My introduction and condom size for 4' girth

I’m not convinced even an inch in length is possible for most people, although I think for some it may be possible over a long period of time. I researched PE for months and found the evidence accross all PE forums to be very unconvincing. I do not think any girth gains are possible outside of EQ gains and swelling. You will have people tell you otherwise, but track their old posts. Most will have started with ED, young enough for late stage puberty, lose all girth gains over an extended break, have big claims but no pictures to document their progress, sell sone type of PE related equipment, claim they didn’t take accurate or any starting meaurements, ect.

Jelqing distened my dorsal vein in only 4 sessions at moderate grip and 10 minutes maximum duration. I stopped early and have no significant loss on function, but my vein has not fully returned to normal. Just realize their are risks and others have been hurt doing proper technique.

I bought a pump because there are studies that show they are relatively safe when used with caution. However, no real length or girth gains occurred in either study. Wikipedia takes a quote out of context from a study that used pumps to straighten the penis curvature due to peyronie’s disease making it sound like the pump actually lengthened the penis. When you actually dowload the study from a journal database and read it the researchers clearly state that the increase in length was due to and only correlated to the straightening of the curve. If you unbend a curved rod and measure it with a ruler at it’s furthest displacement you would expect the rod to measure longer without ever growing simply because you straightened it. This study used a protocol similar to avocets routine; two 10 minute pumping sessions everyday, but still had no gains in girth and only straightened the penis. Haven’t used my pump and I don’t plan on it because when unbiased researchers used it the same way we do, they saw no results. I plan on selling it.

I recommend you to read the progress thread of Braindran, Kingpole, Titleist or Saiyan.

John, with all due respect, if you dont believe that penis enlargement works, then why are you here?

I truly believe PE works. In fact I’m seeing progress on myself, I have starting pictures and I will take pictures every month. My starting pics are on this thread:Mi historia, y fotos, busco feedback

After a year of pumping, she apparently still thinks I have only improved my EQ because her comment continues to be “where did that come from”.

Hahaha lol.

Braindrain started at 18 or 19 well within the range of puberty, Kingpole started with ED, Titleist states in his progress thread that he has routinely done “three hour plus sessions a week” which are edema gains look at members Clubber and Longvehicle who also did extended pumping sessions both had massive girth gains and lost them over long breaks.

Some of these guys made good length gains and kept them over the break, I don’t dispute that. I stated that I believe length gains of around an inch are possible for some people, but not most people. Its why members like Titleist and Saiyan stand out and their threads are among the most viewed on the site.

I only posted my previous post, so the OP can start with a clear head and try to approach PE objectively. Its hard to properly evaluate everything when you have such strong emotions tied up into penis size, some people get so caught up with their size that they will risk functionality for any gains. You can disagree with what I posted; however, I think if you one takes into consideration my observations and actually tracks members posts/threads they will see patterns.

As for why I continue participating on this site, I find it comforting to talk to other people who share the same anxieties as me. Its not like you can talk to most of your friends or family about many of the topics covered on this forum. Sharing my experiences on this forum put things into perspective for me, I had good sex before I realized I was a little thinner than average and nothing has changed since I read those penis size studies except the fact that I was aware of it.

Yes BUT, puberty cannot even come CLOSE to explaining the rather drastic change in braindrain’s unit. If you look at his comparison pictures, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he gained and gained a lot. Granted, the girth could be temporary and I’m somewhat inclined to agree with that stance (my most recent PM to you might reveal why). You’d have to ask braindrain if he has lost any girth since stopping regular PE.

I’m not aware of data that quantifies the limits of possible penis size gains in late stage puberty, so any argument I make to counter this would only be opinion. The one thing we can agree on is that he was within in the age range of late stage puberty upon starting PE. I do not think his girth gains were from PE, no one else who documented their progress like him has made such gains in girth and have it be permanent. I have asked Braindrain about the permanence of his gains and he states that he does do maintenance and he may even do it “subconsciously” in periods where he didn’t actively try to do it.

Girth gains are permanent if you have cimented them.

I think the point johndough is trying to make is that you CAN’T cement them and that you need the constant and consistent force to maintain them. So, if that’s really the case, then we can never experience permanent girth gains perse. They become nothing more than swelling. That’s what I gather is his point…

When the tunica has reached internal plastic desformation it cannot be restored to it´s former size.

Plastic deformation of the tunica albuginea is an assumption based on unfounded biological principles. The only medical literature I could find involving mechanical changes of the elastic tissues of the penis revealed that decreases in elasticity and certain tissue ratios lead to ED and was naturally associated with the aging process. I only found one surgical technique that altered the tunica by cutting it and grafting tissue to expand the total filling capacity. The efficacy and safety of any penis enlargement surgery is questionable.

I’m not challenging anyone, just the idea.

Man…. you are talking about this stuff in the wrong thread, do me a personal favor… here you must talk about increasing 3 inches or more hahaha.

Just kidding john.

Hope to Carlos, Hope to Carlos!!