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No Gains in Years, Still Small… Dangerously Depressed

Originally Posted by 4thewind
Thanks for the reply. I was doing stretches because 1. it was an area that seemed to actually work and give me gains, and 2. I could be wrong, but it seemed to be the wisdom here to work length before girth. Is that incorrect? Also I know stretches help with base girth.

I’m not sure my blood type to be honest.


Your length is well above average. Work on girth first to gain 0.3 to 0.5 inches. If you work length first, which is the more common thing to do, you may end up with a dick 7 inches long looking even more like a straw. You get my point? Reach 5 inches in girth which is more than decent and then you can stretch your dick to 7 inches. It’s not that hard. If you go to 5.5 girth then yes length will be more hard to achieve. But up to 5 inches girth you can still easily gain length.

I strongly believe that if you reach 6.5x 5 your dick won’t look small to you because it won’t be small. Girth is your issue, not length for now. Try it.

4thewind are you anxious? Do you know that perminent anxiety can cause your dick to shrivel. Do you know why? Because your brain tells your body always to be ready for fight or flight which means that all the blood is going to your major muscle groups to keep them ready for action at any time. Your dick will shrivel, you will have trouble sleeping and you will have digestion issues along with high heart rate and bllod pressure. If you are anxious deal with that fiirst of all. When you feel relaxed your dick will, how can I say this…unfold if you will, in its flaccid state.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Originally Posted by bill10
4thewind are you anxious? Do you know that perminent anxiety can cause your dick to shrivel. Do you know why? Because your brain tells your body always to be ready for fight or flight which means that all the blood is going to your major muscle groups to keep them ready for action at any time. Your dick will shrivel, you will have trouble sleeping and you will have digestion issues along with high heart rate and bllod pressure. If you are anxious deal with that fiirst of all. When you feel relaxed your dick will, how can I say this.. Unfold if you will, in its flaccid state.

I couldn’t agree more! Bill you’re spot on brother. I had these same issues a lot of it was in my head. I started a post awhile back it basically goes into how drugs brought me to my knees and destroyed my dick. I did PE for awhile before I broke my neck and got hooked on drugs my EQ was amazing and size was good not great but good above average. I got back into PE in April of this year mainly to get back my PE size which I’m back to and for penis health. I realize now that penis health in PE needs to come first. I did need ED meds to get past my mental block I felt the same way your feeling. You may want to try that to get past that hump. The other thing you need to realize is your size isn’t bad. I know a lot guys fantasize about having an 8x6 pork sword but let tell you something I’m around 6.5 NBPEL and about 5 mseg and during oral I feel teeth during sex I can’t do some positions because it hits her cervix. Mind you this is with my wife who has given birth to five beautiful babies. So I would listen to Bill I’ve read a lot of his post he knows his stuff. Calm down meditate get out of your know head then figure out what you want out of PE. For me a healthy dick now comes first and a lot. Lol!

It’s always mental. 95%.

I came to notice that anxiety or usolved issues if you like, same thing, is devastating to your body. Your mind tells your body what to do. Not vice versa as many people think. The body only needs nutrients. Nothing else. The brain spreads the nutrients properly. Your brain will tell your dick to grow by cell division and damage healing. If your brain is concerned with many things, unnecessary, in my opinion, it will block and with it your body will block too.

As for anxiety, stress, call it what you like the cure is simple. No drugs no anything. Accept the fucking solution. To anything that stresses you out. Just accept it. We all know a priori the solution to any problem-s we are dealing with and cause anxiety. I am sure of that. At least most people know.

As soon as an issue appears you all know the proper way to solve it. Come on.. The question is and that causes people to have mental and unavoidably health issues, are you willing to apply it? Cause many get lost in questions like these: What about the consequences? Will application of my will hurt other people I love? Who do I love more, myself or other people? Will I be enough to apply and commit to my solution? Will I lose my job? How can I do it in a safe way? etc..

