In Search of Hands-Free Girth

Hi everyone,

I’ve been a lurker for many years now (maybe 4 or 5, on and off?) and have done quite a bit of PE in the past. I was a zero gainer, even though I stuck to a few different routines (jelq+stretch, hanging, stretch only, clamping) for multiple months at a time per routine.

After searching extensively about other hard/zero gainers, I found a recurring theme of lacking at least one of the following: consistency, heat, duration of sets, and intensity. Looking back I certainly had the former two, but not the latter.

My hanging was only up to 2-3x20 minutes at 7.5 lbs at a maximum, and I think the muzzle hanger I was using was probably mostly giving me a skin stretch. When I clamped (even with 2 cable clamps plus wrap, tightened as far as they would go), if I was not edging constantly I would lose erection to the point of just becoming flaccid, whereas Big Girtha and others were reporting that they could go totally hands-free and still see continued expansion.

I never felt internal fatigue with any of my routines, or negative PIs. It was like I was doing nothing to my penis. I can’t conclude anything else from this other than that I must have a naturally very strong TA. I am NOT a “less is more” type, repeat experience with lighter manual routines has shown that again and again.

With enough consistency, heat, time, and duration, the collagenous tissues absolutely have to stretch and deform, allowing a larger penis. Extender studies, contortionist X-rays, and priapism cases all prove this. So despite being a zero gainer, I have not lost hope, and I’m ready to give this another go.

My current stats are 6.125” BPEL, 4.5” MEG. I might be measuring girth incorrectly (I certainly hope I’m under-measuring), since I’ve been wrapping a USB wire around measuring that with an extendable tape. Been meaning to get a tailor’s tape for more accuracy.

My goal is 7”x6”, and I am looking to target girth first. The reason being that I would rather have an average length penis that’s incredibly thick and find that I struggle to gain length, than to build a pencil and get stuck with that. If I hit a wall either way, I’d rather it be length. Also, many girth exercises hit length to some degree incidentally, and I’m only trying to gain 0.875” in that direction, so it may turn out that I won’t need to do length-specific exercises very much, if at all.

One thing that really frustrated me before and ultimately made me give up was feeling like I was wasting my time, gaining nothing and just hurting my hands holding my penis. Felt like a huge waste of life. This time I want to do something productive while I do PE, namely finish reading my book collection. That way even if I fail to gain (again), it still won’t be a massive waste of energy.

Currently I’m doing a manual routine of dry jelqing, horse squeezes, and stretching, but I want to go totally hands-free. I have a few ideas as to how to approach this, and wanted to get some feedback.

1- Extreme ulis
Incentives:
As I said before, cable clamping couldn’t get me adequate expansion. Even with two clamps, constant edging, and an IR lamp, I mostly only expanded in the glans and softer CS chambers, meaning the tougher, less elastic CC chambers were hardly stretching beyond a normal erection and therefore I did not hit fatigue or gain (even when I once did six consecutive sets of 10 minutes). I’m wondering if the circular compression of BiB’s uli thing would be sufficient to produce super-expansion without needing to stimulate my penis.
Concerns:
Crushing/collapsing blood vessels, permanent ED, possibly lack of base girth gains.

2- Bundled hanging
Incentives:
This seems appealing because it wouldn’t require the effort needed to find and keep the optimum erection level for expansion, as needs to be done with “blood-based” girth exercises. Also, intensity could be tracked numerically, in both pounds of weight and degrees of rotation. So it could be as light or intense as needed.
Concerns: If I use a lateral compression hanger, it would seem that only the base would be torqued. If I use a vac, only so many pounds can be used (but maybe 15lbs with bundling is more than I’d ever want anyway). Also not sure how even the lateral stretch would be, and if I’d need to worry about accidentally stretching my penis more on one side or part than another. Also is there a risk of twisting lateral and linear fibers together this way?

