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Newbie - questions and concerns

Hi, this is my first post on the forum.

I’m very new to this and have a few questions for which I’m hoping for some honest answers and guidance.

I recently started out on a newbie type routine but only jelqed rather than stretched. I jelqed about 5 days out of 7 for approx 10-15 mins each time. I didn’t count strokes as I felt like I really had to focus and watch porn to stay in the zone. Anyway, I stopped doing it after reading a bit about injuries, valves and risks. I thought, it can’t be worth the risk. However about 2 weeks later, I was about to have sex with my girlfriend for the first time since before trying the jelqing and she commented on how it seemed a bit bigger than the usual. Now I hadn’t noticed the change myself really but hearing this gave me a real kick if I’m honest.

So, due to the ego boost, I would like to keep doing it if possible but I would like honest opinions on how much of a risk this is and the best way to go about doing it safely. Is there anyway to guarantee safety? I didn’t experience any soreness etc when doing the Jelqs.

Another question I have is in relation to ejaculating. Is it detrimental to ejaculate at the end of every jelqing session. It would be easier to work in masturbation with the PE if possible as it’s definitely a lot more efficient use of time than spending many hours a day touching my junk for differing reasons.

The main thing though is safety and not damaging my penis. I’m happy to just Jelq and get an extra half inch thickness really.

Thanks.

Some follow the idea that ejacualting every session isnt so good.
I hold the edge and it keeps me horny all the time and motivated for PE and real sex is then much better.

So IMO edging throughout and after the session without ejacualting is best. You will also have more erections throughout the day.
But there are people who gained nontheless ejac. every day..

So congrats on the comments. Interesting that she noticed but you not.

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The risks:
If you read the injury forum you willl see that there is certainly a risk to PE.
But most are just fine espacially when staying in low intensity territory.
Overall, if done right, PE is providing better penile health IMO.
Still most health practioners wont say its a good thing at all.

I mean if you pressure so hard your dick blasts off or rip on it like its a tree then obviously you get injured.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Some follow the idea that ejacualting every session isnt so good.
I hold the edge and it keeps me horny all the time and motivated for PE and real sex is then much better.

So IMO edging throughout and after the session without ejacualting is best. You will also have more erections throughout the day.
But there are people who gained nontheless ejac. Every day..

So congrats on the comments. Interesting that she noticed but you not.

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The risks:
If you read the injury forum you willl see that there is certainly a risk to PE.
But most are just fine espacially when staying in low intensity territory.
Overall, if done right, PE is providing better penile health IMO.
Still most health practioners won’t say its a good thing at all.

I mean if you pressure so hard your dick blasts off or rip on it like its a tree then obviously you get injured.

Thank you very much for the response.

I don’t really know what edging is but I will take a look into it. I find it very difficult and psychologically difficult to go for a while without ejaculating. I masturbate almost everyday and I’m almost 35.

With regards to injury, is there a certain erection level that would be considered the safe zone for Jelqing?

Also can I ask, by altering our penis to receive more blood etc, even without injuries are we technically causing damage to the penis? Or is there damage and repair/strengthening process that makes it even stronger? If so is such a process proven?

In terms of stretching, I can’t bring myself to consider it yet. I just don’t like the idea of pulling something out of the body. Doesn’t quite sit comfortably with me so I’m not ready to try that as of yet. The jelqing didn’t feel like anything too extreme.. But I don’t know.

It sounds like you had some newbie EQ gains. Jelqing should help that. Everyone performs the exercises and reacts differently. You seemed to have found a level that works in your daily routine and helps your EQ so I’d just go back to what you were doing.


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Originally Posted by myaveragedong
Thank you very much for the response.

I don’t really know what edging is but I will take a look into it. I find it very difficult and psychologically difficult to go for a while without ejaculating. I masturbate almost everyday and I’m almost 35.

With regards to injury, is there a certain erection level that would be considered the safe zone for Jelqing?

