Hello

***I wrote this long message for Thunder, and he told me to forward it to the Newbie forum in the hopes of getting additional advice from others. I apologize for the length, but I hope to get responses. Here it is:

I understand that you’re quite busy as moderator and all, but I wanted to reach out to you before I dove into PE (similar to a ceremonial first pitch). I’d like to thank you for opening up some more spots for more members, like myself. Also, I apologize for the lengthy introduction, but I do hope you have the time to read and respond; I would appreciate the help of a friend, even if it is “a stranger.”

At any rate, I encountered this site during a very tumultuous time in my life (about eight months ago). By tumultuous, I mean the first time I realized that I had a small penis. I’m 30 years old, an attorney, and have a lean build (so not much fat pad). I am NBP 6 on the dot, and 5.25 MEG. The small penis epiphany occurred to me in the midst of a toxic relationship with a woman who lied to me incessantly. One lie that I was never able to bury was her saying that I was the biggest that she has ever had (and she had about 25 partners). I then remembered how she treated her previous boyfriend much differently than me (more respect, almost praising him, even though he was very unattractive aesthetically), and I discovered through mutual friends that he had a very large penis. My ex denied that it was much bigger than mine, and that it didn’t feel any different anyway. It was the beginning of the end for me.

I began to research averages online, looking at sites like ratearod to compare myself, asking friends about their sizes if they were male and what they would prefer in size if they were female. This took an obsessive turn for the worst, as I began to measure everything and anything, looking at men’s bulges to see whether I’m normal, and searching for pictures online to see how abnormal I really am. I fell apart when I realized that I would never satisfy a woman sexually the same way a man with a large penis is able to do. I began recalling past instances with women who never disclosed to me that I was small, but only a few ever said I was big (and I now realize that they were lying in order to stroke my ego). I realized that I’m BARELY “average,” and I simply feel inadequate. I lost my job, 30 lbs of muscle in two years, and every ounce of confidence. I have not been with a woman since my ex, although numerous opportunities presented themselves. I could not get an erection for fear that I would be judged negatively. I have been diagnosed with Body Dysmorphic Disorder because of this issue, and medication is actually counter-intuitive for me (it makes me suicidal). I want it to stop, since I realize that I am more valuable than the way that I am now.

I recall you indicating that PE will not resolve my psychological issues with this (and I agree with you), but I have been going to therapy for quite some time about this, and it is a fruitless endeavor. It will not resolve the real and true underlying issue, in that it will not make me larger. It only uncovers why I feel the way I do. How informative. I would like to ameliorate my life, but I am unfortunately unable to progress with the understanding that I cannot do anything about my size.

I wish/hope that PE works to some degree. I would be completely satisfied if I could attain NBP 7-7.25 and MEG 5.5-5.75. That is a 1+ inch in length, and ~1/2 inch in girth. I DO NOT want to hang weights or use extenders. Most importantly, I do not want PE to adversely affect my EQ down the road, or permanently damage my penis.

I also do not know whether I would be able to achieve these gains if I PE one hour each day of scheduled exercise, instead of two or more hours (and this is obviously after a beginner’s routine). I have my doubts because my LOT is awful (6:00). Any insight into what I should do would be greatly appreciated. Support, or a reality check, or a swift kick in the ass would suffice. It’s just that I want to get better, and I want “IT” to get better as well, but I’m afraid that I will negatively deform my penis and create erection problems down the road, and that every minute I would spend on PE was a terrible waste. I also do not want to accept it for what it is because it is not enough to satisfy a woman, and keep her from straying to another man in order to be sexually satisfied, particularly in size.

Again, I appreciate your time in reading this, and I hope you would be able to respond to my message. Enjoy your weekend, and I hope to hear from you soon. BE well,

Puck

First of all, you are not “small” or “barely average”. If anything, you are ABOVE average.

Really ICANdothis? I just can’t get some internet surveys that say I’m “small-average.” But if you think so, then at least one person thinks so, and it’s better than none.

