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Negative PIs possibly

Negative PIs possibly

So I am 3 weeks in and I’m having some troubles.

My EQ has always been fair at around an 8. After 3 weeks in, I feel my EQ has dropped honestly to about a 6. I used to get hard just playing around with myself for a little bit but now I have to turn on the really hardcore porn to get it at a 7! And even still, it’s hard for me to keep that erection (I’m talking about losing it in 15 - 20 seconds) I measured again and I’m still at 7”, possibly 7.1” but it took me almost 5 - 10 mins to get me hard enough to measure. I am starting to feel some soreness in the penis. Nothing bad but still a slight soreness. I feel like I’m shrinking more than I’m growing but this could be because of the poor EQ (I don’t think I’m really shrinking, or hope not anyways).

My routine consists of:

5 Min Hot Warmup
150 - 200 Wet Jelqs (Medium to Strong Grip at 60 - 80%)
5 Min Stretching (All directions)
5 Min V-Stretches (All directions, at base and mid-shaft)
5 Min Warm down/ Cool down

+Light stretches throughout the day.

Am I working too hard? Should I tone it down a bit even though I’ve seen VERY MINIMAL results?
I really need these increases but after feeling this soreness and noticing my EQ drop a lot, id say I’m willing to tone down my exercises if need be. If these are neutral PIs, should I await the results of month 2?

Any help is appreciated, thanks a lot!


START NBPEL: 6.5", BPEL: 7", EG: 5.4"

NOW NBPEL: 7.25", BPEL: 8.25", EG: 5.9"

NEW GOAL NBPEL: 7.5", BPEL: 8.5", EG: 6.25"

Read my EQ thread, it will be helpful. Many times minimal results ARE because of doing too much!

EQ ( my take on it) is a combination of the state of your smooth muscle and strength of BC muscle (or the muscles that kegels strengthen).

Smooth muscle contracts when over traumatized, and results in smaller flaccid and the inability to relax. Relaxation is needed for erection and a full heavy flaccid.

The other cause can be a weak BC due to either over training or under training. However this usually just result is weaker erections and not shrinkage of the flaccid.

Sometimes it is a combination of both.

In most cases here at Thunders, you have just beat the crap out of your smooth muscle and need to let them recover. Usually, just lay off everything for a few days until your flaccid starts looking more normal and EQ moves back up to a better level.

When your EQ drops that much, it is a sure sign that your workout is way too much. Its best to cut it in half and see what happens. After the layoff, EQ should come back up, if after a few days of restarting your PE it starts to drop again…it is still too much.

I think between carefully watching your EQ and flaccid, you can be fairly sensitive to when you are on the money with your training or doing too much. I think changes in flaccid will show much quicker than EQ, and give an early warning.

For most guys, when they are in the growth zone, or at least close…they tend to have a full and heavy flaccid. When this starts to shrink and it is starting to be less than usual, it can be either too much PE or you might need to slightly increase it. IF it is too much PE, you will also start to see decrease of EQ. If it is too little PE, EQ stays pretty good.

If you use flaccid and EQ observation, all you need to add is checking your bpfsl a few times a week or once a day, and you will have a great system to monitor gains, at least for length. Girth is a little trickier, because it is harder to measure accurately, but if you are gaining it will become obvious.

Thanks so much Sparky. I have read that EQ thread before but I will go over it again.

Just from what you’ve said here I can tell I’m probably over-training it. My flaccid does seem smaller than usual. It’s usually at 4.4” and it’s now around 4.0”. In my second and beginning of my third week I did have that really full and heavy flaccid feeling and I had a good morning wood. Halfway through my third week until now (just starting fourth ) I have noticed, as stated above, a smaller flaccid and lower EQ. I am clearly just one of those ambitious starters but this has scared me enough that I’m willing to wait a year even for a 1” gain.

I forgot to include that I was doing basically no kegels after the second week. Could this be one of the main contributing factors to my problem?

Last questions. Should I take a couple of days off? Or should I wait until I see my EQ increase again (however long that is). After the recovery, should I reduce my workout from 5 days on 1 Day off TO 2 days on 1 day off?
Also if I do this, should I reduce the intensity?


