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Thanks guys. I’ll look into that stuff kingpole.


Start 6/13/07 BPEL: 6.4 / EG: 5.5

7/14/07 BPEL: 6.875 / EG: 5.75 / NBPEL: 6.5

Hi :)

Shnordle is mentioning “regain erection x5= 300”, what PE exercise is that?


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Originally Posted by Ares88

Hi :)

Shnordle is mentioning “regain erection x5= 300”, what PE exercise is that?

I’m thinking it means he does 5 sets of 60, Ares88.

He broke down his 3 different groups of 20 jelqs for us…

(20 + 20 + 20) X 5 = 300

Are you with me?

Shnordle, judging by the routine you’ve shown us, and without knowing how much sex you have (or masturbating) or how often you actually get any sleep, etc., etc., I would suspect what others here suspect: your dick is a bit tired, and needs a bit of rest. Like sunny, I suspect your intensity; it seems likely that you are jelqing too hard.

Can you describe your process a little more?

The Gingko and Arginine recommendation should help. Unlike Dr. Lin’s products, these things actually work pretty well. For maximum effectiveness, make sure the Arginine is A-Akg (like this stuff) and not L-Arginine, take it on an empty stomach with plenty of water. You can get Ginkgo in drops that you add to the water. GNC should have comparable products, and someone said Cosco was selling a cheap A-Akg product - but that’s the idea.

Lastly, but perhaps more importantly, I’d recommend more heat. Just get a microwaveable moist heat pad and keep your unit warm for 20-30 minutes before going to bed. If your routine out is really intense, make sure you not only warm up a bit more, but also warm down and really give it some time, not just 5 minutes.

It really helps.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
I’m thinking it means he does 5 sets of 60, Ares88.

He broke down his 3 different groups of 20 jelqs for us…

(20 + 20 + 20) X 5 = 300

Are you with me?

Shnordle, judging by the routine you’ve shown us, and without knowing how much sex you have (or masturbating) or how often you actually get any sleep, etc., etc., I would suspect what others here suspect: your dick is a bit tired, and needs a bit of rest. Like sunny, I suspect your intensity; it seems likely that you are jelqing too hard.

Can you describe your process a little more?

The Gingko and Arginine recommendation should help. Unlike Dr. Lin’s products, these things actually work pretty well. For maximum effectiveness, make sure the Arginine is A-Akg (like this stuff) and not L-Arginine, take it on an empty stomach with plenty of water. You can get Ginkgo in drops that you add to the water. GNC should have comparable products, and someone said Cosco was selling a cheap A-Akg product - but that’s the idea.

Lastly, but perhaps more importantly, I’d recommend more heat. Just get a microwaveable moist heat pad and keep your unit warm for 20-30 minutes before going to bed. If your routine out is really intense, make sure you not only warm up a bit more, but also warm down and really give it some time, not just 5 minutes.

It really helps.


Yea, that is what I meant with the jelqs.

I have been trying not to jelq too hard, but apparently I am? I try to jelq hard enough to see the actual blood being pushed through, I find a good sign of this is if my veins bulge slightly. After every workout I shower.

So you reccomend a longer warm-up? What would be a better tool for this? A rice sock? Or the microwaveable heat pad?

I will look into those products.

Thanks everyone for the help.


Start 6/13/07 BPEL: 6.4 / EG: 5.5

7/14/07 BPEL: 6.875 / EG: 5.75 / NBPEL: 6.5

Originally Posted by Shnordle

So you recommend a longer warm-up? What would be a better tool for this? A rice sock? Or the microwaveable heat pad?

There really is nothing to beat an IR lamp, but a microwaveable gel pack over a damp cloth is a very good substitute; they hold heat well and the damp cloth helps the heat penetrate deeply into the tissues.

Please check the dates on your stats Shnordle; either I’m reading it wrong or all your gains came in 24 hours.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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Originally Posted by firegoat

There really is nothing to beat an IR lamp, but a microwaveable gel pack over a damp cloth is a very good substitute; they hold heat well and the damp cloth helps the heat penetrate deeply into the tissues.

