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Life of gains

Originally Posted by UpTo7
If you want to maintain, it’s enough. If you want to gain, it certainly isn’t. :)

Some people reach plateau after only a year or so, or before gaining even 1” of length. That being the case, it’s pretty obvious that 30 minutes a day just won’t cut it once substantial gains (such as 2”x1”) have been achieved. Tissue adapts and conditions, once you add 5, 10 or even more cubic inches to your size, it takes more and more work to gain less and less. You can’t gain forever.


That’s the whole point 2” [nbp]gain is ideal anything more would be a waste of time. It’s not like the extra inches passed 9” would be of any use.


[9/2010] 7*6 NBPEL/8*6 BPEL pic's Not PEing anymore. (as of Nov '10)

[12/2011] 7.37" NBPEL * 6.4"

[1/2013] Current stats:7.37 NBPEL * 6.5.

Originally Posted by fat_cock
That’s the whole point 2” [nbp]gain is ideal anything more would be a waste of time. It’s not like the extra inches passed 9” would be of any use.


That depends on starting length… If I started at 7”, I wouldn’t want more than 1” of length gains. Someone who starts at 4” would only get to average length if he gained 2”.

And note that probably no more than 5% of people who PE actually gain 2” of length, so I would hardly call it ideal. More of an accomplishment of the most dedicated.

How many members out of 141.00 registered have picture proof of 2” gains? Not many.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

No gains for me in like the last 2 years.

I personally think that gains are extremely connected with the way you train, things like the TGC and LOT theory, make a lot of sense, You can train 5 years with the same routine but if your penis has adapted to it, you will not report more gains…

Hence the importante of research, experiments, the ability to ask for help when you need ir from your fellow Thunderian´s :) ,

So, it is not a matter of time, it is a matter of how you train…


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Metas:Longitud: 20 BP Grosor: 15 EG.

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Originally Posted by fat_cock
15-20min before bed is not a huge sacrifice.

AMEN to this.

I may put this thread in my signature so everyone can see that you don’t have to hang weights off your dick for hours upon hours a day to make consistent gains.

Movin On Up

ER jelqed, for never more than 30 minutes a day and for never more than 5 days a week. And he never plateaued for more than a few months at a time. He made small changes in time and intensity - added an extra day off - jelqed for an extra day, etc.

He was successful because he dialed-in his exercise-to-recovery ratio to perfection. That’s what it boils down to. I’ve been completely unsuccessful for 2 years because I couldn’t grasp this concept. Everyone told me to start hanging and clamping. I’m glad I didn’t listen, because now I’m making gains.

Can you do that for life? Who knows. But I don’t think too many people have even touched the realms of what’s possible. Besides, if you start at average (let’s say 6x5), is there much of a practical reason to go over 8x6? That’s why many big gainers don’t even entertain the possibility of continuing…

Originally Posted by UpTo7

Whatever you do (length or girth), 1 hour would be the bare minimum.

Very untrue. The bare minimum would be the 15 minute mark, as many, even long time PE’rs, can attest to.


Now: NBPEL = 6.4 MSEG = 5.3 BEG = 5.75

Goals: NBPEL = 7.0 MSEG = 6.0

Okay, then show me proof of someone who has at least 5 years of PE behind him, does 15-30 minute routine and still gains.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

Originally Posted by UpTo7
That depends on starting length… If I started at 7”, I wouldn’t want more than 1” of length gains. Someone who starts at 4” would only get to average length if he gained 2”.

And note that probably no more than 5% of people who PE actually gain 2” of length, so I would hardly call it ideal. More of an accomplishment of the most dedicated.

How many members out of 141.00 registered have picture proof of 2” gains? Not many.


Even if I gained one inch it would be 9” BPEL. :)


[9/2010] 7*6 NBPEL/8*6 BPEL pic's Not PEing anymore. (as of Nov '10)

[12/2011] 7.37" NBPEL * 6.4"

[1/2013] Current stats:7.37 NBPEL * 6.5.

Originally Posted by UpTo7
Okay, then show me proof of someone who has at least 5 years of PE behind him, does 15-30 minute routine and still gains.

Search button.


Now: NBPEL = 6.4 MSEG = 5.3 BEG = 5.75

Goals: NBPEL = 7.0 MSEG = 6.0

From reading all these threads/posts it seems for long-term gains you kinda have 2 different viewpoints (correct me if I’m wrong):

1. Increasing intensity and/or duration/frequency of PE workouts while useful initially eventually are counter-productive and you need to eventually rest a bit and restart employing a less intense and less frequent workouts.

2. The best approach to reach you long-term size potential is to continually do longer sessions and/or more intense workouts/exercises.

I wish I knew the answer to this. Does the best approach vary between different individuals? I guess it doesn’t matter much to someone in the first 6 months of PEing but I’m guessing eventually everybody will have to make a choice what direction to take when progress stalls or when no gains are seen whatsoever.


Starting Size: April, 28, 2010: NBPEL-7" Girth-6" (base, MSG, glans)

Currently: BPEL-8" NBPEL-7.25" Girth-6.25" (base)/6.125" (MSG)/6.125" (glans)

Originally Posted by bohm
From reading all these threads/posts it seems for long-term gains you kinda have 2 different viewpoints (correct me if I’m wrong):

1. Increasing intensity and/or duration/frequency of PE workouts while useful initially eventually are counter-productive and you need to eventually rest a bit and restart employing a less intense and less frequent workouts.

2. The best approach to reach you long-term size potential is to continually do longer sessions and/or more intense workouts/exercises.