START NBPEL: 6.5", BPEL: 7", EG: 5.4"

NOW NBPEL: 7.25", BPEL: 8.25", EG: 5.9"

NEW GOAL NBPEL: 7.5", BPEL: 8.5", EG: 6.25"


Last edited by jmunz : 04-01-2008 at .

Doing kegels won’t stress your smooth muscle, so you can do them during a layoff. Just remember they are muscles, so you can over work them too.

As far as your workout, try cutting it in half, the 2 on 1 off is a good start, then judge by EQ and flaccid to see if you need to cut intensity also. The big newbie mistake with jelqing is to try and rip their dicks off with it.

Haha. I’m probably using too strong of a grip but today I measured and my BPFSL is now at 7.5” while my BPEL remains the same at 7” (7.1 maybe, not being to generous at the moment). Maybe this means something? We’ll see after my rest days. Ill keep you updated sparky. Thanks for all the help so far.


START NBPEL: 6.5", BPEL: 7", EG: 5.4"

NOW NBPEL: 7.25", BPEL: 8.25", EG: 5.9"

NEW GOAL NBPEL: 7.5", BPEL: 8.5", EG: 6.25"

Originally Posted by sparkyx
Doing kegels won’t stress your smooth muscle, so you can do them during a layoff. Just remember they are muscles, so you can over work them too.

As far as your workout, try cutting it in half, the 2 on 1 off is a good start, then judge by EQ and flaccid to see if you need to cut intensity also. The big newbie mistake with jelqing is to try and rip their dicks off with it.


I think you’d have to do a whole lot of Kegeling to be in danger of overworking the BC. As I understand it, the BC muscle is very much like the abdominals in that it can be worked everyday (fairly strenuously in the case of abs) and not be overtaxed. There was a period where I was doing hundreds of Kegels in a day, every day, for several weeks; it was fine. The wood just got more solid. I gave it up, because I found that a 50 or 100 a day was just as good. :leftie:

But apart from this minor point I agree with you, sparkyx, he should do less in the way of PE overall. :)

Often we get so psyched and gung-ho that we end up pushing the limits without realizing it, but PI’s don’t lie. It’s the body sending a message. Heed it.


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

Kegels are so important! I used to PE a lot, with minimal kegels. I saw gains, but lately I’ve been focused on them. Anytime I’m sitting; bars, work, home, video games, etc. The last few days I could not believe how hard I got. Morning wood takes a while to go away. And after just a little jelqing, it’s like my dick is on creatine.

I’m not scientist, but I would think if you’ve expanded the tissues and blood vessels, you need more blood to reach the same level of hardness. The PC muscle must help push and hold blood in your penis. When you flex your pc, it jumps and pumps up right? So a stronger PC, even when relaxed, is able to hold more blood. PC flexes my friend.speaking of which.


Jelq, ADS, repeat.

Final Goal: 8EL x 6.2

Must...think...long...term.

Aha, all this morning i have been doing 50 - 100 kegels a class. I believe it’s already working as I can see myself starting to get that full and heavy feeling again but just to keep it safe I’m going to lay off my new revised routine until the weekend.

Mr.Happy, I think thats what happened to me. Ive heard about all these people gaining in 4 months and I thought wouldn’t it be great if I was 3/4 of the way to the 2” club by that time!? But now I have realized that if I really want the goals I’m going for, I’m gonna have to turn this into a lifestyle. Even though this isn’t serious, I’ve learned my lesson. :) My girl can wait for me to get bigger.


START NBPEL: 6.5", BPEL: 7", EG: 5.4"

NOW NBPEL: 7.25", BPEL: 8.25", EG: 5.9"

NEW GOAL NBPEL: 7.5", BPEL: 8.5", EG: 6.25"

Gaining an inch in four months can happen, but it’s unusual.

With PE slow and steady has been shown to win the race more frequently than anything else - at least as far as my experience personally and my reading of the anecdotal evidence here.

Don’t get so greedy for results that you beat your dick up in process. It’s a balancing act.


Before: I'd like to show you something I'm very proud of, but you'll have to move real close.

After: I\'d like to show you something I\'m very proud of, but you guys in the front row will have to stand back.

God gave men both a penis and a brain, but unfortunately not enough blood supply to run both at the same time. - Robin Williams (:

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