Losing hope, almost 2 months not a single cm gained.

Don’t know what I’m doing wrong but I’m assuming it’s because of my jelq technique, but either way I should still be getting some length gains from the stretches right ?

Well my Current session looks like this:

Monday/Tuesday: PE
Wednesday: Off
Thursday/Friday: PE
Weekends: Off

-Warm shower in morning, during in there I do the manual stretches (out, right, left, up, down) 3 sets 30-45secs.
-I do them ‘Fowfers?’ while surfing the net. I hold for about 15 mins while listening to music.
-My main workout at night:
-5 min. hot wrap
-V-stretch, 3 sets of 20 seconds
-BTC stretch, 5 minutes
-Wet jelqing 25 minutes
-5 min. hot wrap.

If anything, it seems like my penis has shrunken a little, unless it is a psychological thing. Also is it normal for a 50-70% erect penis be almost the same size when 100% fully erect ??

Monkey,

I’d give it another few weeks and then if you don’t get at least some indication of growth, switch to a more aggressive, either in duration or intensity, routine. You might want to consider doing a daily session for more days in a row, for example, five or six days on, one or two days off. I never missed a day for the first two to three months. This worked for me. That doesn’t mean it will work for you. But maybe it’s worth a try.

Is it possible you didn’t condition it enough with the basic jelqing to start with? I know I did the jelq exclusively for the first two months and then added the stretch to my routine starting with the third month. I hope this is helpful.

HH

I don’t think I got a good start, I followed this different workout from a different website. I forgot the link :(

Anyways it told me to do the sessions 3 times a week (like every other day) for the first 2 weeks then just gradually increase the days on. Start off with a simple hot-wrap, basic manual stretching, and 10 mins of jelqing with lubricant (I use baby oil).

I do kegels on a different time, example while surfing the net I’d do them…I’m doing them right now ;)

I’ll try 4-5 on 2-3 off? But it doesnt feel too comfortable for me because I’d still feel some pain from my previous workout.

Monkey,

There should no pain at all. This is not a “no pain, no gain” proposition. If you’re still feeling real pain from a previous workout, something’s wrong here.

PE was and is a completely pleasurable experience for me, and it should be for you.

I would kegel throughout the routine. If you kegel while stretching, for example, you might see a temporary increase in length during that session.

HH

Monkey,
Horse is right, pain is bad…but being slightly sore is not.
Have you always been doing such a long routine? If so, why not cut right back and try a light, short routine 5 on 2 off?

It is quite possible that you are over training, especially when you talk about pain.
Remember, pain is always bad….slight soreness is good however.

Give it a try. After all, you have nothing to lose, right?

Two months isn’t really that long a time. I started in January of 2003; didn’t start seeing gains until July 2003. For some reason, I had stopped around that time and picked up again January 2004. Once again, I didn’t started seeing gains until about a month ago, July 2004. I pretty much use the Newbie Routine, 2 on, 1 off. Sometimes go 1 on, 1 off. 30 minutes wet jelq, 15 minutes stretches, and then 5-10 minutes A-stretches or Blasters. Hot wrap in the beginning, middle and end of routine. I might also do fowfers, lazy-ass stretches throughout the week, depending on how I feel. Sometimes lying in bed, watching TV, I’ll do some stretches.

Everybody’s different. Some people see gains the first couple months; others take longer. I always told myself I’d give it a year.

is hot wrapping even needed after the workout.???

i have read threads by some pros who say there is no need to hot wrap after ur session?

Feedback?

Expectations,
Welcome from a fellow Aussie PEer!
Please read the Forum Guidelines in relation to the style of your post.
I’m not trying to bust your chops, but we have many members from all over the world and correct grammar will help them do understand what you mean.

As far as hot wraps after a session, no, you could probably do with out them after a session. But I think that they are compulsory (or some other form of warm up) prior to a workout.
Actually, there is a growing following in the use of cold wraps after a workout. They are thought to help cement your temporary post work out gains

Hi Andrew69

I’ve been wondering about the same thing, considering how it acts when getting cold. How it retracts to something she’d rather have as a pet.

My basic idea was, to switch to cold water following a workout in the shower, while keeping everything stretched.
That is, let the tissue adapt to the extended condition while cooling down. Makes sense??

My only problem is trying to conserve water (it has become pretty expensive here in Denmark recently), so 20-30 minutes showers aren’t “popular”.

BTW, did some preliminary experiments as to how much tissue is heated, while using a ricesock/flaxsock. Considering, that some posts here indicate, that the collagenous tissue should reach 40-45 C to allow a plastic deformation (lasting extension), is it rather depressing to see, that it is almost impossible to go higher than 38 C (the bloodflow regulates temperature I guess).
However, I think a warmup reduces the risk of injuries, and it does in my opinion improve the workout itself.

I shoulda gave a little more detail about the type of pain, I can’t really describe it but I feel some type of soreness.

The first 1-2 weeks of PE my workout was pretty short, 3 sets of manual stretches and the 10-15 minute jelqs with baby oil. Including the 5 min hot wraps but I don’t count that as the actual session.

I just started doing these fowfers, BTC’s?, and V-stretches just 2 days ago. Also another thing probably halting my progress is not good SLEEP. I seem to have trouble getting good quality of sleep.

Your routine looks a bit unusual to me. You have a 2 days pe and 1.5 days off schedule. Though your dick is already completely worked out after a day of 1 routine, the shrinkage means you have overtrained your dick which is something you should avoid. You should only take a restday when your dick requires it to prevent overtraining your dick. Overtraining your dick makes your tissues tougher without any gains. IMO it’s better to stay on a light enough routine so you don’t require restdays.

V-stretches work your tunica locally. It loosens the top of your tunica including the septum. IMO they should be combined with normal stretches targeting your tunica (upward angle) however you combine them with BTC stretches which target the ligs. Fowfers are like an ADS which usually put plenty of tension on the nerves, v-stretches also put a lot of tension on the nerves combined with jelqing way too long are probably responsible for the shrinkage or overtraining your dick.

What you should do is adjust your routine so you don’t overtrain your dick. Perhaps even make it light enough you can do your routine twice a day spending a total of 2x20mins while still not having any need for restdays.

I have found using an every other day schedule works for me. You may also want to increase the time you hold your streches and do less sets of them for mor time.

The only way kegels can increase length is by increasing the pressure and rigidity of your erections. If you don’t have any problems with your erection stiffness, then they aren’t necessary for PE IMO.

What kind of new routine would I be looking for then ?

How about doing PE on the weekdays and just take the whole weekend off ?

Have a look at my routine thread. The link is in my sig.
When I begun PE, I did exactly as you describe. I’d workout all week and them take every weekend off. Worked for me!