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Jelq - judging pressure visually

Thanks a lot for all your replies! I will definitely go with a lighter grip from now on. No doubt that my hard grip was too much; my penis kinda felt bruised for the last few days so I should take that as a warning.

Originally Posted by Sliver
Thanks a lot for all your replies! I will definitely go with a lighter grip from now on. No doubt that my hard grip was too much; my penis kinda felt bruised for the last few days so I should take that as a warning.

Glad you found it helpful, comrade.

I’m happy you made this thread, since it was something I was wondering about, too. Turns out that the grip I was using was perhaps a little too light. ;)

Good thread. I think this stuff needs to be talked about more. I always thought of it kind of the same way as others: if I don’t see a bigger dick during my sessions, what is the point of jelqing?

Let’s keep this discussion going. Who wants to explain in even more detail about the nature of jelqing and how it works? Jelqing has always been a puzzling exercise to me.


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Originally Posted by spaghettidick
Good thread. I think this stuff needs to be talked about more. I always thought of it kind of the same way as others: if I don’t see a bigger dick during my sessions, what is the point of jelqing?

Let’s keep this discussion going. Who wants to explain in even more detail about the nature of jelqing and how it works? Jelqing has always been a puzzling exercise to me.

Great idea, Spaghettidick! :)

Let’s keep this baby moving.

First, it must be said that I am a newbie, so my opinion probably doesn’t count for much. However:

My opinion on jelqing is that it forces more blood into the blood channels in the CC’s (this much is of course obvious), thus causing micro-damage inside the smaller, peripheral blood chambers of the CC’s.

I think that these micro-damages should ideally be done lightly and gradually, causing damages so small that hardly any change in the penis can be perceived, besides bigger flaccid hang and perhaps slight discoloration.

The penis then heals overnight, and on the off-days, resulting eventually in increases in size.

I think perhaps that there is a “magic” point of micro-damage which allows the greatest size increase to occur. I think that using too strong a grip or doing too many reps causes too much damage to the inside of the penis, resulting in trauma, which is commonly known as “over-training”.

Over-training occurs when so much damage is done to the inside of the penis that the body can’t catch up in time. Perhaps the body actually realizes that the penis has been damaged and responds by retracting, and by refusing to become erect and suffer more damage. (Remember that the penis is more vulnerable when erect, and the body recognizes this and responds accordingly.) These are commonly known as negative PI’s, manifesting in loss of morning wood, diminished EQ, turtling, and even bruising.

The point is that there is a “magic” point where the body doesn’t quite recognize that it has been damaged, and where the damage can be dealt with easily and smoothly during the body’s normal maintenance period, REM sleep, and to a lesser degree throughout the day. Hence Kingpole’s famous slogan “If it hurts it ain’t working”, or “keep it in the pleasure zone”.

Micro-damage is what should be occurring, and visible damage ain’t micro. That’s macro-damage, and results in over-training.

The trick is to be patient and not over-train, I guess.

What do you guys think of this?

(I’m going to think about the Tunica Albuginea now, and how that fits into all this. Since stretching is important, too.)

Keep it rolling, brothers!


Last edited by Cernunnos : 05-09-2008 at .

Cernunnos:

I am not being one of those smart asses by posting these threads. I am trying to help out. These two threads, (which you may have already read), seem to be the latest in a long line of discussion on this topic.

This one talks a lot about the ideas of retraction/relaxation and finding the magic point:
EIM (Elasticity Index Meter)

This one is generally good with ideas about the tunica:
Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory

I really don’t have any opinion on these threads, they are there for what you make of them.

But, although it goes against a lot of what is considered fact here, I am not totally convinced about the micro damage idea with regard to jelqing. I am also not convinced that increasing internal pressure with blood is totally the action that causes growth from jelqing. But I do not have any alternate theories, and am probably way off.

For some reason that I cannot back up with a logical physiological explanation, I think there may simply be a reaction to the stimulation of the jelq action that induces growth.

I think that micro damage and increased pressure do produce gains, but that also maybe just the stimulation of the jelq also produces gains, without having to do any damage or increase the internal pressure.

This is just an idea that comes from the fact that many guys get gains from ultra light jelqing. Many get 0.75-1.25 inches from light to moderate jelqing. Of course I can’t be there to see just how “light” this jelqing actually is.

This is just a hunch.


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I think when they mean “LIght” jelqing, strong enough to see the blood trapped.

Thanks, chronostone, for those threads.

I was just trying to sum up what had already been said on this thread, I didn’t think I was saying anything that hadn’t been said before.

Those are good threads. The thread I linked earlier was also really great; sparkyx in turn links to another thread, G want7’s progress report, which is really good. sparkyx really knows his stuff.


:monty: Don\'t forget your KEGELS! :monty:

Originally Posted by chronostone
But, although it goes against a lot of what is considered fact here, I am not totally convinced about the micro damage idea with regard to jelqing. I am also not convinced that increasing internal pressure with blood is totally the action that causes growth from jelqing. But I do not have any alternate theories, and am probably way off.

For some reason that I cannot back up with a logical physiological explanation, I think there may simply be a reaction to the stimulation of the jelq action that induces growth.

I think that micro damage and increased pressure do produce gains, but that also maybe just the stimulation of the jelq also produces gains, without having to do any damage or increase the internal pressure.

