IPR - Honing In On A Routine

After reading much of Xenolith’s log and searching through other posts, I have to say I am a big fan of the IPR concept. Understanding microtearing, active rest, and decon as training cycles makes a lot of sense to me, and having quantifiable marks for when to switch between them is very appealing.

It seems that although Xeno’s routine was very successful for himself, others who replicated his protocol had mixed results. This predictably indicates that the ideal length of each cycle varies for each individual.

What I’m wondering is this: Is there a “meta-systematic” that can be applied here? Some way of determining when to transition cycles and for how long based on physiological feedback.

You can measure under stress during the I-phase. That was very reliable for me with hanging. I could track my BPFSL right after a set, and it wouldn’t change for the first couple weeks of hanging. Then it would gain 0.3” over a few weeks. Then it would slow down or stop, and I’d stop hanging.

I also got semi reliable feedback with pumping, and measuring the length under a specific vacuum after a specific time frame. But it wasn’t as reliable as the hanging indicator.

Clamping I never tried it, but it would be systematically taking girth and length measurements at various points in the workout, and tracking the real changes (factoring out any effect of fluid build up).

If you can get precise and accurate measurements, you would stop the I-phase when the gains slowed down.

For P- and R-phase, you’d want to track erect measurements. Look for them to initially decrease as the inflammation fades (a few days). Then they increase for a week or two after that as P-phase grows new tissue. Then in R-phase there is a contraction as some of the new tissue is incorporated, and some of it is discarded. After that contraction would be the earliest time to start a new I-phase, although remodeling will continue for weeks or even months after that. Again this all requires very precise and accurate measurements.

In practice, I’ve taken the shotgun approach - do enough damage in ~1 month I-phase, take enough rest in a 1-2 months P- and R-phases - don’t worry about fine tuning beyond that.

I’m using only 4 work outs with 2 days rest after each one. That is the I phase. Then for the next two weeks I use a cock ring to make my errections just that bit harder and therefore fully expanded to the I phase size but without inflammation. I try to stay effect for 20min per day then a further 4 weeks rest. The P and R phases are timed to 6 weeks as posts here say most doctors recommend 6 weeks recover from injury or inflammation.

Can anyone help direct me to the IPR post by Xenolith? I have tried looking for it and can’t seem to find it.

It would mean everything to me considering iam soaking up as much information as I can about everything and this idea very much intrigues me. I would love to learn more, thank you very much.

There is no “specific” IPR post by xenolith. You literally have to read about 50 pages of posts to get a reasonable idea of how he developed his method. It’s in his log, which if you search “finding xeno” you’ll find the thread but…it’ll take some time.

Could there be overlapping R amd I phases to target different tissues, i.e. going from clamping to hanging during this time?

In theory, yes. It’s been called the “Peter Dick Method” constantly cycling different exercises, perhaps with a short break between each. Some guys have done very well with it.

Thank you very much thoughtfulgold! Well doing my research I did already find that thread, and I read to about maybe page 10 so it looks like I have some more reading to do. Thank you again.

I’d like to understand the P-phase better. It seems to me that if you’re not pushing past maximum erect size, you wouldn’t really be doing much of anything.

I get that the idea is to heal in an expanded state, but if the stretching has already been done then it seems that whatever additional cells the body will grow in response to the damage either will or won’t develop.

Say we’re here (erect)
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And we want to get here
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If we stretch it to here
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What difference does it make whether we leave it flaccid here
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Or here
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To put it simply, perhaps overly so, you are not and cannot “force” the penis to grow. You can only “coax” it to do so. Keeping the penis in a slightly larger than normal flaccid state simply helps to encourage a larger size to become “the new normal” as it were.

A larger size than flaccid, not a larger size than erect. If we anticipate that no amount of semi-erect masturbation would ever yield gains, I don’t see why stretching the tissues below erect size would.

The longest FSL’s I’ve ever measured have been after ADS’ing for a few hours. So it may improve actual workouts, by keeping it partially stretched when not working out.

In IPR, the body will lay down new a new matrix of collagen to span whatever wound it is healing. The wider the gap between healthy tissue, the more collagen matrix gets laid down to cover it.

That doesn’t translate directly from an open wound to PE damage. But the idea behind P-phase work is the same - keep the tunica in a stretched state, and more collagen will grow there.

Gains should happen anyway without P-phase work, as you say. They seem to come easier with it though.

Good explanation, thanks. So what is the purpose of the R phase then? Couldn’t you decon during the P phase?

You could. I don’t know of anyone who’s done that it would be interesting.

Perhaps keeping the unit enlarged in a non-inflammatory manner would benefit the remodeling process in the same way that it benefits the proliferation process. That is, more of the collagen that was created during P-phase will be integrated into the healthy structure of the tunica. Or perhaps once all the P-phase collagen is laid down, there would be no additional benefit - R-phase would continue integrating the same amount of collagen either way.

In practice, it’s tough to wear an ADS or ADC for a long period of time without doing some kind of work on the tissues. So it could interfere with the R-phase, which is the main reason why complete rest is recommended. That and it just feels healthy for the unit.