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Heat + clamping = growth in CC!?

Originally Posted by Crabman99
capernicus1: Ok, that’s good information! How would you suggest to clamp for growth in CC instead of CS?

This is exactly what I’m wondering !
Firstly I think keeping as turned on as possible to keep erection level at maximum makes a big difference, assuming you have clamped tight enough to slow the outflow.

My other thought is the shape of the clamp,
I’ve had better results with a normal cable clamp by lining it with neoprene rather than wrapping separately, I also added an extra layer of padding on the top of the clamp were the teeth are.
This seems to improve CC expansion compared to using the clamp without it.

I did try using the clamp upside down with the hinge at the top but it didn’t work so well.

I’ve also modified a metal t-bolt hose clamp again by lining it, since this clamp is perfectly round it feels different but I haven’t reached an opinion on this one yet, need to try it more.

One last thing I don’t believe you can Kegel more blood into an erection as is often suggested, i think all a kegel does is temporarily increase the pressure, it’s arousal that gets more blood to flow in. Just my opinion though based on experience.

would be nice if some successful clampers would pitch in !.

From PM:s

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Originally Posted by Crabman99
Hi!

How do you do that?

” So my theory is that the only way to get more even relative gains from the CC at least in my case, is to somehow try to isolate the CC more during sessions. I’ve been working on ways to do this using my hands during workouts, such as trying to put some pressure on the CS while not touching the rest of the shaft, thereby reducing the total volume of blood in the CS and increasing total volume in the CC. “

Thanks!

Hey,

I’m not sure how to do it accurately yet but I have a feeling that this is a problem that is really important and that needs to be solved right away. I think it’s important b/c I don’t know about you but I’m just barely average girth when I’m completely 100% hard, and I’ve noticed that I can manipulate the CS so that it fills up larger than it should be, as well as the head so it’s a big old mushroom, and all the while the CC is staying the same size. It’s frustrating to me because my CC is somewhat small in comparison to the CS. In other words, I’m only average size girth if I’m totally pumped up and my CS is completely inflated. I want most of my girth to come from the more consistent CC and not the fickle CS which could be half the size depending how hard I am.

So what I’m thinking from a logical perspective is: “How can I keep the CC completely engorged and then stretch it more while at the same time reducing the amount of blood in the CS?”

I’ve been experimenting with different ways of trying to accomplish this. One way is, while I’m clamped off, I take the glans and squeeze it (since it’s an over-inflated mushroom tip and I don’t need it bigger than it already is anyway) because I figure that’s extra blood that could be used to create more pressure inside the shaft. Now what happens next is that this creates a lot of pressure down at the base, and it’s the type of pressure that causes me to have to lighten up even though the shaft can handle more pressure — kind of like going for a run and getting shin splints before you’re out of breath.

To get over this problem, I take my index and thumb of my other hand and wrap it at the base, just very very lightly, but with just enough pressure to take some of the pressure off the base so it doesn’t hurt when I squeeze the glans anymore.

It feels like this works to some extent because the glans is attached to the CS and by redirecting blood back out of the head and into the shaft, some of the pressure is being taken off the glans, but I’ll be honest and say that there’s got to be another better way to get more pressure off the CS and on to the CC. I thought of trying different ways of holding the shaft while clamped to squeeze on the CS somehow but the problem with that is that if you grab the CS and squeeze, you’re still squeezing the rest of the shaft too and that’s not what I want.

So to sum it all up I really have no fucking clue how to isolate it! That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna try to figure it out though. And if you figure something out you should let me know cause I think it’s critical to getting the best gains as quick as possible.

Sorry this email is so wordy but now you basically know my whole thought process on this issue. What do you think? Have you tried anything that seems to help? Maybe we could just put our dicks on the kitchen table and put a few cinder blocks on top of em. That might work.. Ha ha.