Thank you for your reply.

See if this interests you Puck.

Penis Size: The True Average

6 inches is a fine starting ground you have nothing to be ashamed of.

You should do what I’m doing, reading as much as you can and being as cautious as possible so you don’t injure yourself.

There’s plenty of fish in the sea. I would try to remember that today is a new day and you can be anyone you want to be. Forget about the past and begin building a better future for yourself.

Take it one day at a time and just try to relax and focus on yourself. Read and prepare. Don’t worry about what another person thinks. You can’t control what other people are going to think. Good people will think good thoughts. Bad people will think negative thoughts. You should remember that you are in control of your own destiny and through your mind you can set yourself free of anything. Your spirit is very strong I sense it. You have a lot to offer.

Good post ESPN.

Thank you, ESPN. I appreciate your honest assessment and your kind support. I’m glad there are some people out there that are willing to listen. Let’s see what I can do about this.

I have read up on PE extensively, and already have my initial routine planned, but am not ready to embark on it just yet because I would like to be on a healthy path, which includes a positive mindset. My initial routine would be as follows:

10 minute warmup in hot shower, with a warm towel as well
25 sec stretches in all directions (out, left, right, up and down)
75 wet jelqs, light grip, overhand ok grip
50 kegels per day
Two 5 sec rotary stretches
I will start on a 1 on, 2 off, then 1 on, 1 off, for one month

I would then gradually increase the jelqs, stretches, etc. For the 2nd and 3rd month

I know many of you hear this question incessantly, and it must be annoying, but is 1.25 inches in length and .5 inches in girth possible? My LOT is awful at 6:00, so would I have to be doing intense exercises, or wait for four years? Just want to know what to expect..

Again, thank you everyone for your support. I’m glad to be on board, and hope to be a regular contributor and help others. Thanks again, ESPN.

That’s really spooky those are my starting Stats dead on.

No joke man. You got the equipment. So use it.

I would like to be another person to emphasize: YOU ARE NOT SMALL!

Thundersplace has been a great community for me and I promise you that PE does work. Be consistent and don’t do too much to fast (I’m speaking from experience). The gains you wish to make are absolutely possible, just don’t expect them to appear in the next month.

Many people here have dealt with depression and you aren’t alone. Good luck sorting your life out and welcome to Thunder’s.

Puck: First off, welcome to the site. Very nice, well written, intro. I concur with Thunder; ESPN’s assessment is right on. Also welcome ESPN.

Puck, it appears you have been doing your homework, and the routine you describe sounds like a great start. If there are two rules of PE it would be, slow and steady wins the race, and less is more.

As far as your psychological outlook, you are badly disillusioned about your starting size. You are starting out well ahead of most members here.

Never, EVER give any credence to women’s opinion on size. I love women, but they often lie, or exaggerate when it comes to this matter. Sometimes the lies are to boost your ego, sometimes to destroy it. Either way, a woman lying to her man about his size always hurts us down the road. The other reason you shouldn’t’t listen to women is even when they mean well, women are terrible judges of size. Not having the equipment themselves, they are not privy to how men’s sizes can vary due to mood, temperature and many other factors. Tons have been written here on this.

Don’t be disappointed if this thread gets off to a slow start. We have here what I refer to as the weekend lull. Once the weekend is over I’m sure your thread will get a lot of attention.

Good luck

Hey Puck,

you’re slightly above average, basing on everything reliable I’ve read. Your routine sounds fine, maybe I would start with a 1 on - 1 off, but it’s up to you.

Forget about LOT, most of vets don’t believe it says anything meaningfull.

About your goals, no one can say how much you can gain, but most of (consistent) TP members gain about 1/2 in length and 1/4” in girth i n the first 6-12 months, according to our statistics nerds.

A very evaluable tool is our search engine - near any PE (or not) question/topic has been treated here, and we have some very intelligent guys around - so learn how to masterize it.

