Penis Enlargement Skeptic?

Yes that journal is well respected. Is there any peer review of the andrpenis study though? Or has the study been submitted and ignored?

I would think that it would be more like a career ending decision.

Beside that, the sample is too small for ‘the scientific method’ and there isn’t a control group or a double blind design. Notice that:

' In the present study we failed to detect clinically relevant changes in penile circumference and this was confirmed by the patients themselves, who reported their penile girth as unchanged after treatment.'

Submitted studies aren’t cited by the journal they’re submitted to. If it’s contained in the British Journal of Urology, it was reviewed (of course, that’s never a guarantee of correctness, but it is evidence that there was merit to their claims).

I agree that the sample is much too small in every study published. That was my chief concern before I bought the extender. That said, I feel like the lack of a control or a double-blind test isn’t particularly relevant, because it’s universally agreed that if you leave your dick alone, it’s not going to get any bigger.

And I’m almost positive that at least one of the studies on their webpage mentioned girth increases, but that certainly could be just from the pressure of the noose, as you mentioned.

Suppose that it isn’t the dick that grows, but the doctor stretching with more force and/or measuring slightly differently and/or pushing more inside the fatpad, even unconsciously. They did not measure erect penis, they measured the stretched penis. So those flaws are very relevant.

And if one of those ‘peer reviewed’ studies found an increase in girth and another ‘peer reviewed’ studies found no increase in girth, how can you swear for the correctness of those stuides?

Listen, anatomy or anything related to people is not physics; studies can’t prove much, for a number of reasons. And as said, in those scientific journals a lot of doubious material is published, even in the BJU.

I guess another question that I have, after thinking about this for a while, is “if it works, why haven’t we heard about it in the news”? Perhaps CNN wouldn’t pick it up, but Livestrong and Time both published articles about the Androextender.

I’ll tell you the truth ok? Gli Illuminati want to hide PE.

No, really. Why hasn’t there been support for this in Time, or Livestrong, or even moderately-popular health blogs?

Why not ask them?

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What Time has to do with cocks?

I asked about Time because they covered All-day stretchers before.

I withdraw my question, though, and apologize for not doing enough research. :)

Livestrong should withdraw their article for not doing enough research. :D

ForOneDayOnly, don’t want to wake you up too abruptly, but the corporate "news" machine does not exist to provide empowering information to "consumers." Likewise, your somewhat naive questions about "scientific studies:" that’s like asking a history graduate student, "why don’t you do a paper on historical anomalies like crystal skulls and Costa Rica’s stone spheres and the Baalbek stones ?" Even after providing a convincing result, he/she could expect to be ridiculed for the rest of his/her life by the wizened academians, for the sin of having stepped outside of their belief corral .

To me the reason why I have an easier time believing the veterans on here is because they aren’t selling anything. Jelking and stretches are free for anybody kind of the same way pushups and situps are. Everybody knows that if you eat less, run, do pushups and situps you will get in better shape but very few people are willing to do it. Now, you can buy all the bull crap you want but it really comes down to diet and exercise. In the same way these vets are giving PE routines which doesn’t promote any product that they sell. Why would all of these people lie if they were not profiting in anyway from it? It also makes sense when you consider after a penis operation to extend your penis you wear weight to keep the ligament from shrinking back up to its original state. Why wouldn’t hanging work when it is basically the same thing except instead of cutting the ligament you are slowly stretching it.

Perhaps a standard question to people researching PE should be,”Do you have unused exercise equipment in your home?” If yes, we should simply ignore them and hope they go away, since in the end they’re not going to do anything anyway :D

I have been reading this forum for many hours now and I have read countless stories
From posters about them gaining and then losing gains and others maintaining gains.
I have read posts from people who have not gained anything through PE.
My question is this.

0.5 ” or 1” is really not that much.
And many things can be factored towards those gains.

For example. Your body is naturally doing something internally to make your package
Hang more, your balls to drop more, these can be due to many reasons, certain foods, vitamins, supplements, heat, frequent sex, shaving off hair around the area etc etc
So a flaccid state will look bigger than usual. So even though you have been hanging, or jelqing
Might not necessarily be the reason for your .5 ” flaccid gain.

Further more. Regarding harder erection.
Many factors could be the reason for this.
Perhaps self belief, libido, positive thinking, believing by doing PM you are just believing their must be results so its a kind of perception, sure the erections are real, but is it from PE?
Or is it from your your body circulating blood due to positive thoughts and consciousness?
Also eating certain foods, working out can also result in hard erections.