Please check the dates on your stats Shnordle; either I’m reading it wrong or all your gains came in 24 hours.

OH! I now see the mistake, forgot to change the month on the dates. Thanks for pointing that out. What is an IR lamp?


Start 6/13/07 BPEL: 6.4 / EG: 5.5

7/14/07 BPEL: 6.875 / EG: 5.75 / NBPEL: 6.5

That is still impressive growth.


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Start 6/13/07 BPEL: 6.4 / EG: 5.5

7/14/07 BPEL: 6.875 / EG: 5.75 / NBPEL: 6.5

Originally Posted by Shnordle

What is an IR lamp?

Infra Red Lamp. Lots of info on Google.


Heat makes the difference between gaining quickly or slowly for some guys, or between gaining slowly instead of not at all for others. And the ideal penis size is 7.6" BPEL x 5.6" Mid Girth.

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I, too, have had problems in gaining a truly full erection. The extent and quality of my erection is something that I have noted, paid particular attention to, for nearly a decade today. There are definite influences on erection power.

Yes, your sex life is an influence. Your frequency of ejaculation — and your usual process of reaching ejaculation — is a great influence on erection power. Depending on your condition, your ejaculation frequency can be among the greatest influences on it. Included in your sex life, or sometime lack of it, are masturbation habits. Taoist practice, as discussed in Daniel P. Reid’s most famous book, is useful in understanding how sex and ejaculation affect vitality and penis vigor.

People can argue something through theories — or attack ad hominem — but some people value results over theories. I read a study’s abstract, online, recently, whose results showed that the subjects’ testosterone levels rose significantly a week after last ejaculation. But I already had concluded the same thing, maybe in slightly different terms, because of personal practice after other readings, which sometimes had said the same thing in greatly different or seemingly bizarre terms. Charles Runels, MD, in his book, offers some guidance in terms fairly comfortable to the Western or American mind.

No matter how many or who bash Dr Lin, he has much accurate information amassed on his website. I cannot attest to the accuracy of all the information that he discusses, especially where it seems he disputes any benefit from mechanical penis enlargement (PE). Yet most of the information that he discusses on hormones and neurotransmitters and so on is accurate and is, to satisfy the peer-reviewed mindset, scientifically established. Further, if one gives his information an honest reading, one sees that his dispute with mechanical PE is mainly that it can cause scarring within the penile tissues and inhibit full engorgement and powering up of erection. Stepping aside from Dr Lin’s view, and even from the mechanical-PE view, that is one reason it is important to start slowly overall and to warm up well. So even PE’ers, it seems, accept the fundamental validity of that view of Dr Lin.

Still, I would not, myself, at this point buy Dr Lin’s supplements. Although I have never tried them, they do not seem to me like products that would be especially effective. In my own assessment of Dr Lin’s offerings, I find it ironic that he sells those products, which, although I think they may help somewhat, I do not believe match the excellence of much of his writings. Particular foods and particular habits are preferable, the more foundational solution. Herbs could be an adjunct. Yet if a person does not amend his habits and diet, then to the very extent that the herbs do increase erection and sexual function, the herbs may overwork a system already breaking down. I think that if someone wants to use herbs to enhance his sexual health, he probably ought to see a traditional Chinese doctor, whose services can be rather inexpensive, who will prescribe a formula for the individual to balance his system on the whole. The male system when balanced on the whole and nourished on the whole has strong erections. I would read Dr Lin’s writings, yet I would not, at least myself, buy his supplements.

When first I tried to start mechanical PE about seven years ago, I suffered some numbness and diminished erection that lasted beyond the usual recovery period. I had started with light weight, and yet — this before the advent of the Bib hanger which later I bought but never did use — it was too heavy for me, personally. What is more, the moderate jelqing that I did, over only a short period, did help give me a slightly meatier penis, but I wound up with poorer erections, lasting beyond the usual recovery period. I stopped hanging, stopped jelqing, and kept manually but only casually stretching.

