Life of gains

I respect your opinion on this, but it’s sort of ignorant to sit there and say our opinion is dead WRONG. First of all, you really don’t have the experience or the knowledge base to make a statement of fact like that. Secondly, how do you know simple manual PE can’t still work 20 years down the line? Granted, I don’t know if it CAN work 20 years down the line, but I’m certainly not conceited enough to state for a FACT that it can’t.

What’s with all this proof shit?

I already linked you to ER’s pogress thread and while it doesn’t detail a journey of 5+ years, it does encompass an excessively longer time period than most are willing to believe where a SIMPLE manual approach can be effective. If you choose not to believe that, then that’s your problem.

Quit asking for PROOF unless you are prepared to show me proof that someone HAS to drastically increase the duration and intensity of their PE program in order to make consistent gains for years and years. Here’s a hint: You probably won’t find one.

For starters, very few people detail their journey out that far. Secondly, most of what you will find is how intense/long duration PE usually leads to nothing more than tissue toughening and one big fat *unbreakable* plateau.

We’re all speculating here. You want some sort of proof that what you deem is a short routine is sufficient for gains beyond a certain inch increase. I’m not inclined to find any “proof” because you said, “If 1, 2 or 5 guys actually manage to do something like that, they’re an exception to the rule.” You’re basically saying you can’t be convinced anyway. I mean, that’s fine. I understand that you’re doing a routine that is longer than that currently and you will likely be rewarded handsomely for your efforts. I tend to think if the workout is done super efficiently with particular care taken to mix it up and use appropriate levels of intensity that gains can be realized for a long time. This wouldn’t be the fastest way to gain, obviously, but it’s entirely conceivable that the gain over 20 years at 30 minutes a day (plus an ADS for good measure) would result in a greater gain than some shorter period of time with longer workouts (maybe the average around here for huge gainers is 2-3 years).

An ADS is easier to wear for 10-12 hours a day than 1-2 hours of PE for some people, and most people don’t count wearing an ADS as part of their workout time. People with sedentary jobs or who work from home find it very easy to use an ADS. It definitely takes some adjustments and a few bathroom breaks throughout the day, but it’s nothing unmanageable by any means. In reality, an ADS is probably the closest exercise we have that utilizes the known principles for forcing cell growth. I’m not crazy about the idea of using an ADS as the only form of exercise because I think it lacks the impact of other exercises, but I’m a believer that using an ADS is better than not using an ADS and that using one enhances the results of your workout. You just need to find one (or better yet, make one) that is comfortable and stealthy enough.

I really wish sparkyx and marinera would make appearances in this thread :D

Since when did this upto7 guy become the resident PE guru anyways, being a post whore who simply repeats some general info over and over does not make one an expert, makes one annoying if you ask me.

I have checked out ER’s thread and a recent post about “minimal PE routine”. I am still a believer that there’s exception to everything.

I am amazed by how much ER has gained by just jelqing under 15 minutes a day (less than 4 days a week). Another thing he did constantly was “piss pull” whenever he got a chance to. However, I haven’t seen any proof pictures from him (and I have no reason not to believe him). There are a lot of anecdotal stories and experiences on here. From what I have seen from the actual proof pictures on this site, it will be an astonishment to see a real 2.5” length growth. There are a few who claimed to have gained 3”+ (ie. Bib), but none of us have seen his picture. At least not me. There are just enough proof pictures from members who have gained more than 2.5”.

I believe changing up routine is the key to continual growth; however, there will be a point where growth is almost impossible as our body has reached maximum potential. And this, to each of his own, varies from one to another. Some people plateaued at 1”, while some plateaued at 3” or more! There is definitely PE gain potential in everyone, but just different.

With this in mind, certain exercises also benefit individuals differently. Some extremely easy gainers (ie. ER) respond very well to jelqing and stretching manually. Some people have to implement hanging, pumping, ADS and even clamping to push for growth. Just because a member responds well from minimal pulling training, it doesn’t mean that everyone will benefit from the same type of training. The key is to find what works for you (and what doesn’t work for you).

I am jealous of members who can gain so much with minimal training.
And almost all of these members have one thing in common: their penis doesn’t get much erection from pulling. This way they can easily monitor growth by detailed measuring. With some of us, like me, who have problem maintaining “flaccid” during manual stretching, I have to adopt strategies that do not require much hand touching (ie. hanging, ADS). The downside is that immediate result is hard to measure.

