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Jelqing Tips - From One Newbie To Another

Jelqing Tips - From One Newbie To Another

I’m new to Thunder’s Place, and to the art of PE. I started The Newbie Routine 10 days ago, and until today, I never felt like I was getting much out of the Jelqing. I’d complete my session, and I wouldn’t see any of the post-jelqing pump mentioned throughout these forums. I’d jelq, and as soon as I was finished, my semi-erect penis would fully deflate, and my penis would look like it did prior to starting my PE session - except, maybe, a bit shinier from the lube :) .

Routine

  1. Warmup for 5 minutes using a rice sock (works way better for me than a hot wet washcloth)
  2. Manual stretches (20 second hold in each direction while completely limp)
  3. Jelq
  4. Warm down for 5 minutes using a rice sock

Jelq Technique
  • Grip: overhand OK (webbing between thumb and forefinger placed along the top of the penis)
  • Session: 10 minutes
  • Strength: medium
  • Stroke Duration: 3 seconds
  • Erection Level: 30-50%
  • Lube: coconut oil

So what was I doing wrong? I believe it was mostly due to the level of erection I was maintaining during the jelqing. I was jelqing at about 30-50%, and apparently this wasn’t enough to achieve sufficient volumetric pressure to expand the tissues. Please bare in mind, I’m just hypothesizing here, but after I made some minor changes to my routine, I noticed some big improvements (pun intended).

The Importance of Volume
I’m totally new to PE, as I said earlier, but after reading many wonderful articles on the topic here at Thunder’s Place, it seems that the basic premise behind growth is: you must stretch the tissue beyond regular capacity. The sweet spot lies right before over-stretching (I.e., injury) occurs. Obviously there are many different types of stretching (pulling, pumping, etc.), but as stretching applies to jelqing (minus the pulling portion of the movement), a sufficient volume of blood needs to be present in the penis, prior to the stroke, in order for the tissue to expand beyond regular capacity. It took 10 days for this to finally click for me (maybe I’m a slow learner). Pushing blood down into your penis during a stroke will not result in any volumetric stretching, if the amount of engorgement obtained during the stroke isn’t greater than the level of engorgement you achieve during a normal erection. Eureka!

Combating Deflation
I don’t know about the rest of you, but my erections never last very long without continuous stimulation. I can get rock hard from imagination, porn, or fondling. But, as soon as the stimulation stops, my erection fades fast (probably a mental issue - damn the prolactin). The only time my erections stick around, so to speak, is when they are morning wood or random wood - then the damn things have a mind of their own! Anyway, my point is, if I am jelqing with a semi-erect penis, it only takes about 10 strokes before I go from 50% to 25%, and inevitably 0%. I know that Kegel Enhanced strokes are under the advanced part of the manual, but these, coupled with edging, have made deflation a thing of the past for me.

Jelq Technique 2.0

  • Grip: overhand OK (webbing between thumb and forefinger placed along the top of the penis)
  • Session: 10 minutes
  • Strength: medium
  • Stroke Duration: 5 seconds
  • Erection Level: 80-85%
  • Kegel: before each stroke
  • Edge: when erection level reaches 75%
  • Lube: coconut oil

Putting it all together
My routine is still the same as before, except when it comes to the jelqing. For the jelqing portion I’ve changed it up a bit:
  1. Masturbate to 100% erection, then take it right to the edge of orgasm (careful not to go over the edge)
  2. Let erection fade to 85%
  3. Perform 5 second Kegel Enhanced jelqs, until erection fades to 75%, then repeat Steps 1-3
  4. After the session is complete (10 minutes), edge one final time prior to the warm down

I have to say, after making these slight modifications to my routine, I can finally understand what all the fuss is about. I could feel the blood engorging my penis during each jelq stroke. The volumetric pressure in my penis was high, high enough to know the engorgement was greater than a normal erection. I could feel the tissue stretching, but not to the point that I was even mildly worried it was over-stretching. And after I was finished with my session, my penis was actually pumped! And, it stayed pumped for about 30 minutes. It was so inspiring, and really upped my enthusiasm. Can’t wait for my next session!

A big thank you to all the wonderful members here at Thunder’s Place, and the wealth of knowledge they have placed at my fingertips. May you all reach your PE goals!