Today, I do not believe, as Dr Lin seems to, that all mechanical PE is harmful. Neither do I believe, as seems the popular view here, that Dr Lin is a complete charlatan. Ask any sane sensible person these days, or ask his doctor, whether penis enlargement is possible without surgery, and he will answer no. If you say that it is possible, he will call you stupid, and call your instructor a complete charlatan. If you say that you have already gained size from PE, he will say you are crazy. Within a community of certain beliefs, whether at large in society, or whether in a specialty forum, it is easy to succumb to reliance on social proof, the doctrine that if the great majority of people believe something and act accordingly, then it is obviously the endpoint of truth and foreign conclusions are false.

Here, in this thread, I do not think that overtraining per se is the problem. But, possibly, even easily, it could be too much PE, so far and right now, for the particular individual amid other non-PE factors. Maybe the warmup is not great enough. Maybe he has an imbalance of prostaglandins, causing excess inflammatory response, even scarring. Maybe he has a zinc deficiency, causing poor healing. Maybe he has poor thyroid-hormone function, causing poor tissue integrity and marginal circulation to begin with, now revealed under this added stress. Maybe, because of poor tissue integrity, his capillaries are fragile and, with jelqing, they have become leakier, permitting too much fluid escape during erection. And so on and so on.

How many porn stars with huge penises do you see who can power them up to full mast? An erection does not come merely because you have happy thoughts (although happy thoughts are a great help). A truly full erection, unless your penis is very small, takes great amounts of acetylcholine and nitric oxide to power, and other substances are involved. If you want to increase the total volume of your penis by 50%, consider that maybe — just maybe — your penis will need 50% more nutrients and better blood circulation to power it’s erections. The author Alan Ritz, despite his clumsy English and some of his quaint views and his oft-questioned discovery of a VIP muscle, offers help in his book. In it, he references widely accepted, but little-discussed, scientific information on erectile function and precursors. The book’s first half, discussing hormones and neurotransmitters and so on, is much clearer and more concise, far easier to peruse, than Dr Lin’s prolific but jumbled website.

Over years, I have tried many diets and habits and supplements. Sometimes, I learn something, test it’s validity, find it works wondrously, and yet, amid the vicissitudes of life, do not stick with it. Why, why, why? But it happens. So I am here, today, not as strong as I would like to be, and not with the strength of my erections as I would like it. Yet, over my years, I have found some answers, because I sought them, and did not merely wait for others to give them to me. One thing I had to do was always to look, always to read, always to think and to consider, and then reconsider, for myself. And I had to question myself and what I believed. I suggest to review suggestions, yes, but then look for yourself, read for yourself. If people tell you something is untrue, read it anyway. Even below castles of untruths are foundations of truths revealed. But sometimes, no matter how many or who say a thing is untrue, when you look for yourself, you find that it is — or at least many useful parts of it are — true. Take PE, for instance.

I have found that some of the greatest aids to my erection are reducing ejaculation frequency, keeping a consistent and rather early sleep pattern, daily physical activity, good bodily hydration, consistent eating (including whole raw eggs, providing choline among other benefits), deep breathing especially of fresh air, optimizing my thyroid-hormone function, and pursuits that stir my optimism. Those are basics. But without basics, taking even the best supplements is playing a drug game. If you do want supplements, though, then yes, arginine and Ginkgo are good ones, as far as supplements go.

I do not have much experience in mechanical PE. I am here to learn, though, because I would like to find a mechanical routine that will help me gain more size, mostly girth. But meanwhile, I do not want a larger penis that cannot reach truly full erection. For that, I would rather keep my present size, and just enable spontaneous and truly full erections. I cannot say for sure what really goes on in other men’s private lives, but what I have seen from the sidelines of forums and through various media and informal talking, and in readings and in self-observation, has led me, by now, after several years, to conclude that the greater problem for most men is not penis size but rather is penis health, including erection strength.


Last edited by instance : 08-29-2007 at .

Dr Lin whose website is ActionTao.com. That is the only information, read there at that website, and then smatterings of discussions about him in this and another forum, that I have about Dr Lin.