I have come to believe that 1) I will gain from PE 2) what works for others, might not work for me 3) continue to explore options

Who is ER?

EDIT: Nevermind, Equine Rooster

I also noticed two training styles among gainers:

1) short intense training with proper rest, where the emphasis is on resting
- usually manual stretching and jelqing for a shorter period of time
- resting is critical for cells to repair for additional growth
*people who respond well to this type of training will see PE growth in 10-20 years of under 20 minute a day is POSSIBLE
*member like ER who has had gained so much from minimal, intense training

2) continual training with minimal rest, where the emphasis is on constantly deforming penis to accustom to an elongated state
- tools like hanging, ADS, extender put emphasis on “time spent on PE”
- require much greater time on PE (usually at least 1-2 hour a day, 4+ days a week)
- resting is minimal
*people who adopt these strategies will find it hard to do PE and see growth for 10-20 years as there will be so much time spent on PE… is it really worth it if a person already has gained 2”+?
*member like Bib who hangs everyday if given chance to do so

It really comes down to what you BELIEVE IN, and how your body RESPONDS to the different type of training.

Yeah, sorry for trying to help people. Calling me a post whore is also very mature, no doubt about that. I never said I’m a guru or expert, I’m only about 1 year into PE.

Congratulations on making an ass out of yourself and bringing personal insults into interesting thread. I’m out.

After reading over my post again, I do realise I was being very harsh and negative, so no hard feelings ok?

Thats what happens when I post something right when I wake up, before cigs and coffee = bad temper.

Cigarrettes kill my EQ :( .

Man, I think UpTo was saying that like any training ,be it PE or making an analogy with weight training or any other trainings which basically use incremental progress, it’s understandable that once you reach a certain threshold regarding intensity and by doing so making progress, there’s a limit which you have to pass if you want to still gain, because if you do the same it becomes something like a maintenance routine and we all have read that time is the most important variable in PE(or so I recall) , not force which is secondary, so that’s why I think he said that if one wants to progress over the long years is perhaps needed more time(>15-30min) of dedicated PE/day.

I don’t quite agree personally because when using hanging or an extender/ads it’s more easy to monitor the progress by (how much weight you use or the length of your stretched penis) x time. With manuals you can’t use the same force every time, so it’s not that objective.

Yes, I agree with you that using weights allow you to monitor the “force” you are applying.

What I was trying to get at is the immediate flaccid stretch gain from manual stretching. Some “PE minimalists” use flaccid stretch before, during and after workout as an indication of a graduate growth potential.

It’s hard to measure length while using a hanging device to see how much flaccid stretch is achieved during the session.

20 years are fairytailes.Even 2-3 years is a hell of a long time

The more you go the harder it gets.AFter a few years your penis will be so conditioned that hanging a Boulder from it wouldn’t produce gains.

I agree with UPto7 but it is sad that some people here think they can gain forever.later

I think this is an interesting discussion and I hope it can continue in a civil manner.

The only problem that I have had with this thread is that SOME of you seem to be completely incapable of understanding someone else’s viewpoint. One thing I have learned so far in college is to be very careful when arguing in absolutes. Which means, declaring concepts/ideas/hypotheses as fact (or not fact) and leaving no room for dissenting opinions.

I don’t think ANYONE can call themselves an expert on PE, so I don’t understand why some of you talk like one.

Some of you agree that you can’t do manual PE for an eternity and makes gains using it.

I, on the other hand, am inclined to believe you can and I see no reason why you can’t given proper deconditioning. My opinion is based solely on what I’ve read here and other PE forums… in that nobody has really attempted it. So, you can’t say it’s impossible, call it a “fairy tale,” etc.

Nobody should have to “walk out” on this thread just because people disagree with them. If you do, then you’re being the immature one. Stand your ground for God’s sake, don’t high-tail and run like a whipped dog.

But you weren’t being helpful. You were being conceited and quite ignorant. It’s no offense to you at all and I hope you haven’t found me offensive, I’m just telling you how you were coming across. Telling someone that they’re dead wrong without any basis or proof is like calling yourself an expert.