I think it could be a good idea starting a progress thread. I don’t know if PE will be the magic pill that will solve your self-esteem problems, but it’s not a wast of time.

Well done PE will not cause you bad damages - it should do just the adverse, since one of the first signs of a good routine is a better EQ.

Hope it helps, and good luck.

Hey Puck,

That’s a good story. I had that similar Eureka moment when one day I felt adequate and the next I didn’t. It was probably a reaction to a girl or girls in general, in one way or another. It is like a switch gets turned on. Not that I would want to go back to thinking what I had was enough, I enjoy PE and the end goal. But the truth is when I began thinking about where this complex started I realized I have always wanted a big dick and just never acknowledged it to myself before that moment. Good luck.

Welcome to Thunders, Puck. Just let me say that your goals, whether there long term or short term are very attainable.

Just keep in mind that you have to do things properly, going to fast, just to get it done, missing days, etc. All will affect the outcome.

You should strive for no injuries, doing all exercises correctly, get plenty of rest, diet, and I hate to bring this up, but there is also the mental aspect. You should mentally be in to your workout and goals. It seems like your already working on that, so congratulations! There has been many members that gained 1.25 EL and a .5 EG in a short period of time, some it takes longer. Just do your best and be consistent. Consistent being the key. Make every stretch and every Jelk count, every one the same as the first one. Oh, and “Your not small”.

Your routine looks great. Taking it easy as first is playing it safe, and then build up gradually. Watch those PI’s and EQ, you will grow.

Here’s your swift kick in the ass: you are not small!

I know what small really is and you’re not it. I started out around 2” in length and almost 1” in girth less than you. Things are better now but I’m still in the small range. Take a look at my thread if you want more details. It boggles my mind to see you mentally falling apart so completely at your size. Frankly, I’d be thrilled if I was the size you are now. Your situation reminds me of this guy: The Most Depressing Post On Thunder’s Place. Don’t end up like him.

So go ahead and start PE. See if it helps you out at all. If not, then post an update and we’ll see what can be done.

Puck

I’ll give you my take.

First the facts: 6” in NBP length, is substantial. It’s not small, in fact it’s somewhat above the average (the link Thunder gave you will give you much greater detail). 5.25” of girth is also above average, and on it’s way to large. If your base girth is 5.5” you can wear Magnums for example. Your dick is not small. It’s not the biggest, but it’s perfectly fine. Really.

With regard to your dick, the routine you have started is fine. Just remember that you don’t want to force anything. As has been said, slow and steady…

However, in my view your dick is not your problem. Honestly. This is where I see the problems:

From this I know the relationship was toxic, and she lied to you incessantly. I also sense jealousy and competition with this ex boyfriend; you talk about the respect she gave him - which implies you didn’t feel respected.

From all this you came up with the idea that your relationship fell apart because someone else had a bigger dick - or at least that you, somehow, don't have a big enough dick.

I’d bet it’s not true. I bet your dick is fine. What I think it is, is self-confidence.

Let’s talk about respect. It’s not driven by having a big dick. It’s driven by commanding respect. If you set clear boundaries and respond accordingly when those boundaries are crossed you will command respect. We teach people what they can and cannot get away with when dealing with us. My guess is you let her walk on you more than you should have. Am I right? Can you talk about this at all?

My ex denied that it was much bigger than mine, and that it didn't feel any different anyway.

Oddly there’s truth in this. There are some differences that are undeniable, but for women the sensations (actual physical sensations) aren’t so vastly different - a 6” penis isn’t that much different from a 7” one, but let’s remember: sex isn’t only about the particulars of inserting yourself. There’s a lot that goes on in a sexual encounter.

What is of much greater significance is how the woman in question feels about you. There the differences can be quite significant. Confidence is a must, my friend.

If you feel comfortable, talk about Body Dysmorphic Disorder. How you came to be diagnosed with such, how you feel about it, and what you think you should do about it.

In the meantime the Newbie Routine is your friend.