Whatever dissection based on theories that one makes of Dr Lin’s writings, however theoretically or at least semantically coherent those dissections may be, the bottom line for me is that most of Dr Lin’s conclusions — and even most, though probably not all, of the mechanisms that he ascribes them to — are accurate. (I would not, myself, buy his supplements, though. Yet I would buy hardly any supplements all, although many supplements do indeed, in the short run, bring the sought effects — along with eventual negative effects.) I value results over theory or semantics. Dr Lin has compiled much information that, when it’s indications on habits and practices are followed, show themselves, as schemas, to be accurate.

Take, for instance, Dr Lin’s indication that semen is produced from cerebrospinal fluid. Now if you want to talk in prevailing physiology and semantics — today’s prevailing schema of semen production — that is untrue. Yet semantic jumbling aside, this claim may match an ancient Chinese view, a schema that till today, if heeded, produces favorable results. So that is one ancient schema about semen production, saying that semen comes in part from cerebrospinal fluid.

Today, one might instead say — and not seem crazy — that semen, and the nutrients that drive it’s ejaculation, is largely composed of, and are largely the same as, the nutrients that go toward making cerebrospinal fluid. One such nutrient is choline. So if one depletes one’s semen daily, demanding the body to aggressively produce more semen daily, one may not have the nutrition and one may not, if aging, have the spark to daily and optimally replenish optimal-quality cerebrospinal, too. That is a related yet different and second schema about the relation between semen and cerebrospinal fluid.

Either way, the bottom line, or the indication stemming from either above schema, is that moderating ejaculation frequency preserves or improves emotional health, creativity, sensation, reflexes, and drive. Those things involve the health of one’s nervous system. That includes the brain, which brain — according one dissection of Dr Lin’s words — produces the cerebrospinal fluid, presumably for the brain’s own health and functioning, true enough. But the dissection, saying that the brain produces cerebrospinal fluid, does not elucidate semen’s origins. Rather, the dissection evades that matter, and contributes no information, except to say that Dr Lin’s information is obviously false.

Still, I think it is held by prevailing physiology that the brain, daily, produces more cerebrospinal fluid than can be kept by the brain and spinal cord, and that much of this fluid must in fact enter the blood or the lymph, or both. Dr Lin apparently claims that this, then, goes toward producing the semen.

In turn, this contribution to semen production is disputed, now, based on some prevailing physiological understanding. This understanding, raised in dispute, comes from the same physiological circle whose understanding also lets us know that penis enlargement is impossible for a normal adult male without surgery. This is the same circle of physiological understanding that, thirty years ago, was all but unknowing of the heart-health effects of aerobic exercise. This is the same physiological circle that buttered my bread with margarine when I was a kid, with all it’s trans-fatty acids, because it was better for my heart than butter, only to later — 20 years later — ban trans-fatty acids from restaurants in my city, because they are worse for my heart than butter. This is also the same physiological circle that tells me that I can ejaculate, let us say, five times every day for 20 years and suffer no negative health effects directly from it. This is based on a third schema, implied by the prevailing physiology, about semen production.

Whether or not Dr Lin is factually correct in the detail of whether cerebrospinal fluid contributes to semen, I do know — from my real life, from real results, in reality — that if I ejaculate merely once every day for merely 20 days, then my health, including my clarity of mind and mood and creativity and motivation, is quite negatively affected. And Dr Lin’s schema, whether or not it is correct in every specific detail, could have told me to avoid ejaculating so often, in order to avoid that. Dr Lin’s written schema could have accomplished that for me even if, theretofore relying on the prevailing physiology of the times, I were completely clueless on what had been tampering with my well-being. If I must pick between two incorrect schemas about the resources tapped by semen production, and therefore the effects on me of frequent ejaculation, I would like to pick the schema that at least increases my well-being.

My nutritionist had no medical degree, and, I think, not even a bachelor’s degree, when he cured himself of multiple cancers over thirty years ago. After chemotherapy and radiation had failed and afflicted him with various other ailments, he stopped heeding his doctors — and their schema about cancer — and tried other options, which the prevailing physiology claimed could not work. Later, a close friend of his rid herself of her own so-called incurable cancer.

