How AM really works (in my opinion!)

I should state, just to avoid any confusion, I did not suffer from ED, and wake with good hard morning boners almost every day. But the boner the morning of that third day felt exceptionally hard and fat and just big. Obviously it hadn’t become bigger after a mere two or three days, but it felt like it was.

The best theory I have read about the AM and how it actually works is this. Through pulling blood out of the penis via the dorsal vein, we are creating brief periods of hypoxia via blood supply shortage to the cavernosal tissue. The body then adapts to compensate by enlarging the arteries. Thus we get improved blood flow, flaccid hang, improved hardness and more vascularity (veiny penis). While optimized blood flow will almost surely help us get a bigger penis, it will happen as it aids recovery from traditional methods of PE.

I feel I should add, in the interest of honesty, this is not a theory I came up with, it was explained to me on another PE forum.

Hope here are my observations on your post:

1. You say that the AM might be damaging/inflaming the vein that takes the penal blood out of the and thus causes a better erection by holding back more blood than was held back previously.
My objection is this: when you masturbate even then there is a lot of pressure on the dick. Although it is not localized on the vein as such, but still the vein is getting nearly the same amount of beating as it is in the AM if not more. Then how come EQ doesn’t go up with masturbation?

2. You yourself feel that a good erection is due to blood getting trapped in the penis. AM causes arterial development. Proof: a more vascular cock. If the am is not causing then i winder how it came to get vascularised? So due to better arterial development, you get more blood. More blood = better erection.

As for gains i have not gained anything so far after 2 months. I am trying his routine properly now. Sodium has been curbed. Sprinting will follow. No session will be missed.

I think we all are overlooking a very important thing. His pictures! Okay there is a chance that someone might morph a picture but i strongly strongly think otherwise. I feel it would be in extremely poor taste to accuse him of this chicanery and there is absolutely nothing to base it on (not that anyone has said it so far). He has grown by doing the AM. I have more reason to believe him than i have against it.

Any arguments against my stand are welcome. I am not stubborn in my beliefs, it is just the right assessment of the situation imho. I am open to be convinced otherwise.

Hot damn, you got me, ol’ Jimmybob and Raybbaby in one thread about Janus. Smells like a storm a’brewin :firejumpe

Haha just kidding, we will behave. In all serious though, I do like to see the effort somebody like yourself, having openly said that your background is finance and economy and not biology, going out and taking a look out into a field of unfamiliar terrain. Although I may not agree with your conclusions, i have a great respect for your presentation in that you think this is a possibility and it’s potentially inaccurate, and you are open for a discussion about it. This is where Janus fails miserably because not only does he present his incorrect information as 100% gospel and expect others to accept it as so, but when factual and indisputable proof is presented before him, he does not change his stance and turns a blind eye, refusing to even acknowledge it. This is what frustrated the hell out of me the most. I am happy to see that this is not the case here.

I will take a look at the link tonight after dinner, thank you for sharing it. I’ll keep in mind what you say to pay close attention to as well, I feel a good sense of enthusiasm :D

I respect this sentence. Nice to see an open mind :)

Just a simple question: how do you KNOW?

I think this is unfortunately accurate. There will probably eventually be advances surgically to repair this (think more like 20 years) but currently, I think this is the realistic standpoint.

That person may have been myself, or Jimmybob. I think with our medical backgrounds we often think along the same lines.

“How it works”. Well, lets put some pieces together how they fit. People mentioned a trench and seeing their dorsal vein (perhaps inflammation and lack of bloodflow) which then causes the body to rely harder on the other veins to supply the blood to the organ. This means the smaller veins would take over the dorsal vein’s role, hence the increase in vascularity (or “growth” of new blood vessels, which is really normal small blood vessels in a state of extra dilation to the point they can now be seen, and usage) and early fatigue. I dont know much about venous leak, and I’ll openly admit this isn’t precisely my area of biology and i haven’t put the research in, but if the venous leak is in the dorsal vein and this vein is closed off from the inflammation, then the EQ would return to a more natural level due to the use of non leakage veins giving the CC the complete supply. As for those who dont have ED, the temporary occlusion of the dorsal vein through inflammation, then the restoration (healing) of it combined with the dilated inferior veins would cause an increase in bloodflow and thus in natural EQ to that of a temporary, lets say “super” EQ. Of course, this would over time, be dialed down to its natural equilibrium. This to me, would make sense, but i haven’t put a lot of thought into it so feel free to add to it or correct it as necessary.

I’m glad you brought those up. They are unmeasured, and therefore meaningless. End of sentence, end of story. I did the AM without measuring for six weeks. I was sure I had gains to report. I did not. When I actually measured, I had about an eighth inch in length. likely from improved EQ. Janice’s gains are much the same. Self reported and absolutely unverified. I swear, I have seen more scrutiny and skepticism about clearly measured, dated, chronologically posted pictures on Thunder’s than I have seen on the “photo evidence” of Janice’s gains. His measurements are manufactured, and delusional. He may have gained some length, likely also from improved EQ. Suffering from ED, he may have seen quite a bit more than the eighth I saw, as I already had pretty good EQ.Him going from say, a level six erection, to a level ten, would produce more of a “length gain” than me going from a level nine, or even nine and a half to a ten. His girth gains are minimal. if they even exist. He certainly didn’t gain a half inch in circumference in six weeks. Nor did he add thirty four percent volume, or six cubic inches to his penis in six weeks. It simply did. not. happen.