Also can I ask, by altering our penis to receive more blood etc, even without injuries are we technically causing damage to the penis? Or is there damage and repair/strengthening process that makes it even stronger? If so is such a process proven?

In terms of stretching, I can’t bring myself to consider it yet. I just don’t like the idea of pulling something out of the body. Doesn’t quite sit comfortably with me so I’m not ready to try that as of yet. The jelqing didn’t feel like anything too extreme.. But I don’t know.

Edging is what you need to maintain going without ejac. Its basicly masturbation training. search it up.
If you are goin to cum. Dick out of hand stand up and do something else for some minutes.(works best lol)

Lower errection level is what you want when starting out. 20%-60%
But you can do more damage at 10% as with 100%. Its all about the intensity of your hands and how you tune into it with awareness checking for penis feedback constantly

The whole forum is full of theory 15 years of discussions. There is no 100% conformity on the science. The moment you go above your elastic limit you create some sort of damage. This damage should be so minimal that it wont heal as scar tissue. Thats why you want to do the lowest itnensity necessary to gain. To find that intensity is the goal of PE(check the linear newbie routine..its all about this)

Well, people move trucks and heavy stones with their dicks. dick can take much. Extreme is relative. PE is about conditioning. Thats what the newbie routines are for. Some of us can hang heavy without any danger for injury cause the dick is used to it.
You start with low intensity and low time.
Then you increase time until maximized and then increase intensity at lower time and then again time at that intensity.

But PE is not for everyone and if you do PE for results you will experience some discoloration or penis fatigue where you might have problems getting it up for a day(but might come back even higher EQ).
If that freaks you out and panicky PE is nothing for you.
People like this in the injury forum are also the ones who dont do it for too long or never gain cause of too much anxiety.
Anyway there are many gainers without any injurys or problems at all and no one did loose its dick yet lol
saying as it is ;)

Thanks Guys. I will continue back on what I was doing whilst checking up on the linear routine. Intensity is something I want to learn about as I definitely don’t want to do any damage.

I’ll also look into edging. I’m not entirely sure of what the purpose of it is yet. I don’t feel like I’m going to ejac or anything when I was doing Jelqs, I just got some excitement from it where I could have whacked it off properly at the end lol.

Originally Posted by myaveragedong
Thanks Guys. I will continue back on what I was doing whilst checking up on the linear routine. Intensity is something I want to learn about as I definitely don’t want to do any damage.

I’ll also look into edging. I’m not entirely sure of what the purpose of it is yet. I don’t feel like I’m going to ejac or anything when I was doing Jelqs, I just got some excitement from it where I could have whacked it off properly at the end lol.


You do edging during or after your routine to fill in the expansion you created prior.
You dont wank to ejac within 5 minutes. You edge for 10 minutesup to 1 hour withoutcumming
Has several benefits. Filling out the expansion and flushing the dick with healthy blood beeing the main one.
ejacualtion control/training is another one.

For me its astaple in PE and should be part of every semi advanced routine.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
You do edging during or after your routine to fill in the expansion you created prior.
You don’t wank to ejac within 5 minutes. You edge for 10 minutesup to 1 hour withoutcumming
Has several benefits. Filling out the expansion and flushing the dick with healthy blood beeing the main one.
Ejacualtion control/training is another one.

For me its astaple in PE and should be part of every semi advanced routine.

Definitely need to do more research to understand this expansion etc.

Ejac control I think I only need if it helps me to be quicker lol.

I think the main thing for me to learn is what is a suitable intensity. I don’t really have any comprehension for what is too light and too heavy.

I also wonder if it is good to continue kegeling between Jelq reps on this newbie routine? Or should I try without for a while?

I was kegelling previously when I did the week.

Originally Posted by myaveragedong
I also wonder if it is good to continue kegeling between Jelq reps on this newbie routine? Or should I try without for a while?

I was kegelling previously when I did the week.

Kegeling is good but too much in only one way can destabilize the pelvic floor. Read up on reverse kegels.
But if they feel good for you then do them with your routine. I kegel with every routine.

