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Over a year in PE and next to no gains. suggestions

Originally Posted by marinera
Almost. Let’s figure your penis as a bicycle wheel inner tyre filled; when you have an erection, the tyre is filled with fluid (blood) and starts expanding. If the tyre is stronger length-wise than girth-wise, what you have? It will grow more in girth than in length, of course. If you go on pushing fluid, you’ll reach a point where more girth increase will become near impossible to achieve. At this stage, if you push even more fluid, the tyre will start increasing length instead than girth. Does this sounds reasonable?

How can I figure out which tire is stronger length or girth?

Originally Posted by Wamrage
How can I figure out which tire is stronger length or girth?

This is a little lengthy of a read, but it completely answers your question.

Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

I have changed my routine a bit, as EQ went up, but then began to suffer again. I believe it is because perhaps im overdoing it (as one or two of you suggested may happen). so here is my new routine:

* 10 min warm wrap (washcloth)
* 10 min long hold v/fulcrum-stretches
* 200 80-90% jelqs with 1-2 30 sec hold Horse 440 squeezes every 75 jelqs
* 10 Ulis
* 10 min warm wrap (washcloth)
* 100 Kegels

I’ll stick with this until I get the EQ I’m looking for (essentially a lead pipe covered in flesh).


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

Originally Posted by Wamrage
How can I figure out which tire is stronger length or girth?

Let’s say you only do wet jelqs and you gain only length: then, your girth tire - in our analogy - is stronger than length tire, of course. Things are harder to guess when both tires are strong, so you are not gaining nor girth neither length. In this case, after first months of newbie routine, I think the best approach would be to alternate ‘length focused’ periods and ‘girth focused’ periods, in the attempt of weaken the limiting tire, whatever of the two it could be.

PI’s and EQ have been good the past few days. Starting with today, I am doing 250 jelqs, rather than just 200. 250 felt good today.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

I increased to 300 Jelqs today. Everything else remains the same.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

You should start a progress log, BTB.

That’s a good idea… I’ll call it the “lack of progress log”. Haha


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

Originally Posted by BTBassist
That’s a good idea… I’ll call it the “lack of progress log”. Haha

I know the feeling brotha, trust me.

But a progress log is still a good idea. Especially when you start gaining (notice the “when” and not an “if”). That way other hard gainers could draw more direct information from your case and perhaps apply it to themselves. There has to be a common link with all of us guys who seem to get nothing from this stuff…

Originally Posted by UFGator
I know the feeling brotha, trust me.

But a progress log is still a good idea. Especially when you start gaining (notice the “when” and not an “if”). That way other hard gainers could draw more direct information from your case and perhaps apply it to themselves. There has to be a common link with all of us guys who seem to get nothing from this stuff…

I’m actually noticing a few things. It seems some of us just have “tougher tissue” down there. I have been looking into the septum/dorsal thickening thing. Basically there is a layer of fascia (actually a few layers) that is thicker in some men than others. It is responsible for the feeling most describe as a “cord” down the middle of the shaft. These are also guys who’s flaccid girth doesn’t change much at all when being stretched. Mine changes almost none at all. I also don’t ever recall having spotting from jelqing like so many report. I just recently had my ligs begin to “pop” during fulcrum stretching, an even that doesn’t happen often. So I just may have a little too much “tissue toughness” down there, but supposedly this can be overcome… I’m actually going to try hanging one of these days. I’m going to stick with jelqing awhile longer, to see if any gains come my way. If not… to the Bib Hanger I go.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

Lig pops with fulcrum stretching? Maybe you are not doing them in the best way.

If tissue toughness is the issue that all of us hard gainers are dealing with, than hanging is the absolute worst method of PE we should do. The intense short duration forces will only further toughen the tissue. If this is what you believe is the case, then I would encourage you to do light force, long duration PE - like an ADS, an extender not using the full stretching force, and supplemental jelqing for EQ.

Originally Posted by marinera
Lig pops with fulcrum stretching? Maybe you are not doing them in the best way.

Perhaps I’m not. Typically I use the edge of my wrist/forearm to apply the upward or downward force while using the other hand to stretch it out. Does this sound wrong?


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

My personal opinion is : yes. Fulcrum stretches should target the TA, not ligs. If I’ve got your post, the problem is probably the angolation : your body should be about parallel to the floor and your penis held below the parallel line to the floor.

Originally Posted by marinera
My personal opinion is : yes. Fulcrum stretches should target the TA, not ligs. If I’ve got your post, the problem is probably the angolation : your body should be about parallel to the floor and your penis held below the parallel line to the floor.

ah, ok. I think I get what you’re saying.


Starting measurements (August 2009): BPEL: 7.625in EG:6.25in BPFSL: 7.5in flaccid BP length:4in

"Peak" measurements (Oct. 2012): BPEL: 8in EG: 6.625in BPFSL: 8.375 in flaccid BP length: 6in

Current measurements (Nov. 2017): BPEL: 8in EG: 5.75in BPFSL: 8.25in flaccid BP length: 6in

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