Accept and apply the fucking solution. Just do it. Anxiety slasher. Application of your own will.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

I have to agree with the majority consensus here. The problem you have is all mental. You have a good sized dick. Very few women out there would disagree. However, if you have a confidence problem, women will literally run from you. If you have anxiety on top of your confidence issues then you have the recipe for a small dick complex in your mind. The way you perceived each of these women’s responses indicate to me that you went into that tryst with the preconceived notion that she would find you inadequate. Guess what? You got what you believed would happen. You haven’t gained in four years? Guess again: confidence problem. You have to believe in yourself and what you are doing to succeed.

If I were you, I would set PE on the back burner and focus upon what is truly making you feel insecure. Are you ugly? Who says? Are you fat, stupid, have a bad job, smell bad? What is it that drops you below the standard grade of most men you are competing with? Your dick is above average so it’s not that. Did somebody beat you up or molest you when you were young? Figure it out and put your foot on it. Snuff the life out of those negative, bitter thoughts. If you need help, get it. Take the initiative and MAKE things happen. Don’t wait for them. You’ll find above many football locker room doors the words, “Carpe Diem!”. It means “Seize the day!”. If athletes at the top of their game need motivation, how much more so do we non-athletes need it? Find your motivation and seize it.

7.5 length and 5.5 girth is in your future, my friend. All you have to do is seize it. Make it yours. When you find an attractive woman, make her yours in the same way. Draw her in without words. Talk and smile with her then walk away. Don’t kiss her ass and make her think you are desperate. Imagine that you can have any woman you want and act as if you spend most of your day around gorgeous women. This one is no different. Build your confidence up without expectations. If sex happens, make sure you are on a prescription of Cialis. The stuff works miracles and can actually make your dick bigger by way of increasing blood supply.

Above all, relax. Make friendship and build those relationships. Being (acting) confident builds confidence so that eventually you won’t be acting anymore. People will be drawn to you because you will now be full of dynamic magnetism. Lift weights, cut the fat off your body, slowly build up your PE methods and wear well tailored expensive clothes. Don’t underestimate the power of clothing on your confidence and how others perceive you.

Finally, NEVER give up. Get mad, get angry, get mean. Don’t let this world beat you down. Push back…HARD! and make your place among the wolves.


Started: 01/01/2015 ~ BPEL: 7.2 inches. EG: 5.5 inches. [05/01/2015: BPEL: 7.6 X 5.5.] [08/06/2015: 7.75 X 5.5] Goal: Better EQ

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Hey guys, I really appreciate the psychological/mental advice, and I would be lying if I said that played no role in this. I’ve seen my brothers and my dad in underwear, and it’s obvious I got the serious thin end of the stick. There were enough sexual encounters, hell even grinding at nightclubs to convince me that I need a bigger stick. All of that works on anxiety in a positive feedback loop, getting worse each time.

However, I’ve been down this path before. I did PE until I got a 7.5 BPEL x 4.6 EG dick, then decided I didn’t want any more length with that kind of girth, and size isn’t the world anyways, and just live life and bang chicks, blah blah. So I quit, and lost an inch. And I’m really pissed in retrospect haha.

What I’m pursuing now is a return to PE with an integrated approach of that AND the mental stuff. Penis health helps obviously, but I want to grow too! That’s what this site is for, right? I hear you on getting started right away on girth exercises, however. I certainly wouldn’t mind 6.5 x 5! Given that so many girth exercises are intense, and that light routines destroy my dick as it is, what is a decent routine to start on? Earlier in this thread I suggested one 30-second stretch all directions, followed by 50 jelqs… is that reasonable? Or should I scratch the stretches altogether?

4thewind

I would try some exercises like bioenergetics and also meditation


GOAL - BPEL anything that comes along with 5.5 EG

Originally Posted by 4thewind
Hey guys, I really appreciate the psychological/mental advice, and I would be lying if I said that played no role in this. I’ve seen my brothers and my dad in underwear, and it’s obvious I got the serious thin end of the stick. There were enough sexual encounters, hell even grinding at nightclubs to convince me that I need a bigger stick. All of that works on anxiety in a positive feedback loop, getting worse each time.

However, I’ve been down this path before. I did PE until I got a 7.5 BPEL x 4.6 EG dick, then decided I didn’t want any more length with that kind of girth, and size isn’t the world anyways, and just live life and bang chicks, blah blah. So I quit, and lost an inch. And I’m really pissed in retrospect haha.

