gaining girth can make it more difficult to gain length in the future because there’s a wider cross section of tissue resisting any stretching force. Note that “more difficult” doesn’t mean impossible. And all the evidence isn’t conclusive either way. It’s generally a good idea to go for your length gains before girth gains, but there are plenty of guys who get them simultaneously, or even in the other direction.

Pumping is a good idea. It has more of a length component to it than clamping. You can control the intensity by choosing what pressure to pump at. I agree that pumping is marginally safer than clamping, because clamping squeezes down on the non-target tissues. If you have good technique pumping is very safe. Poor technique and it can be potentially dangerous. Whereas clamping, even with good technique has inherent dangers because of how much force is getting concentrated on a small area.

The longer I have been at this, the more I want girth more than length, and the more I’ll take whatever gains I get, whether it be length or girth.

Whatever way you go, good luck with it, and if you start at low forces and gradually work your way up over a period of weeks or months, it’ll be quite safe.

I only dry jelq. I get good expansion. Started at 5.2 girth and now I am at 5.4, which is very consistent in every measurement. I do practice edging every second workout. I also got a nice 0.4-0.5 gain in nbpel. Measurements didn’t change for a month now.

I also want to report that all my gains came very suddenly. Nothing for the first 3 months except maybe an inch longer flaccid and rock hard erections. One day I woke up with a rock hard erection that refused to go down. I said what the hell,lets measure it cause it seemed bigger than yesterday. I did and I got the above measurements which at first couldn’t believe!

Perhaps every man gains in a different way. Maybe you should give it a little more time Mike91?

Mike, when your penis is at very high erection levels, the tissues are ‘locked-up’ to make your penis rigid. They have no elasticity. We want to encourage/train the tissues to think they need more elasticity and ability to stretch; if we challenge them to become more elastic, they will, as collagen is an adaptive tissue. The best way for you to do that is to use heat (very important), and to jelq at no more than 80% erection level.

When the tissues are at 80% erection, they still have plenty of ability to expand, but are still close to full erect girth.
As you jelq the pressure will build up in front of your hand, making the tissues expand elastically from 80% erection to, hopefully, a little above your normal erect girth (during the jelq). With repetition, the tissues will learn to be more elastic, and with time and consistency, that extra becomes permanent.

Working at a very high erection level will train the tissues to resist expansion as they are already at their non-elastic point and feel they are being forced, so their response is to want to get stronger, rather than more elastic. So heat and a lower erection level for jelqing should help you to gain.

Your English is excellent and easy to understand. :)

As Firegoat explained no need to do jelqs at 90-100% in most cases. All that does for me is very good EQ(if right intensity and time tendency low)

IMO the naming of exercises only by the name of the creator was a bit of the “secrecy” part in early PE but now serves much confusion.

A squezze can be applied anywhere on the dick. Its just that. Squezzing your dick to get expansion. In varying intensity and duration.
Best also done at around 60-80%.
The idea is to start below 100% and then go through the squezze beyond 100% without the tunica actually erect at 100% if that makes sense.
That way you create more expansion(opposed to 100% ,as also in jelqs, where expansion is more difficult)

Then you come to varations…
Squezzing with two hand. One at the base and one wherer you like to create expansion.
A base squezze is the same as hand clamping increasing girth beyond it.
Also bend squezzes. Bending while squezzing(advanced and better at lower erection)

You always want to start with lowest intensity an easiest technique and then slowly increase difficulty.

and heat..
I jsut read firegoats post and he explained it already in principle.

Also you can do so called firegoats rolls ( :D )