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Masturbation and PE

Originally Posted by zaneblue
Also it is unhealthy for prostate health for men to go more than two weeks with no ejaculation.

Why? What exactly happens?


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Originally Posted by xlmagnum
I was just trying to help people stop being crazed about this topic.

It will never stop. :(

Hi - I don’t see how one can make statements about PE and ejaculation contrary to the survey without some justification. Personally, I am using that result to avoid ejaculation for several hours after PE - of course, sex with the girlfriend is unavoidable so I’ll have to soldier on with that ;)

As I understand, PE is a form of controlled damage on your penis. The goal is to encourage the stretched/torn tissue to “heal” in a state that is larger than before. I would imagine (although I’m a mere newbie so please laugh freely) that your penis will heal in whatever state it is after the damage. EG. If you happen to do a 24 hr swimathon in freezing cold water following PE then your dick *might* heal in a shrunken state.

Originally Posted by westla90069
It will never stop. :(

Sounds like it’s time to go bring up that Most Annoying PE questions and “add” votes. MOD power! :D

Originally Posted by westla90069
It will never stop. :(

It won’t stop until there is proof.
That is all the men want. Many men experience decreased gains after ejaculation.

Originally Posted by an experience from a Thunder’s PE vet
And as far as ejaculation: edging, or just holding it as long as you can while you are clamping or pumping is very beneficial to girth gains. It has helped me a lot. If I ejaculate after girth work I lose girth immediately, where as if I hold it back a few days (the more the better) I keep the post girth workout engorgement for several days without turtling. “And believe me, keeping the penis as thick possible for as long as possible builds girth. I’m not alone with any of this. I’m sure lots of members feel this way about the … Ejaculation issue.

WestLA, obviously your expierence is different than Big Girtha’s, so we have a predicment. You think ejaculating doesn’t affect gains whatsoever, and I (along with many other men) think it does.

You state “No masturbation doesn’t affect gains!!!!” With what proof? With your expierence? Is this your opinion? Or is this a medical fact?

If it is a “medical observation,” then let me remind the people that exercising the penis doesn’t make it any bigger — or at least, that is what medical observation claims…

Don’t take this personally. You have my complete respect. You have helped me on many occasions, and for that I am very grateful. I just have a problem with people passing off 100 percent bold facts, when they surely are not.

In closing, I say:

To each, his own.
If you guys wants to keep ejaculating, then by all means. I surely don’t recommened never ejaculating — that is ludacris. I think a plan like BG’s above is probably the best way to go. But again, that is my opinion.


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Originally Posted by remek
WestLA, obviously your expierence is different than Big Girtha’s, so we have a predicment. You think ejaculating doesn’t affect gains whatsoever, and I (along with many other men) think it does.

You state “No masturbation doesn’t affect gains!!!!” With what proof? With your expierence? Is this your opinion? Or is this a medical fact?

If it is a “medical observation,” then let me remind the people that exercising the penis doesn’t make it any bigger — or at least, that is what medical observation claims…

Don’t take this personally. You have my complete respect. You have helped me on many occasions, and for that I am very grateful. I just have a problem with people passing off 100 percent bold facts, when they surely are not.

Ah man, the shit is going to hit the fan.

I don’t let it dictate my life. I don’t masturbate before (because it will affect my workout) and directly after (because I want to maintain a good plump penis…not because I’m afraid of losing gains). ANY OTHER TIME is alright.

Originally Posted by remek
Many men experience decreased gains after ejaculation.

Do you mean they measured 6.75” one day and then jerked off after their workout and the next day they were 6.5”? Or that they were gaining .25” a month without masturbating and then started doing it and stopped making gains or gained less in the same amount of time? It would help to know what you mean by “decreased gains.”

BG said: And as far as ejaculation: edging, or just holding it as long as you can while you are clamping or pumping is very beneficial to girth gains. It has helped me a lot. If I ejaculate after girth work I lose girth immediately, where as if I hold it back a few days (the more the better) I keep the post girth workout engorgement for several days without turtling. “And believe me, keeping the penis as thick possible for as long as possible builds girth. I’m not alone with any of this. I’m sure lots of members feel this way about the … Ejaculation issue.

First of all, BG is an extreme PEer. He does more in a week than most guys do in a month. Also, he’s talking about clamping and pumping while I’m talking about “normal” PE exercises like jelqing and manual stretching. Finally, he’s talking about engorgement or plumpness that doesn’t come with the standard exercises. So his results are not the norm for several reasons.

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WestLA, obviously your expierence is different than Big Girtha’s, so we have a predicment. You think ejaculating doesn’t affect gains whatsoever, and I (along with many other men) think it does. You state “No masturbation doesn’t affect gains!!!!” With what proof? With your expierence? Is this your opinion? Or is this a medical fact?

It’s a combination. I haven’t done active PE for two years. When I was doing it I was jelqing, stretching and a couple times a week I used a vacuum pump for two or three 10 minute sessions. I masturbated afterward at least half the time and at times about 70% of my workouts ended in ejaculation. I gained .25% each month “in spite” of pleasuring myself after most of the sessions. It is not only my opinion, but also that of others who were here on the site long before me. Luvdadus (a physician) comes to mind as one who said he regularly had sex with his wife and continued to gain without negative effects. There are others (see their posts in the long list of threads on this topic that I posted above). Medical fact? Most studies done on tissue expansion involve constant traction devices and they don’t involve organs with the normal ability to expand and contract as does the penis. So I doubt we’d find much in the literature about compression or contraction of expanded tissues and its effect on growth rate (perhaps the med students or those with easy access the full text medical literature would be able to do a search for us.)

