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Ligament Stretching Physiology

now, i think i kiiiiinda get the jelqing idea. force blood into the penis, body adapts by enlarging cells, pretty simple.

however, the ligament stretching doesn’t sit well with me.
- what exactly are the ligaments ?
- what is there recovery process ? do they grow stronger after each session ? should we stretch them before they have a chance to recover ? what is their recovery pattern ? how long does it take for them to recover ?
- what is the superior method to stretching them ? pulses, moderate, or all day stretching ?
- are we stretching them and making them thinner, or are we just pulling them out ?
- what is the sensation we’re looking for, to know we’re stretching the ligaments ? angles etc ?
- after we stretch them, do they go back to their normal size ?

please no replies like — “use the search button”
i have, i am, but i would like to know the up to date info.

thanks !

Curious - while I dig up some answers to your questions, you can be reading the Forum Guidelines. We don’t use “chat speak” here. Please capitalize the personal pronoun “I” and the first word of a sentence. I’ll get back to you on the ligament questions.

- what exactly are the ligaments?

The penis has two ligaments that help keep it centered and upright when erect: the fundiform and the suspensory. The fundiform attaches to the lower abdominal fascia and encircles the base of the penis in a sling. The suspensory attaches to the pubic bone (deeper than the fundiform) and attaches in a web like fashion to the top midline of the penis at the base.

These images show the attachments:
Ligs & Tunica
Ligaments


- what is there recovery process?
- do they grow stronger after each session?
- should we stretch them before they have a chance to recover?
- what is their recovery pattern?
- how long does it take for them to recover?
- are we stretching them and making them thinner, or are we just pulling them out?
- after we stretch them, do they go back to their normal size?

Some PE Physiology
Tunica & Lig Stretch
Hypertrophy & PE
Biology behind PE
For Science minded PE’ers
Question regarding PE speed of growth and recovery time
Google Search: plastic deformation ligaments


- what is the superior method to stretching them?
- pulses, moderate, or all day stretching?
- angles etc ?
- what is the sensation we're looking for, to know we're stretching the ligaments?

A Quickstart Guide to Manual Exercises
Debate - Hanging vs. Manual Stretching
Question for Medical Professionals…
High force versus Low force
I’ve got another lig question
Various reposts


Using the search feature, although it takes some time and effort, will get you lots of answers. Try it for your next set of questions and you might be surprised at how much information is here.

Westla,

That post belongs in the articles forum next to “locating the bc muscle”.

I didn’t do any research. I just used our very efficient search function. :)

Ligaments, injury

I know that some of my worst Rugby injuries were ligament related, in that they were stretched forcibly beyond their natural range. Ligaments do not naturally grow longer; if they did we would not function properly. Ligaments need to have a degree of tension. They can, I believe, be strengthened through resistance work (weight lifting). When I tried stretching my penile ligaments, I found that the natural curve of my penis became exaggerated. After stopping stretching, the curve diminished to its typical left-leaning attitude. Jelqing hasn’t caused any major distress to my curvature, although I believe I have more curvature now then when I started. As for stretching the penile ligaments, I’ve chosen to pass on that technique.

Wow thanks for the good replies.
I’ll read up.

Now, were you serious about the “chat talk” ? I really don’t mind .. Just to be sure you’re not pulling my lig :)

Great post westla90069! I’m going to be reading this for a little while now.

And curious, don’t mind it, almost everyone gets scolded once (‘cept me of course, ‘cause I knew the rule, mawh).

Alright then !
Did my reading. I’m sure I’ll have to reread a few times though.

Now … I conclude that longer time under tension is a superior approach for vets who traditional stretching wouldn’t work for any more.

When designing a routine for me though (PURE NEWBIE), what kind of stretching would be best ? I have a LOT of free time on my hands.

Pulses Blasters or 30-60 sec stretches ? Maybe a combo ..
Very strong PC Muscle. I’ve been doing multiple orgasms before I even knew the name for ‘em.

I didn’t find specific recommendations for frequency (in numbers). I suppose 2, 3, sessions a day would be sufficient to “ride the fatigue”.

What do you think of the “riding the fatigue” idea anyway ?
Wouldn’t it be beneficial to let the ligs recover stronger ? What I mean is, there is an extent to how much you can stretch the ligs without letting them recover. A potential. Then after they grow stronger we can up intensity and go into a new level. Make sense ?

Thanks again.

A question that i didn’t find an anwer to :

What angles should I pull at to target the different ligs ?

Since both ligaments, but more so the suspensory, are intended to keep the penis pointing up, then downward stretching or hanging tends to target the ligs. Although straight out will also give them a good stretch.