Gaining 0.5” of length in an erect state.
Ok, so you are doing PE, 3 months at it, during this time, your body and mind has changed with positive thoughts, your blood flow is moving and your libido is alive and well.
You feel sexy, you feel it’s working, you feel horny, more blood has rushed into your organ during this climatic moment before sex or self gratification , standing in the mirror and measuring yourself, you might have lost some weight during your vanity moment, your blood circulation is moving more and you are having hot sex more often, so your package is more fill with blood as it’s ready for sex or pleasure at a given noticed compared to a penis which is not being used , or the body is not circulating blood.
Perhaps you took a hot bath, had sex with you a new girl, you have worked out, been doing PE, eating right, it’s summer time, you have shaved your pubic region, taken zinc, drunk a ton of water, popped a Viagra, having wonderful sex, your penis is strong and solid, full of blood, you measure yourself, and you have gain .05” you are like WOW! PE works!
But is it due to PE?

Penis pumps, hand pumping your penis, weights etc will move blood into those areas.
With more blood flow into the penis will show an increase in size.

There are other methods to increase blood flow without straining your penis.
If we are only talking about 0.2 - 0.5 or even 1” is it really due to working out your penis or is it due to a healthy sexual organ?

Some men penises are soft and more flexible than others, Some guys balls, and penises are more tighter than others and have VERY strong erections meaning not able to bend down.
Don’t you think it’s possible than certain men who are more elastic than others are just in fact taking out the extra 1” hidden behind the fat pad which everyone really has?
Is PE the result of releasing that extra 1” or is it just the result of losing weight, better blood flow, regular sex, healthy body or warmer climates?
Or all of the above?

Now, someone who has gone from 5.5” to 7.5” is an amazing result.
And possible could be explained due to many reasons, everyone I said above and just a freakish result? Strange things happen to people.

Someone who has gone from 5.5” to 8.5” is a dream for probably 70% of the men in the world! If this person can prove that it’s all due to PE then he really needs to write a book, package up the theory and sell it in a book! And prove it..
Because a 5.5” penis is not a DONG! You don’t drop your pants in front of your friends, or in front of a girl and they all double look! 5.5 is just a sexual organ which does the job.

Now you drop your pants and produce a 8.5” cock you are basically saying “check this out”
And everyone is gonna double take and you will be talked about around the locker room, and the wives will all know about you.

So for a man in his 30’s who was always the 5.5 guy and the girls never talked about you as a hung guy, but one of your friends were, then 3 or 4 years later, you sleep with a girl you slept with before who has a big mouth and talks about the boys, now you are the biggest guy in the room with a whopping 8.5”!
REALLY?
Did this really happen?

The increase of 3” is huge.
Its like a girl going from a B cup to a 38DD cup!
The obvious psychical enhancement is astounding. JAW DROPPING.

Now I know there are people on here claiming results, but the guys who are claiming
Gains of 2” to 3” you do understand you have gone from a non impressive tool to a jaw dropping , double taking well endowed unit. Regardless if you believe you are big or not.
The shear fact of you going from 6” to 8.5” basically means you have a seriously huge sex tool! Regardless what you think, it’s what we all know to be.
An 8.5” cock, is a seriously huge tool. Will take two hands to hold, will hang well down your leg, after cumming will hang down like a third leg and swing around like a bat and impress any girl who sees it and put envy to any man who sees it.

So, I need to ask, really, has anyone gone from 5.5, 6” and brought themselves from average into the envy and desire club of 8” and above. And if so..
Can you really prove it?

I am your average 6x5 guy. My best friend is 7x6 we use to jerk off watching porn together when we were in high school by looking at his package, I can clearly see he is bigger than me! CLEARLY.. And we are only talking about 1”
Just the genetics of that 7x6 makes him bigger than me in appearance.
Also the extra 1” makes his cock more flexible as he has an extra 1” of movement so it hangs more, and swings more when its limp, or flaccid.
Compared to mine which is 6” more stiff, and doesn’t produce the hang which a 7” does, and surely doesn’t have the visual effect all this just from 1”

So by gaining one ” you are clearly moving into a hole new class of cock.
Visually and psychically.
Now. I have three other friends who are Donkeys
One friend he is 9.4” it’s obvious he has the nickname Titanic.
Now, from my 6” he is only 3.5” bigger than me. But the visual difference is monstrous.
From my friend who is 7” titanic is 2.5 ” bigger, but again monstrous difference.

My two other friends are 10” plus and they are just in a league of their own.
But the three of them, when next to each other their cocks look similar and huge. Even though they are only comparing 1” or so.

So what I am trying to say, even with a 1” gain on the lower spectrum
5”, 6” you will look huge. To go from 6 to 7
Or 7 to 8 it’s an amazing difference both psychically and visually.

If we are really talking about true gains.

Now I am not here to call everyone liars, or say your gains are not real.
But really without facts, evidence both anecdotal, psychical and photographic proof, there will always be skeptics and PE will always be something similar to pseudoscience people who swore they were kidnapped by Aliens, paranormal believers who swear their houses are haunted, seen ghosts or Jesus spoke to them.

Will the REAL gainers please stand up!