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Jerking it after PE

Originally Posted by kaan

Then I read a book by mantak chia, who is an expert about taoist sex, and then everything became clearer for me.

Ah, the mystic “loss of energy through ejaculation” ideas of the Taoists. Another subject for another thread.

I cut back on the ejaculation, and as kaan says, it does improve many areas of my life not only PE. Westla I dont think its mystic that you lose energy through ejaculation.. it’s a fact, when you ejaculate you DO lose energy, and this loss of energy does effect other areas of your life. I find that it makes me tired/sleepy and makes it difficult to lift as much when I weight-lift. So I don’t see how it wouldn’t effect PE. About the experiment it’s true it was only one subject with no control. It’s also true that he ejaculated way over the limit of a “normal” standard, but wasn’t the purpose of the experiment to figure out whether ejaculation has an effectat all? Apparently it did.


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How you feel about your ability to do work (weightlifting) and your muscles’ ability to grow are two different things. Just because you’re too tired to lift does not mean you can’t grow muscle. This business about feeling tired after ejaculation is true. But it is due to chemical reactions in the body (epinephrine, prolactin, etc.) and not some mystical loss of Chi.

I figure if I sneeze too much my nose will bleed. Let me do an experiment… OK, I just sneezed twenty times in two hours in a house with no humidifier (dry winter air). Sure enough my nose is bleeding. Does this mean my nose will always bleed when I sneeze twenty times? Does it mean everyone’s nose will bleed if they sneeze twenty times? This is the same logic being applied to Marco’s experiment. Just because he went overboard and stressed his dick until it shrank a couple millimeters does not mean masturbation will reduce or even effect everyone’s ability to gain.

I’ve said this before. The penis does shrink after ejaculation. It’s a function of the chemicals released during ejaculation. Just because the tiny smooth muscles within the trabeculae in the penis contract and make the whole penis smaller does not mean that the tissue stretching and growth that occurred during PE is reversed. How could it? Take a new toy balloon. Measure the diameter of the round part. Blow it up as large as it will go without bursting. Let all the air out and even help it compress by squeezing it in your hands. Now measure the diameter of the round part. It’s larger. Why? Because you stretched it out when you blew it up (jelqing) and even though you compressed it (ejaculation) that did not reverse the damage you caused by blowing it up. The same applies to the penis.

Of course weight-lifting and muscles ability to grow are different things, but one has a direct effect on the other. You seem to like analogies, If the balloon you expanded, stays expanded for 20 minutes as opposed to 2 minutes, wouldnt the overall stretch last longer? Why compress it (ejactulation) when leaving the balloon full for a long period of time is going to stretch it. Pick up a balloon after its been expanded for a few hours, its much looser and expands easier when air is blown into it, it could even withstand a larger stretch when blown to full capacity.


Jolly t'conquer the world, Jolly t'bear witness O'bars which imprison, Jolly in life, Jolly til' death.

A Pirates Progress Report

Goal: EL: 9 EG:7

You’re saying jelq longer (20 minutes vs. 2 minutes) and then ejaculate. I thought the topic was the compression after jelqing, not how long the jelqing lasts.

Everyone is free to do as they please. If you’re convinced that ejaculation has some effect on your ability to gain, then don’t do it. I’m saying it doesn’t and trying to show why I think that. There is no physiological reason to think ejaculation will reverse or reduce or prevent tissue expansion caused by jelqing. Besides hearsay evidence (one survey of believers and one poorly done “experiment”) no one on the other side of the argument is showing that there is.

I’m just pointing out that if the willy deflates after ejaculation the stretch wont maintain as long thus reducing the possibility of greater expansion.


Jolly t'conquer the world, Jolly t'bear witness O'bars which imprison, Jolly in life, Jolly til' death.

A Pirates Progress Report

Goal: EL: 9 EG:7

Once you stop jelqing and loose the semi-erection there is no stretch to maintain. If you believe in the tissue damage and repair theory of PE then the damage is done while the penis is under pressure. The repair occurs later. Compression (natural by letting the penis deflate) or chemical (by ejaculation) won’t change the damage done or prolong the effect of the pressure or change the repair.

westla: when I cut ejaculations, I got better results from PE: less injury, more cemented gains, better ejaculations,… you name it.

Why is this so? of course I have some ideas, but the most important thing is that IT WORKS. Purely pragmatist view.
Anyone who wishes to test the validity of this idea is free to do so (very simple to check) , and see the difference themselves.

Regards.


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

sorry , but I’m out of time to edit: I mean “better erections”, not better ejaculations. (1st sentence)


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

Originally Posted by kaan
westla: when I cut ejaculations, I got better results from PE: less injury, more cemented gains, better ejaculations,… you name it.

Why is this so? of course I have some ideas, but the most important thing is that IT WORKS. Purely pragmatist view.
Anyone who wishes to test the validity of this idea is free to do so (very simple to check) , and see the difference themselves.

Regards.

kaan,

Again, it’s not necarsarily a cause and effect relationship; how do you know you wouldn’t have gained the same (or for that matter, more) if you had continued to ejaculate? So, “IT WORKS” is an erroneous statement; “It appears, in my opinion, to work FOR ME” might be more acceptable.

I don’t know kaan. Because you wanted it to? I jerked off after almost every session and I gained. If I hadn’t would I have gained more or faster? I don’t know. Are you in a hurry? Is eliminating sex or masturbation worth it to see if you’ll gain more or faster? I guess that depends on how desperate you are to get a bigger penis. For some it is worth it and if they believe it will work then that’s what they should do. My point is, there is no physiologic reason to change your sex life because most guys will still gain even if they ejaculate after every session.

westla: there’s no need to eliminate sex. I’ve already said that :)
You simply don’t ejaculate . That’s all.

And again my own experience: sex is much better without ejaculation, because:
- you don’t feel tired or “down” afterwards.
- you can do much more ( 5 times or more per day, no “wood” problems). so much more pleasure.

so as you see, sex life can change, into something better :)
Regards :)


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

I ejaculate several hours after PEing. I have a hard time falling asleep without sex and ejaculating seems to get one very tired and sleepy. I have gained so I don’t really believe in the ejaculation theory, but then again as it has always been said around here is that we are all different. If it works for you guys about not ejaculating then go with it. I am growing my cock for the hell of it, it is not that important to me. I love and need sex and ejaculation is a big part of it for me. I will continue to ejaculate after PE and if it does in fact hinder my gains, oh well!

tnt,

It was the same for me when I first started edging and that kind of things, and it was something “very hard” for me not to ejaculate. So I completely understand you right now.

But just know that it’s possible, and it’s a much better choice to do sex without ejaculations. Because I’ve seen it both ways myself, and I know the difference.


Start: 6.9 BPEL x 4.9 (17,5 x 12,5 cm)

Now: 7.7 BPEL x 5.7 (19,5 x 14,5 cm)

I would be curious to know if masturbation really does stunt your growth as it was always said. Is it possible that those of us who partook more when younger actually didnt reach what they could have reached? I know for me I have slowed down on it as I entered my 40s and ya know.I didnt have the measuring techniques from here as I do now.but I did actually grow a bit in the last year or so. Could it be that a chemical is released in those who do not partake that promotes growth?

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