Originally Posted by westla90069
- what exactly are the ligaments?
The penis has two ligaments that help keep it centered and upright when erect: the fundiform and the suspensory. The fundiform attaches to the lower abdominal fascia and encircles the base of the penis in a sling. The suspensory attaches to the pubic bone (deeper than the fundiform) and attaches in a web like fashion to the top midline of the penis at the base.

Excellent links, westla. From the google search I found 2 different pages and these quotes caught my eyes:

Viscoelastic Behavior
Viscoelasticity is the time-dependent response of tissues to a load.3 If the stress placed on a ligament is within its elastic range, it is able to spring back after loading. The more elastic the collagen is, the better the ligament is at returning to its original length when a load stress is removed. When a ligament is loaded beyond its elastic range, it enters the plastic (viscous) range. Plasticity is the tendency of a material (or tissue) to permanently deform when the load goes beyond the elastic range.

The relative proportion of elasticity and plastic deformation varies with the stretching conditions, especially the amount and duration of applied force. A constant low load applied to soft tissues over a prolonged period demonstrates the phenomenon called creep. This is the steady deformation that occurs over a period of time. One example of this is the loss of an individual's height, which occurs during the day due to temporary deformation of the spinal discs.4 When creep goes beyond the tissue's elastic capability into its plastic range, permanent plastic deformation is the result.”

Read: “The relative proportion of elasticity and plastic deformation varies with the stretching conditions, especially the amount and duration of applied force. A constant low load applied to soft tissues over a prolonged period demonstrates the phenomenon called creep. This is the steady deformation that occurs over a period of time.”

That answers my question (in a general sense) about Tension/Time. Using higher tensions will yield plastic deformation in less time than low-level tension, which will rely on “creep” to achieve plasticity.

I think that heat application can/will help, as will stategic breaks for deconditioning. So, I would assume that the tension level should be that of a BPFS. And on dual fulcrum stretches, pull until your hands are feeling the shake. Another approach for safety (and perhaps effectiveness) might be a multi-stage stretch: maybe a 2- or 3-minute set where you pull at about 80% tension the 1st part, 100% BPFS the 2nd part, then pull like hell for the 3rd part - the “home stretch.”

“There are two fundamental types of stretch that occur. These are referred to as elastic and plastic.

An elastic stretch is a “spring-like” action in which any lengthening of the connective tissue that occurs during stretching is recovered when the load is removed. This makes elastic stretch a momentary condition. In contrast, the elongation that occurs in a plastic stretch remains, even after the load is removed, making a more permanent aftereffect.

Muscle has only elastic properties, whereas ligaments and tendons have both plastic and elastic properties. As connective tissue is stretched, some of the lengthening transpires in the elastic tissue elements and some in the plastic elements. When the stretch is removed, the elastic deformation recovers, but the plastic deformation remains.

This reveals that stretching procedures should primarily be premeditated to produce a plastic deformation, as a permanent increase in ROM is the objective.

When stretching, the proportion of elastic and plastic deformation can vary, depending on how and under what conditions the flexibility training occurs.

Emphasizing stretching to the position of mild distress (defined as intensity level), holding the selected stretched arrangement for a period of time (defined as duration) and stretching only when the core temperature has been elevated will support plastic stretch!

“Warm-up” and static stretching are not synonymous, as static stretching does little in the way of increasing body temperatures. “Warm-up” is an activity that raises the total body temperature, as well as the temperature of the muscles, to prepare the body for intense exercise. The increase in tissue temperature that occurs during warm-up is the result of three physiological processes (Anderson, B., and E.R. Burke. pp. 63-86).”

I think their admonition to stretch to the position of “mild distress” has more to do with the fact that joints are always involved (knee, rotator cuff, etc.). Furthermore, an athlete does NOT want extreme plasticity of ligaments to occur or there would be dangerous instability of those joints. In some athletic endeavors, an overstretched joint could be disasterous.

And there’s the heat factor again. I don’t think the “total body temperature” is relevant to our endeavors, but the localized temperature increase (penis & pubic region) is….hence the value of the hot wraps.

All sounds good to me Wad. My only nagging doubt is that there may be such a thing as too much load, even when well within tensile capacity if considering maximum potential. The a high degree of trauma that may affect the remodelling result and cause premature strengthening of tissues.

If I could have my time over again, to maximise potential I would stay with low(ish) tension levels until progress stalled, and only then increment it a little at a time. If I wanted as fast progress as possible then I would instead increase the time under tension as much as possible. I expect the tissue quality could be dramatically different that way. This is of course pure speculation on my part.

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