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Oh one other thing:

I also think heat and warmup has a lot to do with it. I have an IR lamp but I noticed I was still getting red dots even after a long warmup under the lamp so today I’m gonna try to do an extra long warmup stretch session. Like maybe four or five sets where I’m just using half of full pressure or maybe a little less before I actually go into the heavy pressure work sets. Just an idea.. Because the CC is so much tougher and harder to stretch in the first place so it might just need extra warmup time to loosen it up.

Crabman:
Thanks for great answers!

1. Heat. Maybe the CC:s need heat in order to be worked out. The theory would be that since the CS only have one layer of tunica and CC:s have 2-3 layers heat could “loosen up” the tunica so much that it does not matter if there are one or more layers (they become pliable so to speak). In order for this to work we need to find the correct temperature and also be able to keep that temperature throughout the exercise.

“We all know that heat (about 110 F= 43,33 C)) will soften connective tissue.” MagnumXL
Source: Heat Clamping

I will assume that this is a truth in order to get things moving. Next problem is to keep that temperature for an extended time (5-20 min). Heat pads (electrical) are suggested. I have never seen one of these, but I guess you could experiment with IR lamp, rice socks, bath tub etc. Personally I will try a bath tub as I then can measure the water easily. I will also solve the problem to get the heat all around my penis.

Conclusion:
Clamping (or other exercises, see below) in a bath tub in 110 degrees F (43,33 C) is my best bet so far. I believe 10 minutes is enough, especially if you keep heat on throughout the workouts. Keep a thermometer in the tub and just fill up with hot water when needed. (Today I will try if I even can stand sitting in that hot water… :) )

2.

(again…the 10 min edit rule is not one of my favorite rules…)

2. Could bends be targeting CC better than clamping? Why? Well, maybe it does not matter how many layers of tunica the cc has if we get a real expansion? It also seems that the CC:s are expanding more than the CS when doing bends. But I might be wrong.

Conclusion: As a hypothesis. Try alternating or exchaning clamping with bends in hot tub (110 F).

Who has gained girth in the CC:s? Please add to our discussion!

CC growth is the way to fame and glory! ;)

More on heat:

Hobby: “There is some info in this thread (Connective tissue- FIRST “THREAD OF THE YEAR”.)
They say over 104 degrees. Be careful not to go too hot. You’d burn the skin before causing damage to ligs from applying heat externally. Ultrasound is a different story. BTW, a temperature of a hair over 152 degrees is used to shrink ligs.”

OK, so between 104-110 degrees F (40-43 degrees C). I guess as hot as you can stand. Don’t worry about shrinking… Sitting in a bath tub with a water temperature of 152 F (67 C) is only possible for a very certain kind of people. Hopefully you aint that kind ;)

Peforeal gives some interesting information, and also points out what we know - growth in CS is easier than in CC:

“Interesting observation about the CS that you bring up. I’ve made good girth gains, and the majority of it has occurred in the CS region. Just like you, the greatest growth is at the base of my dick and moving up the shaft. In the past few months, I’m now noticing that I’m finally getting more horizontal (across the top of my dick) width expansion, whereas before it was mostly vertical (side)expansion reflected in the thicker CS region. I attribute my gains mostly to pumping.

I don’t have a bend like you, but perhaps pumping could help you accelerate your gains, if you don’t already pump.”

So, pumping should definitely be explored. I have tried pumping for a short while and I can attest that the CC:s grow, at least temporary. (Seems like I have to stop pumping as I just started hanging, and I get the advice to stay away from anything but hanging now. Bummer :( I was on my way to gaining girth, I think. )

My experience with pumping would confirm most of the above, I’d say 90% of the post pump expansion was in the CS.
The CS was also the area most prone to red spots or bruising , worth pointing out is the fact that I was using fairly constant heat in the form of hot water in the tube so I’m unconvinced by the constant heat theory as I get equivalent or better expansion from clamping.

I’m sure it’s just a time/pressure problem, the amount of pressure I could safely use with a pump just wasn’t enough to deform the tunica of the CCs even over longer time frames.