It does not take a degree to learn, to think, or even to be correct. But it does take a degree to show to others that you have learned what the dominant others in that field’s peer group uphold as true. That is what a degree is.

I do not believe that Dr Lin is right about everything that he has written on his website. I figure that he is wrong on some on points. But so is your medical doctor wrong on some points. I do not take medical doctors’ prescription drugs. (I know of only one prescription, actually not a drug, that I would take.) Neither do I take Dr Lin’s supplements. Still, I do believe, based on my perusal of Dr Lin’s website, my knowledge of prevailing physiology, my knowledge of prevailing medical views, my knowledge of other and sometimes differing views, my limited grasp of Taoist practice, and very greatly my own experience, that much of what Dr Lin writes is very and uncommonly useful information.

For example, whether or not correct in every last detail, his schema on hair loss is one that my own experience had mostly confirmed for me, before I ever even crossed Dr Lin’s website. I wished, then, that I had had his website years earlier. I have been unable to fully control all behavioral and nutritional variables mentioned by Dr Lin on hair loss. Yet by the time I found Dr Lin’s website, I had already pinpointed through experience most of those very contributors. I had done so by observing those variables’ effects on my own hair loss, in light of my personal research in alternative as well as in prevailing physiological views on hair loss. The bulk of Dr Lin’s indications about hair loss cohere well with my own experiences in losing hair, halting hair loss, regrowing some hair, losing more, halting it again, losing more, regrowing hair, and so on, all according to my habits and condition.

Lin may be wrong on some points, but so is your own doctor wrong on some points. That is why you use this forum, instead taking your doctor’s word that non-surgical penis enlargement is impossible for a normal male. You still visit your doctor, though, because you did not want to throw the baby out with the bath water.


Last edited by instance : 08-29-2007 at .

So should I cool it off with some light workouts until conditions improve? Or is my workout not that hard, and I should just drop the intensity of my grip?


Start 6/13/07 BPEL: 6.4 / EG: 5.5

7/14/07 BPEL: 6.875 / EG: 5.75 / NBPEL: 6.5

Originally Posted by instance
Dr Lin whose website is ActionTao.com. That is the only information, read there at that website, and then smatterings of discussions about him in this and another forum, that I have about Dr Lin.

Whatever dissection based on theories that one makes of Dr Lin’s writings, however theoretically or at least semantically coherent those dissections may be, the bottom line for me is that most of Dr Lin’s conclusions — and even most, though probably not all, of the mechanisms that he ascribes them to — are accurate. (I would not, myself, buy his supplements, though. Yet I would buy hardly any supplements all, although many supplements do indeed, in the short run, bring the sought effects — along with eventual negative effects.) I value results over theory or semantics. Dr Lin has compiled much information that, when it’s indications on habits and practices are followed, show themselves, as schemas, to be accurate.

Take, for instance, Dr Lin’s indication that semen is produced from cerebrospinal fluid. Now if you want to talk in prevailing physiology and semantics — today’s prevailing schema of semen production — that is untrue. Yet semantic jumbling aside, this claim may match an ancient Chinese view, a schema that till today, if heeded, produces favorable results. So that is one ancient schema about semen production, saying that semen comes in part from cerebrospinal fluid.

Today, one might instead say — and not seem crazy — that semen, and the nutrients that drive it’s ejaculation, is largely composed of, and are largely the same as, the nutrients that go toward making cerebrospinal fluid. One such nutrient is choline. So if one depletes one’s semen daily, demanding the body to aggressively produce more semen daily, one may not have the nutrition and one may not, if aging, have the spark to daily and optimally replenish optimal-quality cerebrospinal, too. That is a related yet different and second schema about the relation between semen and cerebrospinal fluid.

Either way, the bottom line, or the indication stemming from either above schema, is that moderating ejaculation frequency preserves or improves emotional health, creativity, sensation, reflexes, and drive. Those things involve the health of one’s nervous system. That includes the brain, which brain — according one dissection of Dr Lin’s words — produces the cerebrospinal fluid, presumably for the brain’s own health and functioning, true enough. But the dissection, saying that the brain produces cerebrospinal fluid, does not elucidate semen’s origins. Rather, the dissection evades that matter, and contributes no information, except to say that Dr Lin’s information is obviously false.

