05-09-2011, 02:17 PM sparkyx Originally Posted by FL_Titan Hmm.. If vacuum pumps are that much better, why jelq at all? Sorry to be asking so many questions, just trying to figure out what to do, if anything. Not everyone gains from every method. Many have pumped and not seen gains, many have. Many need to add jelquing to pumping to get gains. Happiness begins where selfishness ends!Physiologic Indicators for Growth (PI's) Force ThresholdsErectile Quality Thread (EQ) Is Less,More?