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Newbie Routine Question

Originally Posted by EdgeWalker
Hello,

I don’t post much but follow the advice given by sta-kool and the other veterans here above.
As for my own addition, I’ve been doing this on/off for some time now and finally I’m serious
and dedicated, but for me the initial newbie routine is already too much is what I found out.

Take your time in finding the right routine for yourself and REALLY listen to your body, handle
those PI’s as you would handle the holy grail. Personally I’ve been working on my own routine
now for 4 months and finally I’m seeing some gains, although minimal. My point here is that it’s
important and difficult to find this ‘sweet-spot’ where gains occur, but very important nonetheless.

Hope it helps and good luck!

Well put edgewalker. I have heard of guys having problems with the newbie routine being too much. There is another newbie routine called the “linear newbie routine.” sta-kool loves this one. It is much less intense and builds you up to your limit. It’s great for finding the gains threshold.

As I stated above, I suspect you are not gaining due to under or over training. This is where it is up to you to monitor your pi’s and make adjustments accordingly.

I think it’s a great idea to go see your doctor like you stated you were considering above. If you take a look at some of the ED threads, you will find that there can be many reasons for ed occurring. That is why it’s not a bad idea to seek the help of a medical professional

Either way, keep us posted and we will do our best to help you out.

G

Originally Posted by EdgeWalker
Hello,

I don’t post much but follow the advice given by sta-kool and the other veterans here above.
As for my own addition, I’ve been doing this on/off for some time now and finally I’m serious
and dedicated, but for me the initial newbie routine is already too much is what I found out.

Take your time in finding the right routine for yourself and REALLY listen to your body, handle
those PI’s as you would handle the holy grail. Personally I’ve been working on my own routine
now for 4 months and finally I’m seeing some gains, although minimal. My point here is that it’s
important and difficult to find this ‘sweet-spot’ where gains occur, but very important nonetheless.

Hope it helps and good luck!

Hello EdgeWalker, thank you for your comment, I know you don’t post much, but it couldn’t have
come at a better time than now. as you have already read, we are trying to help xyz123 and find
some sort of insight of where help is needed most. It has come to my conclusion that he needs
to work on his ED first, then concentrated on PEing. He is too young to have this problem.

Can you do us a favor and post your Routine for xyz123 to view. Also, if you feel the need to
jump in and advise, please do so.

Originally Posted by xyz123
Tntjockey ,

Not had sex for over 10 years, had a bad experience (which I think was performance anxiety due to ED) and that has put me off ever since. Met a girl recently so this problem is a real concern but I think getting this sorted is more important in the long-term.

Masturbated last week accidentally whilst doing PE, had average erection. Have not masturbated for pleasure for over a month and I don’t intend to do so until this matter is sorted.

I am an only child who had working parents so looking at porn was not a problem as a youngster. Then it became a habit. Don’t get me wrong, I would not spend hours and hours watching a day but I could spend an hour a night and masturbate 2-3 times.

I think you are right about seeing a Doctor, I am going to book an appointment today.

G263,

ED was definitely present before PE, in fact it was one of the reasons I started. Been doing be PE properly for 2 months.

Thanks for your help everyone, much appreciated.

Cheers,

Rob

Okay Rob, I get it now. All I was trying to figure out why this ED issue was happening. Seeing a Doctor is the best Idea for you to do, since there may be other issues
contributing to your ED. The reason for all the questions from sta-kool, G263 and myself was that we were concerned that you are having ED issues at such a young age.

Work on that first, ED. See the Doctor, then come back to PEing. sta-kool may have a point as well, he mentioned that he thought you mat be over training, but you posted
that you had ED issues before and that you had a bad sex experience before. You don’t have to, but if you want to post the bad experience that might help. Either way, see
a Doctor and tell him/her everything, the porn issue, bad sex experience, the medication, tell the Doctor everything so that your Doctor can get to the root of the problem
immediately.