For some reason using a clamp I can achieve much higher perceived internal pressures with no skin issues .
After 20/30mins width is noticeably increased so the CCs are expanding, whether this leads to gains is up for question

Maybe in the same way as some hangers don’t gain till they reach a certain weight you wont gain in girth until you reach and hold a certain pressure, the problem is doing so safely.

If you are right then we need to experiment with different variations on pressure and time, i.e. is there a difference in expansion in CS and CC if we have lower pressure and longer time and vice versa.

I am on a hanging schedule so no clamping for me until I have made significant length gains.

Just a thought: What about 2 or more clamps? That would increase internal pressure which seems to be what is needed for CC growth. I have read about members doing this but I can’t remember who. Would be interesting to know if they have had a different experience (more growth in CC) than members using one clamp.

I used heated towels before and in between clamping sets and afterwards as well. I am one to believe heat helped a lot with my gains. Here is the page I posted years ago, I believe it is paragragh 7 or 8. tntjockey - I have reached my goals

This is a great topic.

Heat is definitely important to relaxing collagen into a flexible state, but I still see no conclusive evidence that it’s 44ºC, all I’ve found is that Collagen (Type IV) Melts at 48*C. If collagen is anything like gelatin (for food), the temperature range between melting and solid is small. 48ºC is what I’ve been shooting for when I do some pumping once a week or so, which I think is working. Though I have little in the way of measuring the temperature I achieve. Your skin burns in 5 seconds at ~140ºF (~60ºC), I don’t think it’s humanly possible to get to 150ºF without reacting and removing the source of heat save for desensitization, so that’s good news.

Source for Water Based Burning Point: http://www.accuratebuilding.com/ser…ding_graph.html
Source for Collagen Melting point: http://www.slideshare.net/nashton/collagen-5444601

I’m going to attest that a heat of 50ºC (122ºF) is a fine goal for a localized temperature, which ramps down to 45ºC after a few minutes to prevent burning and because of the inaccuracy of tools for measuring this heat. The body is going to try and perform thermoregulation, which is good because it should even the temperature out instead of the grunt of the heat going to your skin. For clamping, perhaps it could be a bit less, at 48ºC (~120ºF) because of the pure lack of circulation.

This all increases the importance of your cooldown period. Which will make it so you when you end your session, you remain elongated (at least your collagen).


Size is little more than a controllable perception without an accurate means of measurement.

Interesting information, Jawbone. I didn’t know about skin burning in 5 seconds at 60° C. I guess my rice sock sometimes exceeds that temperature because sometimes it burns after 1-2 seconds so I have to let it cool off before applying… Which gives me an idea. Next time I’m going to measure its usual temperature (after ~70 seconds at 700 watts in microwave) using digital thermometer.


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Originally Posted by UpTo7

Interesting information, Jawbone. I didn’t know about skin burning in 5 seconds at 60° C. I guess my rice sock sometimes exceeds that temperature because sometimes it burns after 1-2 seconds so I have to let it cool off before applying… Which gives me an idea. Next time I’m going to measure its usual temperature (after ~70 seconds at 700 watts in microwave) using digital thermometer.

I’m reading 75 °C few minutes after microwaving. More than I expected. I guess I’ll have to microwave less. :)


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Now • 6.50''x4.96''

Goal • 7.00''x5.75''

Originally Posted by Crabman99
Just a thought: What about 2 or more clamps? That would increase internal pressure which seems to be what is needed for CC growth. I have read about members doing this but I can’t remember who. Would be interesting to know if they have had a different experience (more growth in CC) than members using one clamp.

Where would you apply the two clamps? One behind the Glans and the other at the Base?


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Originally Posted by King1990
Where would you apply the two clamps? One behind the Glans and the other at the Base?

I also posted this years ago, although I don’t recommend it. fourth paragragh tntjockey - I have reached my goals

I also don’t want to hi-jack this thread.

If I do try 2 clamps it’ll be one right next to the other, get as much pressure with the first one then slowly clamp the second to ramp up the pressure.

I don’t want to resort to it until I know for sure that 1 isn’t working.

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