Originally Posted by Audacia
I was actually directing that at another guy! But I don’t blame either of you, I would of joined at 13 had I known about this stuff :) I’d say if you work hard and stay consistent for a year you can make an inch in length and half an inch in girth. When I say hard you really need to care a lot about it and stick at it or you won’t gain that much. After that first year it becomes increasingly hard to gain. I haven’t gained much girth but getting am close to a 1.5 inches in length gain. I’m sure if I clamped and pumped plenty it would be easy enough to gain girth though. Oh but my girth gains are permanent, even when I stopped jelqing and all girth type work for months I retained my increased size.
The reason saiyan and titlest stick out as you so put it is because they quite literally stick out more than virtually everyone else on this forum and are active contributors. It 100% is not just swelling, swelling and lymph fluid build up when these people are doing loads of crazy routines but essentially they are stretching out the tunica allowing for more blood to be held in the penis. Big girth gains can be gotten, then when the rest is taken and the swelling is gone, there size will remain.
Oh and I’ve kept track of my dick measurements with a soft penis tape because I have a curve and it’s still present so none of my length gains came from ‘straightening of that’. I think you’re far to skeptical and assume the worst. Let the original poster think positively, positive thoughts equal positive results. Just work hard if you care about it!
I have stated multiple times that some people appear to gain around an inch in length, but for most this does not happen. I’m not being negative, just read through the forums and see what most people report. I developed a realistic perspective after investigating claims and tracking posts. I didn’t limit myself to just thundersplace, I found the same results in PEgym, cheekycherries, Betterman, Mattersofsize, and other smaller forums. Thunders actually has the best evidence of any PE forum. Evidence has weight, people can make claims but without pictures and a standardized procedure for documentation the evidence has very little weight. Braindrain did an admirable job tracking his progress, although I personally believe his girth gains are mainly due to puberty because of his starting age.
In regards to plastic deformation of the tunica albuginea, there is absolutely no evidence of this occurring. In fact, the only place you will find it mentioned is on PE sites and forums. The tunica albuginea is only .25-.5 mm thick during an erection vs. about 2 mm when flaccid, which is why injuries occur much easier to an erect penis compared to a flaccid one. Furthermore, being only .25-.5 mm thick there is no way the tissue is going expand significantly even over a long period of time. One pump study that sought to determine if pumps could lead to penis enlargement tracked people for 6 months, yet still noted no gains. Pumping engorges the tunica albuginea with blood forcing the tissue to maximum expansion and would have the most promising effect on “stretching the tunica”, but even it had no effect. Jelqing does not force as much blood into the tunica albuginea as a pump. How do I know this? Because jelqing does not cause an erection. When a significant amount of blood enters the tunica albuginea an erection occurs because the blood fills the chamber and forces the tissue to expand. When the tissue expands to a maximum the tissue appears hard just like when you blow up a beach ball. Jelqing does not cause this unless you are becoming aroused by the motion, then the erection is not mechanically induced its naturally induced just as in sex or masturbation.
The medical community does not believe in penis enlargement because there is no evidence for penis enlargement. Even the surgical procedures are not accepted. Its not because penis enlargement is taboo, breast enlargement has blown up and is generally regarding as acceptable. Why then are penis enlargement procedures not getting the same attention? Its because no safe and effective procedure has been validated and standardized like what has occurred in breast enlargement. When and if a procedure for penis enlargement is proven to be safe and effective there will be a surge in both surgeons practicing and patients demanding penis augmentation, until then it will remain shunned by the medical community.
As for any possible non-surgical enlargement studies that may show some signs of penile lengthening are extender studies in Europe. However, those studies have had there legitimacy questioned in a thread here by various members including one who claimed to be a statistician. I am not talking about the garbage andromedical studies either, the studies discussed within the thread were supposedly “independently” conducted, one of which was the University of Turin study. Those studies showed no girth increase, but they did claim length increases after wearing the extender for hours daily over several months. Are those studies legitimate? The members in the thread didn’t seem to think so. Even if they are legitimate, I read the abstracts and they only showed length gains in the flaccid stretched penis. The exact correlation between flaccid stretched and erect length after mechanical augmentation is not known. So, assuming the studies are legitimate, assuming flaccid stretch has a strong correlation to erection length after mechanical augmentation, and assuming the injury rate is low, you still would only increase the length and have no effect on girth according to the studies. Certainly not worth the risk for someone who is primarily interested in increasing the thickness of their penis even if all these assumptions were shown to be real.
I’m not bashing PE, just discussing the evidence in both the medical literature and on the PE forums themselves. I would love for this stuff to work and be safe, but after months of reading I’m not convinced. I know I started PE because I was overly emotional about the prospect of my penis being thinner than average. I felt humiliated and demasculinated, despite being a fairly well rounded, successful, and stable guy. Had I not had this emotional uproar upon finding thundersplace I never would have started PE at my age after reading through the injury forum. Now that I have read more about others experiences with sex and reflected on my own experiences I feel much better about things and realize it is what it is. I can now more objectively look at the evidence and safety for PE without experiencing an emotionally charged denial. Just read the through the forum, I’m confident most who do so long enough will come to the same conclusions as I have.