Hi again,

Here’s my routine as per request/insight:

I usually shower beforehand to warm up and then afterwards start my routine:

20 Kegels where I stretch straight out (the only function of the stretch here is to ‘feel’ your muscle tighten)
I follow up with stretching:
Straight out & Up: 25secs
Left & Right (slightly downwards): 40secs
Down: 50secs.
Afterwards I do 20 3-second jelqs and that’s it.
TOTAL time: 4 minutes

I am currently on a 2 on 1 off routine and make sure that I alternate ‘starting hands’ when
stretching to prevent any unwanted curvatures. I’m probably at the lower end of the region where
I can obtain gains, but it’s working and for 4 minutes a day I sure as hell am happy about it.

It is extremely short in terms of a routine, but it works for me. It resulted in an increase of EQ,
specifically hardness and all the PI’s are pointing at neutral/positive (I made minor minor gains in
a 3 weeks timeframe (0.3cm mid girth and 0.1-0.2cm BPEL)). Previously when I increased my
routine even slightly with 10 jelqs it resulted in a drop in EQ, but I am unsure whether or not this is
due to bad environment (sleep, food, etc) or the routine itself.

So my advice is to take it easy and every time you think of adding something to your routine
cut down instead. I made the error of being overzealous before and besides building up potential
injuries and/or resistance you won’t gain much. I would also advice you to not dedicate your life
to PE, but to being happy, where PE is one of the numerous things you do that makes you happy!

Originally Posted by EdgeWalker
Hi again,

Here’s my routine as per request/insight:

I usually shower beforehand to warm up and then afterwards start my routine:

20 Kegels where I stretch straight out (the only function of the stretch here is to ‘feel’ your muscle tighten)
I follow up with stretching:
Straight out & Up: 25secs
Left & Right (slightly downwards): 40secs
Down: 50secs.
Afterwards I do 20 3-second jelqs and that’s it.
TOTAL time: 4 minutes

I am currently on a 2 on 1 off routine and make sure that I alternate ‘starting hands’ when
stretching to prevent any unwanted curvatures. I’m probably at the lower end of the region where
I can obtain gains, but it’s working and for 4 minutes a day I sure as hell am happy about it.

It is extremely short in terms of a routine, but it works for me. It resulted in an increase of EQ,
specifically hardness and all the PI’s are pointing at neutral/positive (I made minor minor gains in
a 3 weeks timeframe (0.3cm mid girth and 0.1-0.2cm BPEL)). Previously when I increased my
routine even slightly with 10 jelqs it resulted in a drop in EQ, but I am unsure whether or not this is
due to bad environment (sleep, food, etc) or the routine itself.

So my advice is to take it easy and every time you think of adding something to your routine
cut down instead. I made the error of being overzealous before and besides building up potential
injuries and/or resistance you won’t gain much. I would also advice you to not dedicate your life
to PE, but to being happy, where PE is one of the numerous things you do that makes you happy!

Very good post, EdgeWalker. You need to post more often. When reading this post, EdgeWalker, I felt your compassion. Your advise and encourage
I very much welcomed. You are doing a somewhat modified routine to suit what works for you and I encouarge you to reach out to the newbies and
school the about the overzealous attemps to add more when more is not needed.

Thank you EdgeWalker. Guys like you need to come out more and share with others that may kind of be in your situation.

Rob, can you take a look at

Originally Posted by EdgeWalker
Hi again,

Here’s my routine as per request/insight:

I usually shower beforehand to warm up and then afterwards start my routine:

20 Kegels where I stretch straight out (the only function of the stretch here is to ‘feel’ your muscle tighten)
I follow up with stretching:
Straight out & Up: 25secs
Left & Right (slightly downwards): 40secs
Down: 50secs.
Afterwards I do 20 3-second jelqs and that’s it.
TOTAL time: 4 minutes

I am currently on a 2 on 1 off routine and make sure that I alternate ‘starting hands’ when
stretching to prevent any unwanted curvatures. I’m probably at the lower end of the region where
I can obtain gains, but it’s working and for 4 minutes a day I sure as hell am happy about it.