This is just an idea that comes from the fact that many guys get gains from ultra light jelqing. Many get 0.75-1.25 inches from light to moderate jelqing. Of course I can’t be there to see just how “light” this jelqing actually is.

This is just a hunch.

Smartass? :)

No, I find your statements interesting, especially the ones quoted above.

I’m going to have to ruminate on them for them for a while.


:monty: Don\'t forget your KEGELS! :monty:

I tried jelqing with a lighter grip and I noticed my dick hurt less afterwards. One thing I noticed, after I finished my jelqs my penis felt warm and pliable so I tried a couple of orange bends—and I think I understand now what he was saying about using a low erection level and still getting expansion in the penis from a bend.

Originally Posted by coperated
I tried jelqing with a lighter grip and I noticed my dick hurt less afterwards. One thing I noticed, after I finished my jelqs my penis felt warm and pliable so I tried a couple of orange bends—and I think I understand now what he was saying about using a low erection level and still getting expansion in the penis from a bend.

Yeah, pain is bad. Over-training.

I want to try Orange Bends eventually.


:monty: Don\'t forget your KEGELS! :monty:

“How hard to jelq” is kind of the main question about the main exercise - instead of ambiguous terms like “light”, “moderate”, etc, couldn’t we measure it as either:

1) erection level generated in front of jelqing hand - “jelq hard enough to take your X% semi to 100/110% erect” - or

2) amount of hardness added - “jelq hard enough to add X% hardness to your semi”.

Seems quantifiable - any gainers have numbers for those formulas?

Some other vet quotes:

Kingpole: “make an OK grip at the base hold it there for a few seconds before you start to move it up. But keep the grip lite, like jelqing an egg.
You will get nice and plump.”

(source: kingpole - The salty truth about Jelqing )

Thunder: “if you can tell that you are moving blood, your head engorges when you stroke, you are doing OK”

(source: ThunderSS - Jelq pressure )

Westla: “Hard enough to move the blood inside. That’s the point of the exercise, to move the blood from one end to the other under pressure. How hard you squeeze depends on how erect you are (should be somewhere between 50% and 70%) and if you are using one hand to maintain your semi-erect state, using two hands (thumb and fingers only on two sides) or how used to exercise your penis is.

Sorry the answer can’t be more exact, but it depends on many factors.”

(source: westla90069 - hard jelqings? )

This is what works for me.

I always us the “egg theory” where you should apply pressure like your jelqing an egg, so when performing a jelq you put as much pressure as you can without breaking the egg.

I try to remember with each jelq, if I jelq too hard I’m going to break the eggshell and get yolk all over the place.

It also has a lot to do with erection levels, I think the more erect you are the harder it makes your “normal jelq grip”, so in my theory jelqing with the same erection level and grip pressure is important.

As we all know it’s difficult to jelq with the same grip and erection level “exactly” each time, so, the best thing to do is apply the egg theory, and don’t forget an egg isnt as delicate as you think.

My jelqing:

20 mins “cobra jelq” 5 min “v jelq”.

Erection level:

10-25% sometimes 25-50% depending on how I feel.

Grip:

“Egg theory” (as above)

Time per jelq:

5 seconds each hand.

I don’t think this has to be subjective: we can be objective/consistent/accurate about *what happens to the dick in front of the jelqing hand*: either how hard it gets, period, or how far above its semi-erect state the jelq strokes make it.

Or is that wrong?

Before this, I had been aiming for a feeling of 110% hardness in front of the jelqing hand - which I’m now thinking was way too much.

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And, about eggs: has anybody here ever actually squeezed an egg to death while holding it lengthwise? It’s insanely difficult. I just went downstairs and was completely surprised that I couldn’t even get a “crackle” with one hand: only with near full strength from both (way, way more than I’ve jelqed with since the day I got injured, early on) did it pop (and get on my shirt and the floor - the price of science).

How about a boiled egg instead? They’re soft and have some “give”.

“Jelq hard enough to move the yolk up from the base of a dick-sized boiled egg, engorging the front end without breaking it”?

And how about making it point forward, and *look* like it’s fully erect without being hard?


Last edited by Foryourprivacy : 08-30-2009 at .

Originally Posted by Cernunnos
Oh yeah - better too light than too strong, but that’s another obvious statement.

Never make the mistake of thinking what is obvious to you is obvious to others!

I guess it depends what too strong means.. Definite injuries? My grip is usually on the stronger side because I feel a certain “pump” when I squeeze quite hard, of course not too hard. The thing is you can’t treat your unit like it will grow from light jelqing, whenever I have tried that, I don’t get the bulge, or the pressure, or the feeling of expansion.

I am not saying a tighter grip is better but I find it needs to be on the verge of “too tight” to get any feeling of expansion from it. That feeling of expansion is the same feeling (but only very slight) when you give blood. I have had that feeling when jelqing a few times and I am convinced THAT is what will make my unit grow, a grip tight enough to get a big bulge. Seems to work best at about 70% erection.

Not been back into jelqing long enough right now to say (only done 3 sessions) but before any jelqing my unit was 0.5” smaller, so it has grown half an inch, in fact last measurement its grown about 0.7” really, forgot I broke my record the other night @ 6.8”

This def helped me some, I’ve always had the same questions floating in my head.

Thanks for the answers guys.

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