Still, I think it is held by prevailing physiology that the brain, daily, produces more cerebrospinal fluid than can be kept by the brain and spinal cord, and that much of this fluid must in fact enter the blood or the lymph, or both. Dr Lin apparently claims that this, then, goes toward producing the semen.

In turn, this contribution to semen production is disputed, now, based on some prevailing physiological understanding. This understanding, raised in dispute, comes from the same physiological circle whose understanding also lets us know that penis enlargement is impossible for a normal adult male without surgery. This is the same circle of physiological understanding that, thirty years ago, was all but unknowing of the heart-health effects of aerobic exercise. This is the same physiological circle that buttered my bread with margarine when I was a kid, with all it’s trans-fatty acids, because it was better for my heart than butter, only to later — 20 years later — ban trans-fatty acids from restaurants in my city, because they are worse for my heart than butter. This is also the same physiological circle that tells me that I can ejaculate, let us say, five times every day for 20 years and suffer no negative health effects directly from it. This is based on a third schema, implied by the prevailing physiology, about semen production.

Whether or not Dr Lin is factually correct in the detail of whether cerebrospinal fluid contributes to semen, I do know — from my real life, from real results, in reality — that if I ejaculate merely once every day for merely 20 days, then my health, including my clarity of mind and mood and creativity and motivation, is quite negatively affected. And Dr Lin’s schema, whether or not it is correct in every specific detail, could have told me to avoid ejaculating so often, in order to avoid that. Dr Lin’s written schema could have accomplished that for me even if, theretofore relying on the prevailing physiology of the times, I were completely clueless on what had been tampering with my well-being. If I must pick between two incorrect schemas about the resources tapped by semen production, and therefore the effects on me of frequent ejaculation, I would like to pick the schema that at least increases my well-being.

My nutritionist had no medical degree, and, I think, not even a bachelor’s degree, when he cured himself of multiple cancers over thirty years ago. After chemotherapy and radiation had failed and afflicted him with various other ailments, he stopped heeding his doctors — and their schema about cancer — and tried other options, which the prevailing physiology claimed could not work. Later, a close friend of his rid herself of her own so-called incurable cancer.

It does not take a degree to learn, to think, or even to be correct. But it does take a degree to show to others that you have learned what the dominant others in that field’s peer group uphold as true. That is what a degree is.

I do not believe that Dr Lin is right about everything that he has written on his website. I figure that he is wrong on some on points. But so is your medical doctor wrong on some points. I do not take medical doctors’ prescription drugs. (I know of only one prescription, actually not a drug, that I would take.) Neither do I take Dr Lin’s supplements. Still, I do believe, based on my perusal of Dr Lin’s website, my knowledge of prevailing physiology, my knowledge of prevailing medical views, my knowledge of other and sometimes differing views, my limited grasp of Taoist practice, and very greatly my own experience, that much of what Dr Lin writes is very and uncommonly useful information.

For example, whether or not correct in every last detail, his schema on hair loss is one that my own experience had mostly confirmed for me, before I ever even crossed Dr Lin’s website. I wished, then, that I had had his website years earlier. I have been unable to fully control all behavioral and nutritional variables mentioned by Dr Lin on hair loss. Yet by the time I found Dr Lin’s website, I had already pinpointed through experience most of those very contributors. I had done so by observing those variables’ effects on my own hair loss, in light of my personal research in alternative as well as in prevailing physiological views on hair loss. The bulk of Dr Lin’s indications about hair loss cohere well with my own experiences in losing hair, halting hair loss, regrowing some hair, losing more, halting it again, losing more, regrowing hair, and so on, all according to my habits and condition.

Lin may be wrong on some points, but so is your own doctor wrong on some points. That is why you use this forum, instead taking your doctor’s word that non-surgical penis enlargement is impossible for a normal male. You still visit your doctor, though, because you did not want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Most doctors are stupid when it comes to nutrition, Most nutritionist are stupid because they take their cues from stupid doctors.


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