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Last edited by MyThirdLeg : 10-11-2013 at . Reason: Fixed some vB Code typos

Nice post. It’s also easy to overdo and head into injury if you are not careful but hopefully you have enough PE under your belt to figure this out. Now you’ve found the sweet spot, hopefully you’ll start gaining well. Once you are 2-3 months in, mix in a Uli#3 and consider plumped bends (on a faded erection) or if you are super careful Horse440s. Hopefully that will super charge your super charged jelqing.

Good gains!


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Originally Posted by MyThirdLeg
I have to say, after making these slight modifications to my routine, I can finally understand what all the fuss is about. I could feel the blood engorging my penis during each jelq stroke. The volumetric pressure in my penis was high, high enough to know the engorgement was greater than a normal erection. I could feel the tissue stretching, but not to the point that I was even mildly worried it was over-stretching. And after I was finished with my session, my penis was actually pumped! And, it stayed pumped for about 30 minutes. It was so inspiring, and really upped my enthusiasm. Can’t wait for my next session!

Glad to hear you’ve found your groove, but I would urge you to regard enthusiasm as your new enemy, along with the OK grip. The only times I’ve done damage (we’re talking 17 years) have involved those two things together.

If you use the grip I show on my site, you can get the same effects with almost zero chance of hurting yourself (by hurt I mean bruises and burst capillaries; small things that heal but are still worth avoiding). Also, without lube you can get stronger pulls, less prep and no mess to clean up, and less sexual stimulation. The mix of lube, OK grip, and inevitable sexual stimulation will lead you, sooner or later, to overdo it.

Don’t mean to sound snarky, just speaking from experience…

How did you manage to hurt yourself with this grip Tom? I’ve never managed it. As long as you are careful with the top of the shaft and you tend towards pressure on the sides, I don’t see where the problem lies. Were you gripping too hard or jelqing with too high an erection or maybe going more towards one of the intense squeezes?


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Originally Posted by memento
As long as you are careful with the top of the shaft and you tend towards pressure on the sides

I’m not sure what you mean by “top of the shaft” (the top of mine becomes the bottom at times), but “tending toward pressure on the sides” is a bit subtle in my opinion, especially for someone lacking your logical and rational approach to things. I prefer to eliminate the possibility of putting pressure on anything but the sides, especially for anyone prone to excess (such as me).

I have never done any PE with a full erection until recently, considering it too dangerous.

No, I managed to this most recently (several months ago, before I got into the no-OK grip) in the shower, where for some reason my dick seems to configure itself to be very easy to pull hard from the base of the shaft (normally, I can’t get any solid grip at the base). I clamped and pulled hard a few times and bingo! - the uglies; too much pressure. Mind, this was getting back into PE after not doing much for a long time.

At any rate, granted it’s a possibility, it seems important for me to steer others away from the only way I personally know it happens, which is with the encircling grip.

By the top of the shaft, I mean the length with the superficial dorsal vein running just under the skin. Mine doesn’t rotate, really. Unless the penis is cylindrical with a harder than normal CS, it would be fairly hard, IMO to not be able to tell by feel.

I think it would be pretty hard to place pressure on the top with the grip MyThirdLeg is using

Originally Posted by MyThirdLeg
Grip: overhand OK (webbing between thumb and forefinger placed along the top of the penis)

>I clamped and pulled hard a few times and bingo! - the uglies; too much pressure.<

So you were doing more of a ULI? A grip to the point of not being able to move it up the shaft further than expansion ahead of the grip would allow?

I’m not sure that your suggested grip is a cure all. I think it’s fairly likely that someone could damage themselves if they try, using methods that most people would consider safe. In many ways I think it’s problematic to encourage the use of something by suggesting that it’s a safer method, when it may well not be. When people think they are on safer ground, they often push further and that in itself is problematic. Ideally, it’s probably better for people to understand the physiology of the penis so that they understand what they are impacting on and what the potential problems are when PEing.

That said, I agree with you that creating a fully circular grip, and pressuring the top or the CS overly whilst jelqing may be problematic. When the Power Jelq was more popular here (effectively a development of your jelq stick idea), many people were using it top to bottom, rather than side to side. I only remember one injury coming from usage in that way but it’s likely there were more. It’s very hard on a forum, to gain an idea of the relative frequency of injuries.


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Originally Posted by memento
Ideally, it’s probably better for people to understand the physiology of the penis so that they understand what they are impacting on and what the potential problems are when PEing.

