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Ice vs Heat and other contradictions

Ice vs Heat and other contradictions

1) I understand the need for heat before a jelq session but I don’t understand why you would apply heat following sessions.
If the idea is that you are creating microtears, why would you not apply cold at the end of a session to help repair.
If this were any other part of my body I believe that most health care practitioners would recommend ice.

2) Admittedly I am coming from a weightlifting paradigm here, but it occurs to me that these stretchers like the
Jes-extender, penis master, etc also go against the approach that we are trying to create microtears and heal them.
I mean, it is suggested that they be worn for hours each day. This however would not allow enough recovery time.
Just like weigtlifting, it would seem that in PE one should do brief, intense sessions 30 min - 1 hr and then rest for a day or two.

Could someone please help me understand the above?

Thanks,

Entheogens

Originally Posted by entheogens
1) I understand the need for heat before a jelq session but I don’t understand why you would apply heat following sessions.
If the idea is that you are creating microtears, why would you not apply cold at the end of a session to help repair.
If this were any other part of my body I believe that most health care practitioners would recommend ice.

2) Admittedly I am coming from a weightlifting paradigm here, but it occurs to me that these stretchers like the
Jes-extender, penis master, etc also go against the approach that we are trying to create microtears and heal them.
I mean, it is suggested that they be worn for hours each day. This however would not allow enough recovery time.
Just like weigtlifting, it would seem that in PE one should do brief, intense sessions 30 min - 1 hr and then rest for a day or two.

Could someone please help me understand the above?

Thanks,

Entheogens

I’m sure a more experienced PE’er could answer better. My bet is you want the heat at the end to maximize the microtears and keep everything as pliable and flexible as possible. Cold contracts and while you are correct that you want them to repair, it would seem that you would want several minutes or as long as possible where you are getting benefits from the stretch. I could see the cold basically undoing much of what you are trying to accomplish.

I’m new, but I’ve been thinking that after a good extended workout that it would perhaps help to keep some sort of light but consistent stretch for about 30 minutes after the main workout. Unlike most injuries that are accidental and you want to go back to the way it was before, these exercises for PE are intentional and you want the body to grow cells to accept the strain. Cooling I think undoes some of that strain.

Just my opinion and I’m sure a veteran can tell you more.

1. You don’t have to apply heating at the end of the session. I don’t even apply at the beginning, because the point of heating is to prevent injury. I feel that after 5 months I know at what point I will begin to cause harm.

2. Extenders aren’t as straining as a stretch, but it is over a much longer time and relies on traction for stretching. Some of these stretchers are worn for an hour, or there are ADS which are usually even less strain, and sleeping overnight is enough time for healing.

Originally Posted by entheogens
1) I understand the need for heat before a jelq session but I don’t understand why you would apply heat following sessions.
If the idea is that you are creating microtears, why would you not apply cold at the end of a session to help repair.
If this were any other part of my body I believe that most health care practitioners would recommend ice.

I don’t think jelqing creates microtears. Microtears are generally referred to in terms of building muscle. Hormones are released upon micro-tearing a muscle (insulin like growth factor), and satellite cells then go to these microtear sites and repair them. Only they repair them bigger and more stable so as to not tear again (until you increase the intensity in which will tear it all over again). To put it another way, skeletal muscle (not talking about the heart, or smooth muscles in digestion, etc.) has a sole purpose of creating motion as a result of gravity here on earth. Aside from the ejaculatory muscles (the BC), and dartos fascia in your scrotum (not skeletal muscle anyway), the internal structure of the penis is not muscle, but chambers that fill with blood.

Jelqing (and clamping/horses, ulis, etc.) do seem to coincide with certain biological adaptations to exercise, but not weight lifting. Think more endurance athletes, and their hearts. These exercises (jelqing, etc.) mimic the gradual stress that goes on in your heart/blood vessles with endurance training. After all of those miles they run each week, with their hearts pumping more blood in and out. The end result is left ventricular hypertrophy. The left ventricle becomes bigger, and is able to eject the blood more forcefully as an adaptation to the work it was put through with the endurance training. Heat is good for the penis (but not essentially good for sperm production so make sure you’re warming mostly the penis and not your balls) because it opens the blood vessles up and relaxes the dartos muscle (which is why your balls drop in the hot shower).

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2) Admittedly I am coming from a weightlifting paradigm here, but it occurs to me that these stretchers like the
Jes-extender, penis master, etc also go against the approach that we are trying to create microtears and heal them.
I mean, it is suggested that they be worn for hours each day. This however would not allow enough recovery time.
Just like weigtlifting, it would seem that in PE one should do brief, intense sessions 30 min - 1 hr and then rest for a day or two.

Stretching can generally work two areas, (1)muscles with tendons, and (2)ligaments. The muscles needs to be coaxed into stretching gradually as well as the tendon (tendon attaches to muscle as it is part of the outer sheath covering the muscle- epimyseum (spelling?)). Ligaments on the other hand do not attach to muscle… there is no actin or myosin, or muscle spindles, or golgi tendon organs which are all taken into effect with stretching muscles. Ligaments are like thick rubber bands, heat will soften the ligaments up, and stretching them will generally cause deformation. Like when you fall on your ankle and it pops out… you end up walking the next day and it comes out again- the ligaments are stretched out/deformed. Over time the ligaments can slowly return to a more stable condition, but in the case of the ligaments in your penis… the more stretching you give them, the better for gaining.

I can remember when I began stretching… after a few months there was no “recoil” and my penis just felt like a worn out elastic. Gains soon followed.

Sorry if this is so long, I’m just rambling.


PEing since Jan 1st, 2003

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