It is extremely short in terms of a routine, but it works for me. It resulted in an increase of EQ,
specifically hardness and all the PI’s are pointing at neutral/positive (I made minor minor gains in
a 3 weeks timeframe (0.3cm mid girth and 0.1-0.2cm BPEL)). Previously when I increased my
routine even slightly with 10 jelqs it resulted in a drop in EQ, but I am unsure whether or not this is
due to bad environment (sleep, food, etc) or the routine itself.

So my advice is to take it easy and every time you think of adding something to your routine
cut down instead. I made the error of being overzealous before and besides building up potential
injuries and/or resistance you won’t gain much. I would also advice you to not dedicate your life
to PE, but to being happy, where PE is one of the numerous things you do that makes you happy!

Very good post, EdgeWalker. You need to post more often. When reading this post, EdgeWalker, I felt your compassion. Your advise and encourage
I very much welcomed. You are doing a somewhat modified routine to suit what works for you and I encouarge you to reach out to the newbies and
school the about the overzealous attemps to add more when more is not needed.

Thank you EdgeWalker. Guys like you need to come out more and share with others that may kind of be in your situation.

Rob, can you take a look at EdgeWalker’s routine? Just look at it.

Originally Posted by xyz123

I have had the ED for at least 5 years but put it down to antidepressants (which I am now off). It was not until last year that the penny dropped and I realised it was more likely due to 15 years of frequent porn use.

Not had sex for over 10 years, had a bad experience (which I think was performance anxiety due to ED) and that has put me off ever since. Met a girl recently so this problem is a real concern but I think getting this sorted is more important in the long-term.

Seeing a doctor to rule out an organic cause for the ED is a great idea. Keep us posted.

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Since you mentioned both Porn and Performance anxiety, I thought of this quote from Daniel Rose. He wrote an interesting book called The Sex God Method.

Here is what he has to say about Porn and performance anxiety:

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Does Size Matter?
http://sexgodmethod.com/blog/sex/17…es-size-matter/

Does size matter? Yes and no, but mostly no.

There’s myths out there that larger cocks provide better physical stimulation (”hit spots that a smaller dick can’t). This simply isn’t true.

Think about the vibrators and dildos that are sold for women to masturbate with. The vast majority of dildos that are sold are between five and six inches, with proportional girth — the size of an average penis. The twelve inch monster cocks are relegated to the joke section.

You can see then, that a bigger dick doesn’t provide any extra physical stimulation. Otherwise, women would choose larger sized sex toys.

<SNIP>

So then, why is penis size such a frequent insecurity among men? The reason is that it is a vicious cycle among guys who don’t get laid very much. Their only sexual outlet is internet porn, which almost always features guys with freakishly large cocks. Seeing that size is the measure of your worth in the porn world, they begin to think that size is the measure of your worth in the real world too. This causes them to become insecure about their “merely” average sized penis.

When they do have sex with a girl, their insecurities ruin their Immersion. That is, they start to think and worry in bed, instead of just enjoying the experience and being in the moment. This makes them perform poorly in bed.

But, they don’t recognize that the reason why they are performing poorly is because of their insecurities caused by this limiting belief. Instead, they take their sexual failure as evidence that their beliefs about penis size are true.

They then go back and masturbate to porn that stars guys with even bigger dicks, and the vicious cycle continues.

<MORE AT LINK>

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Last edited by sta-kool : 03-04-2015 at .

Everyone above,

Thank you ever so much for your help and compassion.

I knew this was a friendly and helpful forum but I am blown away by the desire to help me. I hope that I can reciprocate this one day when I am “fixed” as I’m a big believer in karma.

I will give EdgeWalkers routine a try, it certainly cannot do any harm! Thanks for sharing this on the forum.

I have seen my Doctor today and he sent me off for blood tests which I have had done. I should have the results shortly. He has tested for the usual suspects such as low testosterone etc and did not seem to think that looking at porn was an issue (I was honest about how much I looked at). He did state that anti—depressants could have had a massive effect on my penile function but the effects should have worn off by now since I have been off them for 2 months. There were no further comments at this stage apart from he thought this likely to be a psychological issue which would figure as quite frankly my head is a mess on a number of levels!