3- Both 1 and 2
Incentives:
Might promote more even growth.
Concerns:
Same as for 1 and 2, also what order would I do them in?

4- Other possibilities
I’m not super attached to these two exercises, they’re just the only two that came to my mind that seem to fit the bill. I’m open to suggestions on more ideas for hands-free girth routines, so if you have any thoughts please let me know.

Thanks!

Pumping?

Thanks for your reply, Lenny.

I’ve looked into pumping some, but the only scientific article I’ve seen about it claimed that it has no permanent efficacy, and anecdotal reports on Thunder’s and elsewhere are kind of hit or miss.

I guess my questions about pumping are:

1- Do you think vacuum pumping creates enough internal stress on the TA for gains (versus just fluid buildup)?
2- How much time per day would be necessary to get results (I’m hoping to spend no more than 1 hour daily on PE)?
3- Is pumping a passive enough activity that I could read a book while doing it?

Do you use any wrap for clamping? At 4.5” girth, a medium clamp fully closed is not enough tightness to get the full clamp effect without some kind of wrap. I was mostly around that girth as I started and learned about clamping. What I did was super glue two layers of 2mm to the sides of my clamps, and often use a neoprene clamp sleeve around my base as well.

Clamping and squeezing has “hands down” the highest potential PE forces possible. Don’t give up on it, keep testing new things to figure it out.

Yeah, I used enough wrap that I actually couldn’t click the clamps all the way down. I experimented quite a bit during that time with various erection levels going into the clamp and after I clamped down, as well.

I think it may be a shape issue, since I had plenty of tightness. I can get lots of pressure with manual squeezes (horse 440s anyway), but those are held for seconds rather than minutes, which is why BiB called them “infantile by comparison” to extreme ulis. It’s also difficult for me to get the right erection level for expansion in each session.

Time of stretch means a lot, especially when you consider that documented collagenous tissue deformation (I.e. In extender studies, or contortionist training) usually involves spending hours per day in a stretched state.

I don’t think girth work for hours per day would be advisable for safety and sanity purposes, though. So the only other parameters to increase would be heat and intensity.

Come to think of it, did hardly anyone use the uli thing other than BiB? Did anyone do bundled hanging other than Saiyan22? Haven’t found anything in the search feature that would indicate so.

I second pumping!

Two votes for pumping. All right, I’m doing my research.

Things I didn’t see in the Vacuum Pumping 101 post:

1- Is it necessary to maintain an erection once in the pump, or does the suction do that for you?
2- Will the suction subside after some time if you use a hand pump, or does it hold?

I have to admit, pumping is one area of PE where I’m pretty clueless.

Under BeardedDragon’s advice, I gave clamping another shot tonight. I couldn’t say what made the difference, but this time I managed to stay expanded without stimulation, so that’s pretty exciting. My goal of PE multitasking is underway.

There still was no major feeling of lateral stretch and the CCs were definitely the least expanded, although they did appear to be larger than usual erection size. After 2 sets of 10 minutes, I did not feel any type of fatigue, so if I am going to be gaining from clamping, I’ll need more duration.

Heated between sets by jelqing with a rice sock. Probably gonna get an IR lamp again so I can heat continuously.

Still contemplating bundled hanging and/or pumping as well. I feel like bundling might be the best way to ensure that the CCs grow proportionate to the CS, which inevitably expands more in response to a uniform internal pressure. I’ll have to wait to order a vac hanger, though.

Reports went to failure or success for every exercise, including jelqing. I wouldn’t bet entirely on solo pumping. Have to do something else with it, most likely manuals: jelqing, stretching etc.

Yes and the fluid that are building up inside will expand the the tunica over time. Also, fluids will be present at the skin level if you pump too strong or for too long, generating the massive post workout girth.

Gotta find what your penis needs. If flaccid pumping is what your tool demands, than I guess you can deviate yourself to books. Now if you need erect pumping, your concentration should flow to keeping it erect while on the tube.