I wish I knew the answer to this. Does the best approach vary between different individuals? I guess it doesn’t matter much to someone in the first 6 months of PEing but I’m guessing eventually everybody will have to make a choice what direction to take when progress stalls or when no gains are seen whatsoever.


Just to make sure I’m not misunderstood, I’m not saying more is more for everyone. I’m one of less is more guys myself. However, we’re talking about durations of 10, 20 and more years. After so much time, less simply becomes insufficient to grow. Also, empirical evidence shows that when it comes to hanging, more is more for most people. And after 10, 20 or more years, I’d really like to see someone still gain from manual stretching.

Originally Posted by persian
Search button.


No, you show me.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

I think if you made PE your hobby and become an extremist to your hobby you could gain better than all of us with the natural growth hormones on your side I believe your at a good advantage.

When I was in highschool I read up on PE and did jelqing and stretching. I think I got got gains but not sure if it was both or just pubetery. It can’t hurt to try though.

Good Luck on your gains though.


First Measurement November 1 2009: EBPL 7.5

Current Measurement June 1st 2010: EBPL 8.0

Short Term Goal: 8.5 inches || EBPL Long Term Goal:9 inches EBPL

Originally Posted by Upto7
Just to make sure I’m not misunderstood, I’m not saying more is more for everyone. I’m one of less is more guys myself. However, we’re talking about durations of 10, 20 and more years. After so much time, less simply becomes insufficient to grow. Also, empirical evidence shows that when it comes to hanging, more is more for most people. And after 10, 20 or more years, I’d really like to see someone still gain from manual stretching.

I think you have a point here. It’s pretty clear that one couldn’t embark on a 20 year journey with the same routine and time mapped out and continue to see results. I don’t think anybody here is suggesting that would work. As with any routine, you have to keep it fresh, take breaks from it, etc.

I think you’re forgetting a key aspect when it comes to gains in general. Gains don’t necessarily have to come from only one exercise. Gains can be brought about using a hanger, an ADS, manual stretches, clamping, pumping, jelqing, and more. In reality, there are enough exercises to cross train for a very long time. Even if I was embarking on only a 2 year routine/plan, I wouldn’t stick with an exercise that would unnecessarily eat loads of time when I can just switch the exercise, get some gains from that, and then cycle back around. I’m really not a supporter of the idea of being a pumper, hanger, etc. for years at a time when the loads/time become insane. The body is just too darn smart to listen to the same exercise unless you keep pushing the envelope to the point where you could cause serious injury, not to mention waste a lot of time forcing the issue when all you need is a change. Anybody who has trained their mind or body understands the concept of cross training in order to achieve the best overall results. I think it would be especially important for somebody embarking on a 20 year PE journey.

Originally Posted by gimme9

I am very interested to hear what you guys think.so the question will be, if someone started with a 6, and followed a routine for 20 years religiously, what do you think there new length would be?

I think such a faithful could gain more than 4”. But I don’t think this is a realistic scenario. In 20 years one will change his priorities several times and PE is likely to be abandoned.

PE is considered to be an effort with diminishing returns. I hope to find a way to make it going for long time! :)


Starting BPEL: 6.9" (Dec.1st, 2008)

Current BPEL: 8.11" NBPEL: 7.63" BPFSL: 9.09"

Current MEG : 5.6"

Originally Posted by mypseudonym
I think you have a point here. It’s pretty clear that one couldn’t embark on a 20 year journey with the same routine and time mapped out and continue to see results. I don’t think anybody here is suggesting that would work. As with any routine, you have to keep it fresh, take breaks from it, etc.

I think you’re forgetting a key aspect when it comes to gains in general. Gains don’t necessarily have to come from only one exercise. Gains can be brought about using a hanger, an ADS, manual stretches, clamping, pumping, jelqing, and more. In reality, there are enough exercises to cross train for a very long time. Even if I was embarking on only a 2 year routine/plan, I wouldn’t stick with an exercise that would unnecessarily eat loads of time when I can just switch the exercise, get some gains from that, and then cycle back around. I’m really not a supporter of the idea of being a pumper, hanger, etc. for years at a time when the loads/time become insane. The body is just too darn smart to listen to the same exercise unless you keep pushing the envelope to the point where you could cause serious injury, not to mention waste a lot of time forcing the issue when all you need is a change. Anybody who has trained their mind or body understands the concept of cross training in order to achieve the best overall results. I think it would be especially important for somebody embarking on a 20 year PE journey.


My point is very simple. Some people obviously believe that gains can keep on coming with 15-30 minutes a day. That simply is not the case, no matter the exercise.

When we’re talking about length, there’s pretty much only one mechanism*, and that is stretching (which can be achieved manually or with weights). Variables are intensity (or weight), duration, angle and fulcrums.
This thread is called “life of gains” so we’re talking about lifelong PE and using 10-20 years for sake of simplicity. After significant gains have been made (let’s say over 1.5” of length), you simply can’t gain with only 15-30 minutes a day, no matter how many variations you try to “surprise” your penis. I’m still waiting for evidence. If 1, 2 or 5 guys actually manage to do something like that, they’re an exception to the rule. You can’t gain forever, especially not with light/short routines. Also, you’re talking about ADS/extender. They have to be worn up to 10-12 hours a day for significant (but still limited) results. That’s major dedication and outside of 15-30 minutes realm. It’s easier to do 1-2 hours of PE routine than wear an extender for 10-12 hours.

* Of course, people can gain length with clamping or pumping, but it’s almost impossible to use those methods as main length exercises, especially when we’re talking about significant length gains.


Start • 5.94''x4.92''

Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

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