Originally Posted by myaveragedong
Definitely need to do more research to understand this expansion etc.

Ejac control I think I only need if it helps me to be quicker lol.

I think the main thing for me to learn is what is a suitable intensity. I don’t really have any comprehension for what is too light and too heavy.


Yes.. it helps to research the stuff we talk about so you know what you are doing. Thunders is a gold mine of information.

Intensity, thats what the newbie routine and espacially the linear newbie routine are for.
To gauge the intensity necessary to gain. Thats very individual and the most important skill in PE.
Thats why you start very low intensity and observe how you react.
In my sig you have a link about Physiologic Indicators which is a must read imo .

Also some of the Progress Reports have good information.
Big Gainer Highlights another good thread.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Kegeling is good but too much in only one way can destabilize the pelvic floor. Read up on reverse kegels.
But if they feel good for you then do them with your routine. I kegel with every routine.

Yes.. It helps to research the stuff we talk about so you know what you are doing. Thunders is a gold mine of information.

Intensity, thats what the newbie routine and espacially the linear newbie routine are for.
To gauge the intensity necessary to gain. Thats very individual and the most important skill in PE.
Thats why you start very low intensity and observe how you react.
In my sig you have a link about Physiologic Indicators which is a must read imo .

Also some of the Progress Reports have good information.
Big Gainer Highlights another good thread.

Thanks again for the pointers. The PI thread was a good read.

I started again last night. My aim was 5 mins of jelqing, however I feel it takes me a good 3 or 4 minutes to get into my groove first. It ended up being about 8 minutes in total Jelqing.

I felt like the intensity was to a productive level, I could have went much harder but didn’t. My junk was very pumped at the end.

One thing I did realise is that my reps previously were quicker than 3 seconds. When I actually looked at clock and performed a 3 second jelq it seemed pretty slow.. But good. Not sure whether to do what I was doing before or do them all for 3 seconds.

Sounds good, thats what you are looking for.

Over some time the observations make more sense and you can classify them better.
For example no morning wood for me today, which might be a bad indicator for my exercise yesterday. But instead I have a very fleshy full fat healthy hang all morning. This actually is an even better indicator then a normal morning wood for me.

The only really clear indicator if you are in gaining territory is reading bigger numbers on the ruler.

Originally Posted by dickerschwanz
Sounds good, thats what you are looking for.

Over some time the observations make more sense and you can classify them better.
For example no morning wood for me today, which might be a bad indicator for my exercise yesterday. But instead I have a very fleshy full fat healthy hang all morning. This actually is an even better indicator then a normal morning wood for me.

The only really clear indicator if you are in gaining territory is reading bigger numbers on the ruler.

Makes sense. I’m going to have to start paying attention to mines. I hardly even look at it or give it much thought really.

Will also need to measure to track gains. I don’t know what it measures exactly length wise, will need to get a ruler. Measured the circumference at 5 inches last night. Length will be in the 5. 75 region. When I hit 6 then I know I’ll have made progress anyway.

I have an upward curve, do I need to straighten it out to measure it? Straightening it would make it slightly longer I would imagine.

Also wondering about straightening it out or not. With curve I’m around 6.75 nbp but if I straighten so no curve I hit 7.2-3

Hello again.

Well I introduced some stretching into my routine this afternoon. Just 5 x 30 second stretches. Something I noticed is that my glans was a bit skinned at the end, I.e. There was some slight flaking of the skin. I performed the stretches with my foreskin over the head. Is this flaking to be expected?

I also wonder about the grip. I used a finger/thumb grip, however, it felt a bit like I was squeezing onto the one area in order to pull, should I use a bit more than finger and thumb to distribute the force along the penis to a greater degree? I’m not entirely sure where I was feeling the stretch. I presume that it should be in at the body rather than around the glans?

Finally, whilst jelqing, does anybody else experience a gradual drop in erection level and need to masturbate a bit to get it aroused again? I don’t have any issues with erections during sex but I guess PE doesn’t stimulate excitement in the same way.

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