No Dice...

This is my cry for help folks. I’m teetering on the edge of throwing in the towel already, even though I’m barely four months in. It’s a pathetic and premature attitude to have, I know this. But I am having serious difficulty staying focused at the moment because nothing seems to be working. I’ll try to lay everything out.

(Ignore my PE statistics. Any gains reflected in those stats were temporary and would only last long enough to make me thing I gained. I also believe I measure inconsistently by pushing the ruler in too far. Trust me, I have not gained a millimeter.)

1. I’ve been going for about 4 months now.

2. I did the site newbie routine for 1 month. I saw great P.I.s from it but no early gains. I was under the impression that I should have seen some sign of a gain in that first month. I could be wrong about that, but it seems that most people do.

3. I intensified my routine because my P.I.s were so good. My EQ stayed the same (10) and all of my other P.I.s stayed positive. I still didn’t gain.

4. I tossed out stretching out of my routine because I never feel like I get a good stretch no matter the direction I go. Long duration stretches cause me pain. I also tried an ADS and hurt myself. My dick turtled up for an entire day.

5. I started doing jelq only. I started out slow and slowly intensified. I still had a complete deck of positive P.I.s to go along with the jelq only routine. I still experienced no gains.

6. I decided to tinker with erection levels. No matter which level I use or how hard I grip, nothing seems to produce negative P.I.s. I also absolutely refuse to gain.

7. I decided to test the parameters. For 5 days straight, I jelqed at a 90% erection level for 45-60 minutes a day gripping extremely hard and forcing a lot of blood in. My penis would turn bright red. At the end of 5 days, I didn’t have the slightest bit of pain or discomfort. My dick also sprung up with ease at an erection level of 10/10. No loss in morning wood or night wood. My measurements stayed identical too.

8. My BPFSL is the same as my BPEL. It doesn’t move after I jelq. It doesn’t change one iota after I stretch. In fact, it (like my BPEL) doesn’t change at all.

So, basically, nothing works. #7 bothers me more than anything. You would think that nonsense like that would cause some sort of change. It didn’t. I know I’m new and inexperienced at PE. But all of these things must mean something. I’m really in a desperate plea for help here.

Please don’t come back with comments like “Give it more time.” That’s not a good answer. I don’t buy the argument that some people gain extremely slowly. I should have seen something by now and nobody will be able to convince my otherwise. Nobody. Also, I don’t want to hear “you didn’t stick to a single routine long enough.” Again, this is a bogus answer and has no merit. Conceptually, I have been doing the same thing for 4 months. I should have seen some sort of results by now, despite my frequent jumps.

I don’t mean to sound like a prick, but that has been the kind of advice I have been given recently and it’s not good advice because it simply hasn’t helped me. It’s a cop out. It basically means you want to help me, but you don’t have a good answer to give.

Above all else, if someone can logically explain to me why #7 can happen, then I’ll instantly wire you $100,000.

Relax, we’re here to help.

If you gain an inch of length in a year, you’ve been successful. If yours gains are evenly spread across the year, then five days will net you about a third of a millimeter, which is a bit more than the width of a single human eyelash.

Do you see where I’m going here?

Now, you seem to ‘tinker’ a bit, which is fine provided you consistently work with a routine long enough to evaluate the routine for results in terms of size and PIs. This period of time is at least one month. Have you been doing this, practically (not conceptually)?

There are better PEers here that will offer their advice, because that’s how we do things here. Don’t give up.

I’ll PM you with my account details.

You didn’t even lightly caress the issue presented in #7. No money for you.

Ok perhaps this is not the advice you want to hear, but in my humble opinion you should have kept doing the newbie routine for more time, it says you only did it for a month.

The newbie routine is fundamental for your penis to adapt and be able to grow through PE, that is why it is the routine all newbies begin with and it holds all the basics that should make you gain.

The idea that you should see some gains after the first month is just stupid, don’t buy all the “miraculous gains” that some members sometimes claim out of nowhere, some people just take more than others and that is just the way it is.

Basically in my opinion you did a lot of different exercises (newbie, ADS, jelqs, high erection jelqs, etc) but you didn’t give any of them enough time to produce gains, but more importantly if you just keep trying some extreme stuff like the last jelqs you were describing in number 7,you will end up hurting yourself.

If I were you I would take a week off for you to chill and relax, and to ensure you have some rest of that abuse you were doing to your penis, and then I would resume PE with the newbie routine, but this time stick to it for 4 months AT LEAST.

Good luck and you need to remain patient man, I know it is hard but don’t give up.

OK.

P.I’s are not the stepping stone for putting more exercises in your routine. It is a sign of doing something right. Kudos to those who gain real gains in a month, but most gains come from better erections the first month. And no most people do not gain in a month. Really what you were trying to accomplish, and why there is a extended period of three months with the newbie routine is two fold:

To condition your penis to get use to the exercises.
To learn how to do the exercises right.

Once again, you neglected to give enough time to learn proper technique and ditched stretching. Not a very smart idea. The ads incident should have been a clear sign that you are not very good at the technique you are using. Stretching does cause mild aches, but it should in no way hurt. Add stretching back into your routine and learn how to do it right. With proper warm up stretching should feel pretty good.

For 5 and 6 by now the answer should be obvious by now.

Here’s your money question revealed:
You obviously have a healthy penis. That’s a good thing. Given that you mucked about with jelqing for months your penis is conditioned pretty well. Add to that (and I really believe this to be true in your case) your technique is probably flawed all you did for those five days is play with your penis for a hour. So you are going to hear the dreaded "give it more time" but instead of doing what you are doing now take the time to really learn the technique involved with penis enlargement.

Find the sweet spot of stretching. Warm up very well before doing anything to your penis. Learn the technique. And before any of that take a break and let your penis de-condition!

Maybe since your penis is as conditioned as it is, you could consider more advanced routines. Hanging and clamping / pumping come to mind as things that people seem to have good success with.

Also, have you checked on the tutorials? Maybe there is a chance you’re doing an exercise wrong and thats why you’re not seeing results?

GatorLandon,

It took me around 4 months before I started gaining. Then I gained around an inch in length and some girth.
It was only after near a year of consistent PE that I could see and feel the difference.

Word of advice don’t quit the stretching.

Hope you gain soon !!

Gator you need to be relaxed when you do PE. Frustration will cause an injury. Tactics like #7 should only be done by seasoned vets and that is with great care given to attention to details.

Well, I ignore your length gains, you’ve pushed the ruler too far.. What about the girth gains? Are your girth data fake too? It’s no way to “push” too hard the tape around the shaft and find it larger!

OK, let’s talk about the length only. I see your frustration not gaining anything in 4 months, when most of us make most of the gains quite in the first months. I agree you have to change your routine to something else.

I have noticed two things in your original post that don’t fit in my views about PE: #4 and #8.

#4 - It seems that you are not the type of guy who makes length gains from jelqing, so stretching seems to be compulsory for you to gain lengths. My advise would be to experiment with different grips and find one to be comfortable with, then try to extend the duration of stretching till pain appears.

#8 - Several people reported this issue, but I can’t buy it. A simple estimation: The systolic blood pressure in the penian artery is around 110 mm Hg. Considering a median cross section of the penis for a girth of 5.5”, the pushing force of the erection evaluates to 2.3 kgf - equivalent to ~5 lbs. Add, or subtract 50%, it’s only an estimation. Who in the world (PE world, of course) is not capable of pulling his dick with a force of 5 lbs?! I guess anybody claiming BPFSL = BPEL either is afraid to pull enough, or is experiencing pain when pulling past BPEL.

I think you have very elastic tissues and you should make efforts to better resist to stretching.