What I’m pursuing now is a return to PE with an integrated approach of that AND the mental stuff. Penis health helps obviously, but I want to grow too! That’s what this site is for, right? I hear you on getting started right away on girth exercises, however. I certainly wouldn’t mind 6.5 x 5! Given that so many girth exercises are intense, and that light routines destroy my dick as it is, what is a decent routine to start on? Earlier in this thread I suggested one 30-second stretch all directions, followed by 50 jelqs… is that reasonable? Or should I scratch the stretches altogether?

Yes, 30 second stretches in all directions paying special attention to pulling straight down from your body followed by 50 to 100 - 3 second properly executed jelqs will be an excellent starting point. Basically, follow the routine you used to get your previous 7.5 BPEL x 4.6 EG dick listed above. You get there once so it will be very easy for you to get back. Those tissues don’t forget. This time, though, you need to cement those gains. Once you get to those stats, start to work on girth.

Girth exercises vary but I would suggest basic jelqs then migrate to the use of a pump. I use LAPumps cylinder with a brake bleeder suction pump from Harbor Freight. Don’t skimp on the pump, brother. For a routine, you might hit up Titleist. He’s had quite a bit of success. Here is his Thread which is quite long but has some good info. (No pun intended)


Started: 01/01/2015 ~ BPEL: 7.2 inches. EG: 5.5 inches. [05/01/2015: BPEL: 7.6 X 5.5.] [08/06/2015: 7.75 X 5.5] Goal: Better EQ

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I allready gave you a routine. Think about it. Very light. I am convinced you are a less is more guy.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

And I added to bills routine.. just start and build slowly week by week adding a little to it each week or even two weeks, your penis will get used to it.

Just say you will revaluate your situation in 2-3 months…see its fatigue as part of the building process and carry on. (But obviously if it is a really bad pain, change or take it a bit easier)

Listen..Try my routine for six weeks. Take the 7th week competely off. That would be enough to know. Don’t bother measuring erect gains. Too soon. Just observe if your flaccid becomes more plump. If it does then you are in a good way meaning that you definetely are a less is more guy.

It’s only a month and a half of your time.Give it a try.

If that kind of routine is best for you 6 weeks is more than enough to see a nice fat long flaccid which will tell you you are in a good way.

Remember long lasting dry jelqs. Go for 5-6 secs a rep at least.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Yes bill I saw your routine, then others chimed in so I was wondering if simply one quick set of stretches could be added without ruining everything. I’ll get on the light routine either way, because I’m pretty sure I’m less-is-more too. By the way, do have any recommendations for anti-turtling oil or lube?

How lack, I think by the time I hit 7.5 I was doing some more advanced exercises and stretching in the daytime and at night, so I’m hesitant to dive into that right away. Also, ever since this operation my dick hasn’t felt the same (despite leaving the thread with a happy ending) Lost girth after hemorrhoid operation?? Help! , so another worry is that it won’t ever get to the level it was at before. But all I can do is try!

For anti turtling I can’t think of anything else than heat. Perhaps some olive oil which is rich in nutrients will do the job but I won’t bet my life on it.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

That sucks, man. I hope women aren’t really that shallow and retarded. I know that everyone is at least somewhat shallow, but denying someone purely because of their penis size is like denying someone purely on the size of their tits or ass, or maybe if their vagina isn’t perfect. That’s really off-putting. It’s even more retarded considering, like everyone else has said, your penis isn’t even small.

Originally Posted by 4thewind
Yes bill I saw your routine, then others chimed in so I was wondering if simply one quick set of stretches could be added without ruining everything. I’ll get on the light routine either way, because I’m pretty sure I’m less-is-more too. By the way, do have any recommendations for anti-turtling oil or lube?

How lack, I think by the time I hit 7.5 I was doing some more advanced exercises and stretching in the daytime and at night, so I’m hesitant to dive into that right away. Also, ever since this operation my dick hasn’t felt the same (despite leaving the thread with a happy ending) Lost girth after hemorrhoid operation?? Help! , so another worry is that it won’t ever get to the level it was at before. But all I can do is try!

Wait…. I just remembered that green tea and watermelon juice should do the job. Also, plenty of water


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

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