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If it is a “medical observation,” then let me remind the people that exercising the penis doesn’t make it any bigger — or at least, that is what medical observation claims…

You’re confusing subjective reporting and “giving the standard response.” I seriously doubt there’s any medical conspiracy to give false information about PE. It’s just that physicians are not trained in PE methods and view most complaints about penis size as a psychological problem, especially if there is no pain or problems having sex or getting someone pregnant. We have several physicians, medical students and nurses here who do believe in it and accusing one of us of “giving the standard response” isn’t quite fair.

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I just have a problem with people passing off 100 percent bold facts, when they surely are not.

My statements are based on my personal experience and that of those here before me as reported in the threads on this subject. The reason I word my reply so strongly is that this type of question often comes from Newbies. They have enough trouble not getting completely erect while doing the exercises much less trying not to ejaculate. If I agreed that jerking off reduced ones ability to gain with PE exercises, most of them would probably quit. By saying that masturbation does not affect gains (and I do believe it, I’m not just saying it to help the new guys) then I’m at least allowing them to get over the first hurdle as they try to make for themselves a bigger penis. Later on, if they feel they aren’t gaining as much as they feel they should or as much as they did in the beginning and they believe it may be due to ejaculating too soon after their workout, then it’s up to them to decide if they want to change the way they do things. But if they ask for my opinion then I’m going to tell them that it won’t make any difference if they jerk off or not.

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In closing, I say: To each, his own.

I’ll agree with that.

If you really want to see if it makes any difference, then you’ll have to do a study. A survey isn’t valid enough since you aren’t controlling the variables. You’ll have to get two groups of guys with similar ages, physical condition, sexual histories, martial status, etc. and then have them to the same exercises for the same amount of time while drinking the same amounts of water and eating similarly healthy diets, and then see who gained and who didn’t.

But I’d wait until the new survey is done first. :)

Originally Posted by westla90069
My statements are based on my personal experience and that of those here before me as reported in the threads on this subject. The reason I word my reply so strongly is that this type of question often comes from Newbies. They have enough trouble not getting completely erect while doing the exercises much less trying not to ejaculate. If I agreed that jerking off reduced ones ability to gain with PE exercises, most of them would probably quit. By saying that masturbation does not affect gains (and I do believe it, I’m not just saying it to help the new guys) then I’m at least allowing them to get over the first hurdle as they try to make for themselves a bigger penis. Later on, if they feel they aren’t gaining as much as they feel they should or as much as they did in the beginning and they believe it may be due to ejaculating too soon after their workout, then it’s up to them to decide if they want to change the way they do things. But if they ask for my opinion then I’m going to tell them that it won’t make any difference if they jerk off or not.

Now this is something I can agree with. You are trying to help the beginners, I like that. You are a helper at heart, I couldn’t have picked a better moderator myself.

Your experiences are quite like my own. I do masturbate after work-outs, and I use to ejaculate after each session. I still made gains. My penis size still increased. We all know that ejaculating doesn’t stop gains completely. My question is this: does it stop you from gaining more than you can? Will one gain more if they ejaculate less? Or will one gain more if they don’t ejaculate after a PE session?

I understand we are all trying to help the beginners here. And by all means, I don’t want to add any extra worries to the new guy. But everyone should have all the information, if they want it. I think it should be made clear: Ejaculating doesn’t stop gains - obviously. I feel like I am beating a dead horse here, but let me do an analogy.

In sports, for example, people are always trying to get the upper hand. They do what they have to so they can win. For example, swimmers completely shave their bodies — allowing for less water resistance. Now, shaving doesn’t make the swimmers a winner, but it surely gets them closer to the finish line. That is all I am trying to do — find a quicker way to the finish line — find a quicker way to the magical 8 X 6.

Originally Posted by WestLA
If you really want to see if it makes any difference, then you’ll have to do a study. A survey isn’t valid enough since you aren’t controlling the variables. You’ll have to get two groups of guys with similar ages, physical condition, sexual histories, martial status, etc. and then have them to the same exercises for the same amount of time while drinking the same amounts of water and eating similarly healthy diets, and then see who gained and who didn’t.

Bingo! This is the ONLY way to submit actual facts, and many times an experiment doesn’t bring out the true facts.

Back in the beginning of 04’ I tried to conduct an experiment here… due to time constraints it utterly failed before it even started. It is a bigger project than a survey.

However, I do plan on conducting a experiment in the future. It will be after the second PE survey is finished and analyzed. I will have more theories to test, and more information to ease the process.

Also, I am working on some ideas to get a test group going… But again, that is in the future (most likely 9 months to a year from now).


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Originally Posted by Westla
A survey isn’t valid enough since you aren’t controlling the variables.

Not direct control, but with a better survey we should be able to statistically control for plausible confounding factors. The difficulty will be getting enough respondents so that we can control for X, Y, Z, A, B, and C and still have reasonable power to test for the independent effects of M and E.

Right on PG. You and I are on the same page with this.

I think we need to strive to phrase the questions in as constraining a way as possible in order to reduce confounding factors. Because naturally occurring normal distributions are unlikely, we’ll likely need to transform the raw data into log-normal or semi-log normal distributions in order to do statistical analyses. For this reason, being able to reduce the Survey data into individual respondent data sets will be an important feature to design into the Survey/analysis program. Couple good question phrasing with good respondent control and I think it’s reasonable to expect some reasonably high confidence interval data to emerge from the noise.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

I’m not a good organizational guy Boss. Good for details though.


originally: 6.5" BPEL x 5.0" EG (ms); currently: 9.375" BPEL x 6.75" EG (ms)

Hidden details: Finding xeno: a penis tale; Some photos: Tiger

Tell me, o monks; what cannot be achieved through efforts. - Siddhartha Gautama

Right on guys. I might start a new recruitment thread later tonight (or early in the morning I should say), depending how much I can get done with the first PE survey results…

This will surely make that “clock tick quicker.”


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