That’s a very good message, and really the crux of the injury matter, the material is there for guys to read, but how do we help them understand the limits of what the penis can take, We can say go slow, take it easy, don’t push it a million ways (well maybe a hundred), but if they don’t understand they’ll keep clicking on four clamps, pumping to 20hg, hanging 30lb, wearing PE gear while asleep, etc, etc. I don’t want to spend my life advising on injuries, I’d like to help guys gain (in not just the penile department).

Tom’s C grip/Parallel grip might be ideal for some, but for me it’s the OK grip and it feels natural, but I can see where others might go to hard too fast and not have the understanding of their body. Most guys are so “Gung ho” that they don’t understand the difference between the CS and the CC, let alone the more complex idiosyncrasies of the physiology of the penis.

Simple things like treating the first 50 jelqs as a warm up going from 10% intensity to 90% could save many injuries, after all physical tissue stretching warm up is different and just as important as applied heat, we seem to assume that the newbies and the vets know this. That and many other things may improve our health record (I mean the entire community not just Thunders), it’s not just about the grip style.

Perhaps as a community we can turn it around,……. and maybe I’m talking out my arse with a grand vision, (in my defense I’m half way through the novel The Mists of Avalon).


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Thanks for the additional advice guys. I’m really focusing on how everything feels, and paying attention to the way the exercises are impacting my penis, in an ongoing effort to prevent injury.


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Originally Posted by memento
By the top of the shaft, I mean the length with the superficial dorsal vein running just under the skin.

OK. I was in a shifted dimensional space.

Behemoth, in my desire to cut through the crap (in my thinking: complexification, as in gratuitously giving things names), I emphasize that your two new enemies in PE are enthusiasm and excitement: nothing quantified. As an artist (I would guess mem is more an engineer), I tend towards passion, hence recklessness.

Mists of Avalon: “official” recommendation?

Also please note that “C-grip” is not mine; I like it, asked why it was so named, and honor the creator by referencing it as such despite questioning its apparently nonsensical moniker.

I prefer an OK grip and always have. With an OK grip I can focus the pressure more toward the CCs or more toward the CS (which is especially useful for glans expansion) or equally on both, with only slight alterations in grip. As long as someone is feeling what is going on, which they should be 100% of the time, or they are probably wasting most of their PE efforts, I don’t see any additional danger and have never had any problems myself or in guys I have mentored in the past.


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Putting pressure on urethra is bad and most of the injuries I have read of lately were due to using an OK grip - with too much pressure/high erection, ok, but if they were using another kind of grip you can be 99% sure they had no injuries.. One can go on with his personal vision of things ignoring reality and pretending that all people becomes perfect, but : why? Truth is, for most of guys an OK grip is just too dangerous and anyway doesn’t give any additional benefits compared to more safe grips.

Originally Posted by Tom Hubbard
Behemoth, in my desire to cut through the crap (in my thinking: complexification, as in gratuitously giving things names), I emphasize that your two new enemies in PE are enthusiasm and excitement: nothing quantified. As an artist (I would guess mem is more an engineer), I tend towards passion, hence recklessness.

The only trouble with simplifying it is that you get a bunch of guys doing without knowing, and hence not understanding where the limit might be, and they in turn get advised by the veterans (say in this community for arguments sake). There is a natural attrition of the vets as they reach their goals with only a handful that remain to help educate and mentor the new enthusiastic and excited recruits.

The knowledge of those that went before is kept here in the archives, I spent around 7 months/six hours a day reading and learning (and I am still learning). Which brings me to my point, it’s best to have the knowledge before you start, so that you understand how it works. The quick start guide has its place and there is nothing like experience to teach, but a deeper knowledge is a better starting point even a better mid point.

Sure some guys just want to do and not know but that doesn’t produce the next generation of vets does it? And it doesn’t continue the discussion of the safest and best methodologies.

Without knowing the different grips, only knowing the one which might be right for some and not others, can lead to disappointment and injury just as enthusiasm and excitement can.

Originally Posted by Tom Hubbard
Mists of Avalon: “official” recommendation?

Only if you like that sort of thing.


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I think suffering from.

I think suffering from a bit of ed which I have had for sometime I decided to act on it and got a penomet ? It arrived yesterday - no instructions in the box ? Does anyone know where these pumps come form and if they are built to a certain standard ? Is it normal not to have the manufacturers information with the product

Waiting on another one.

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