OK, I’m sorry if I derailed the thread. I know this should be about discussing the actual bio-mechanics of the AM. But I been sitting on the problem I have with this clown’s “proof” for about two months now. You go ahead and sprint and low sodium diet your heart out. You’ve seen no gains in eight weeks, and unless you are using more traditional PE methods, you are going to continue to see gains like that in perpetuity. Your body does not just “Grow Your Own Blood Vessels”. Not how it works.

Human anatomy, physiology, biology,biochemistry have been and still is my lifes’ work, probably for longer than you’ve been alive. What I have related here, but will not do anymore, is what I know, what I studied, what I have learned in decades of doing what I do and associating with others that do what I do. I do not state opinion but rather facts, rules of living things that cannot be denied. It falls for the most part on deaf ears because people want to believe what they want. Making things up is alright in this world but not in mine. Making things up in the world I live in ends up hurting the very hings I try to fix.
I will bother your thread no longer. Opening your eyes to those who just may know something more than others is not welcome. There’s another guy on here, a very nice and intelligent young guy, who before long you will give him the same admonition you’ve given me simply because he knows more than most guys on here. He knows who I’m talking about so I wish him luck.

Jimmybob55, Please keep posting on this thread, your opinions are useful and thought provoking.

The AM makes my veins ridicilously prominent compared to before. Some veins after ejaculation literally bulge out of the foreskin. Ironically my EQ is worse though. Also I get this massive burning feeling all around the pelvis area so I quit the AM for good.

Jimmybob you’re saying ED isnt a temporary condition am I right? And by the way I read most ED are a neurological problem rather than a venous leak. Also guys I still have lower EQ, more prominent veins and the burning feeling after the AM session 2 weeks ago. How long do I wait for this to go away? Those 3 symptoms have decreased a good amount the past few days but I dont want to have some sort of chronic inflammation..

My take on why and what…

I sensed the rock hard erection immediately after some minutes the first try. I doubt it inflamed that fast.
I also, when going REALLY FAST with the thumbs, can create immediately the hot blood flush. That works everytime!

There is a mechanical reaction and it feels exactly like Janus explained.
A vacuum or “draw-in” is created inside my dick, that I NEVER were able to get with normal wanking or fast sex.
I clearly gained vein seize. I cleared up a “bad vein” and smooth muscle on my left side.

That said there seems to be a noticeable drop off in improvement after some time doing AM.
It feels like I need to go much longer and more intense to get the first week results like big hang etc.
It seems as if I reached 10/10 already. Even a week pause doesn’t give the initial long term PI’s.
I had the goal at first to grow monster veins after the first improvement but there is not much more happening.

I think hope’s explanation about the inflammation makes sense and is part of it.
It’s probably like with other PE that you have to manage the inflammation. Keep it going to some point and then let heal, rinse, repeat. IPR principles are well established.
I also think the TGC theory, at least some of it, applies with AM. The AM helps the “insides”(smooth muscles) to get to it’s full potential, “filling in”. The pressure on the Tunica then is optimal to have a 10/10 erection.

THERE IS NO DOUBT that Tunica can be a big limit to grow.
You would have to do AM for many hours at “high speed” in a fine tuned routine similar to a priapism to get a result.

I did AM for some days 2-5 times a day and I reacted strongly and then had to do a pause after some days when I reached negative PI ‘s!
Like with a clamping routine.

I’m pretty sure that it’s very hard to grow seize beyond your tunica limits with AM ALONE.
BUT combined with other PE prior it has the potential to be the go to exercise to fill tunica expansion in.
For example clamping and then AM after it. Clamping stretches the tunica and AM is able to edge a bigger size then normal wanking.

That is not always the case:

https://onlinel ibrary.wiley.co … 72.2006.00705.x

Dramatic improvement of penile venous leakage upon testosterone administration. A case report and review of literature

Good find Ray… which translates to stretching + AM for length or Clamping +AM for girth ? Infact I am doing the former i.e. manual stretching + AM .

Cool. No one knows what will work best in terms of traditional PE followed by AM in the same workout, or if it will be two or three days of traditional stuff, followed by a day or three of just AM, or maybe six weeks or three months of the usual exercises and then AM workouts for several weeks after that. Or one day of one type, one day the other. This is why it would be so beneficial for us to actually figure out how this works, to maximize our gains.

This is absolutely and utterly false. Mine was severe and it healed by itself. Now I’m on mild, if it doesn’t cure by itself to return to normal state I’m considering some supps.

You guys have a total twisted view about the body. It heals itself, no matter what. It’s always renewing all cells, veins, nerve and neurons, with proper nutrition and time. You don’t even have the same body you had a year ago, it’s a whole complete different body. If your thing is not healed or you lack what is needed for your body to naturally heal itself or your problem was never physical at all.

AM done everyday will have permanent results long-term.

Also, there are studies proving some surgeries to have worked on people for more than 15 years, permanent cure. This whole “works only 2 years” is utter BS.

NOTE: Franktalk forum is full of misinformed trolls, just like this other troll here comparing a valve/organ, with a ‘valve’ in your kitchen #facefckngpalm

So why post on this forum full of misinformation trolls? Also the body doesn’t always “naturally heal itself” tell that to my spine. Eight years out of surgery and the past three weeks have been absolute hell. So I believe that might some b.s.