With regards to my bad experience this is a fairly simple affair. I was seeing a girl and we started to have sex, I could get an erection but not a good one. She seemed very uninterested and basically stopped. We tried the next morning and the same happened again, to the point I actually turned some porn on in front off her to try and get myself going. This was my first time and it has haunted me since especially as I have low self-confidence with women as I have image problems. I have not attempted to be intimate since despite having opportunities with some really nice women.

I suffered burnout in my mid-twenties and spiraled into depression which was not helped by a very stressful job, Porn became a tool to help me get through but looking back it was probably the worst thing I could have done.

Whilst I know life is for living, I do need to get over these issues first before I can try and have a relationship. The difference now is that I have seen the light and am determined to make things happen rather than feeling sorry for myself.

Sorry I have gone really off topic here spouting my life story but hopefully if there is anyone else out there with similar issues in the future they can at least know they are not alone and hopefully see some positive outcomes on my front so they know they can do the same!

Cheers,

Rob


Last edited by xyz123 : 03-04-2015 at .

Not off topic at all! Your bad experience reminded me of another bit of performance anxiety advice.

Thunders member Yataghan50 used to have an excellent blog about treating retarded ejaculation. That is not an issue for you, but he’s got a good section dealing with Performance Anxiety

It is not on the internet any more, but I saved the section on Performance Anxiety:

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The next issue is performance anxiety. I always had issues with being ‘the best’. I’d rather avoid sex than be known as someone who was sexually incompetent. This was a vicious cycle, because going through a phase of sexual incompetence is a necessary step in becoming sexually confident.

At 17, when I tried to have sex for the first time I didn’t actually lose my virginity - I was so nervous I didn’t erect. I was humiliated. I didn’t try again until I was 18. At this point, I was so focused on pleasing the woman, and not letting myself down, my own pleasure became completely irrelevant. I didn’t have sex for pleasure, but for experience. Just so I didn’t feel like a chump. I found that the motions were enough to keep me erect, but never did I feel close to orgasm, never did I enter that state of mind. In fact, since I was so wrapped up in my own performance and had underlying anxiety, there was no way I could reach orgasm in a mutual sexual situation - even with my own hand.

Since learning to cum from the fleshlight, and subsequently with women I now go into sex with orgasm in mind…as any normal person would :) . I’m selfish. I don’t mind if I don’t conform to the unrealistic standards I set for myself. I just do whatever feels good. While I had a very strong ego before, and would worry about messing up, now I just aim for pleasure. Which leads on to the next point…

Lack of arousal. This is a tough one. During sex, the motion was enough, even thought it felt awkward, to keep me erect. The penis, however remained numb. This is where a change in attitude comes in. When I’m with a girl, I’m generally thinking about what feels good for me. I don’t mind if massaging her ass during making out may seem poor form. I don’t care if stroking my own penis may seem poor form. It gets me aroused, so I do it. You have to be selfish, simple as that….ad you have to try and get to that ‘false point of no return’

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Very interesting post, thanks for retrieving it from the archives!

I can certainly see some parallels on the thought process front. It’s stupid, I am more concerned about the others persons thoughts than my own pleasure. How silly!

Cheers,

Rob

Originally Posted by xyz123
Everyone above,

Thank you ever so much for your help and compassion.

I knew this was a friendly and helpful forum but I am blown away by the desire to help me. I hope that I can reciprocate this one day when I am “fixed” as I’m a big believer in karma.

I will give EdgeWalkers routine a try, it certainly cannot do any harm! Thanks for sharing this on the forum.

I have seen my Doctor today and he sent me off for blood tests which I have had done. I should have the results shortly. He has tested for the usual suspects such as low testosterone etc and did not seem to think that looking at porn was an issue (I was honest about how much I looked at). He did state that anti—depressants could have had a massive effect on my penile function but the effects should have worn off by now since I have been off them for 2 months. There were no further comments at this stage apart from he thought this likely to be a psychological issue which would figure as quite frankly my head is a mess on a number of levels!

With regards to my bad experience this is a fairly simple affair. I was seeing a girl and we started to have sex, I could get an erection but not a good one. She seemed very uninterested and basically stopped. We tried the next morning and the same happened again, to the point I actually turned some porn on in front off her to try and get myself going. This was my first time and it has haunted me since especially as I have low self-confidence with women as I have image problems. I have not attempted to be intimate since despite having opportunities with some really nice women.

I suffered burnout in my mid-twenties and spiraled into depression which was not helped by a very stressful job, Porn became a tool to help me get through but looking back it was probably the worst thing I could have done.

Whilst I know life is for living, I do need to get over these issues first before I can try and have a relationship. The difference now is that I have seen the light and am determined to make things happen rather than feeling sorry for myself.

Sorry I have gone really off topic here spouting my life story but hopefully if there is anyone else out there with similar issues in the future they can at least know they are not alone and hopefully see some positive outcomes on my front so they know they can do the same!

Cheers,

Rob

I am actually happy for you.You are starting to broaden your vision now and letting go of the tunnel vision. Strive to get healthy, get the things that are going to make you happy, but nothing is going to be given to you, you are going to have to work for it, and it may be hard work Just know that there will always be obstacles, but know about obstacles right? Obstacles bring out your character, you either work your way through the obstacles and get past them, or you let them get the best of you and beat you. You yourself posted, “life is for the living”.

Just to follow up on what tnt said:

Originally Posted by xyz123
Whilst I know life is for living, I do need to get over these issues first before I can try and have a relationship. The difference now is that I have seen the light and am determined to make things happen rather than feeling sorry for myself.
That is great attitude, and getting that determination is half the battle. I am am definitely rooting for you, We’re all works in progress here.

Originally Posted by xyz123
Everyone above,

Thank you ever so much for your help and compassion.

I knew this was a friendly and helpful forum but I am blown away by the desire to help me. I hope that I can reciprocate this one day when I am “fixed” as I’m a big believer in karma.

I will give EdgeWalkers routine a try, it certainly cannot do any harm! Thanks for sharing this on the forum.

I have seen my Doctor today and he sent me off for blood tests which I have had done. I should have the results shortly. He has tested for the usual suspects such as low testosterone etc and did not seem to think that looking at porn was an issue (I was honest about how much I looked at). He did state that anti—depressants could have had a massive effect on my penile function but the effects should have worn off by now since I have been off them for 2 months. There were no further comments at this stage apart from he thought this likely to be a psychological issue which would figure as quite frankly my head is a mess on a number of levels!

With regards to my bad experience this is a fairly simple affair. I was seeing a girl and we started to have sex, I could get an erection but not a good one. She seemed very uninterested and basically stopped. We tried the next morning and the same happened again, to the point I actually turned some porn on in front off her to try and get myself going. This was my first time and it has haunted me since especially as I have low self-confidence with women as I have image problems. I have not attempted to be intimate since despite having opportunities with some really nice women.

I suffered burnout in my mid-twenties and spiraled into depression which was not helped by a very stressful job, Porn became a tool to help me get through but looking back it was probably the worst thing I could have done.

Whilst I know life is for living, I do need to get over these issues first before I can try and have a relationship. The difference now is that I have seen the light and am determined to make things happen rather than feeling sorry for myself.

Sorry I have gone really off topic here spouting my life story but hopefully if there is anyone else out there with similar issues in the future they can at least know they are not alone and hopefully see some positive outcomes on my front so they know they can do the same!

Cheers,

Rob

Keep us posted. Continue to post your experience on your current situation and I promise in doing so, you will reciprocate this one day when you are “fixed”, with this thread. So please, keep updating this thread.

Thanks Rob, good luck and continue to now look forward to a better and happier life. I have faith in you sir.

Thanks everyone for the encouragement, it has really helped me .

I should get my blood test results on Monday, it will be interesting to see what they have to say.. Of course I will give you the details when they are in.

Cheers,

Rob

Originally Posted by xyz123
Thanks everyone for the encouragement, it has really helped me .

I should get my blood test results on Monday, it will be interesting to see what they have to say.. Of course I will give you the details when they are in.

Cheers,

Rob

We look forward to that post. The results are the beginning of it will be needed to fix things.

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