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Gained a quarter inch in girth but lost it in lenght? HELP

Monty can you please answer these questions for me? “Well I am just following the newbie routine. I really need length I mean at least an inch but my girth is pathetic and need that as well. So should I just go hard stretching for a month or until I stop gaining length? I got jelqing down ( at least from my perspective I am sure I’m not doing it perfect ) but my stretches I need to work on. Is it possible to just do the newbie routine and gain both length and girth or should I only concentrate on length?”

If you concentrate on length exercises you’ll find that your girth will grow. Might not be very much but length exercises when done correctly will have girth gains come along for the ride.

Jelqing can be a two edged sword because while your in a Jelq your creating internal pressure which will tend to increase girth. You might think this an OK result but if you can stretch without internal pressure your length gains will be quicker. When get to your length goal then you can apply girth gaining exercises and what you will find is that they will come rather quickly. Girth is easier to accomplish then length. Clamping is the key to girth gains. Avoid pumping because typically pumping is futile because all it achieves is fluid accumulation in the dermal layers and some internally but when you stop then everything returns to where you started.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Monty, you don’t like pumping at all ?

I have been pumping for a short while now and just figure it will help with girth in the long run.

Clamping I don’t get.I have tryed manually doing it but didn’t .comlow up” like some of the pics I have seen.

The pics are scarry !!

I worry about a blood clot forming !

Originally Posted by Monty:
If you concentrate on length exercises you’ll find that your girth will grow. Might not be very much but length exercises when done correctly will have girth gains come along for the ride.

Jelqing can be a two edged sword because while your in a Jelq your creating internal pressure which will tend to increase girth. You might think this an OK result but if you can stretch without internal pressure your length gains will be quicker. When get to your length goal then you can apply girth gaining exercises and what you will find is that they will come rather quickly. Girth is easier to accomplish then length. Clamping is the key to girth gains. Avoid pumping because typically pumping is futile because all it achieves is fluid accumulation in the dermal layers and some internally but when you stop then everything returns to where you started.

If you do manual girth exercises and use pumping after as an amplifier.. do you think the pumping is a waste off time anyway Monty?


Starting size: 7.48" X 5.51" Currently: 10.1" X 6.4"

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What is poignant in my mind was a guy who joined here at thunders from England and his testimony was that he had been pumping for years and gained nothing. That concurred with my experience that pumping was futile in terms of any tangible results. Yes, you get expansion, Yes, you will get increased blood flow for a short period but very shortly after stopping the application, the fluids accumulated are reabsorbed by the body and your back to square one.

Clamping on the other hand can be beneficial in that it creates pressure from the inside that expands internal tissues which will lead to a host of enlargement benefits if rules are followed precisely. Those rules are merely: no longer then 10 minute sets to prevent discoloration of the dermal layers. You control the pressure applied and the duration of a set, so there really is no danger of physical damage here. Clamping should only be utilized if your only wanting to create girth growth because with increased girth, length gains are more difficult.


09-2003 BPEL:6.0x5.5

11-2004 BPEL:8.25x6.25 . . 9+ by Spring is the goal AIR CLAMP

Now BPEL:8 5/8 x 6 5/8 PE Weights

Originally Posted by Monty:
You see this whole thread is missing a very important point of enlargement and that is you don’t want to try and mix girth work with length work. The general principle is to choose one or the other for the very fact that one set of exercises interferes with the other. If your after length gains then girth work will mess up hanger settings and if your only doing stretches you’ll find the same thing as has been reported here and that is length will be affected by girth work or Jelqing for that matter.

One of the other aspects here that probably needs to be mentioned is that when you create more volume via girth work i.e. Jelqing, pumping or clamping, if in the future you want to work on length you’ll have a harder time making gains because you’ll have more volume of tissue to have to work around. A hanger will be harder to fit and be comfortable with. I, for one, have gained enough girth that my hanger (which is a Bib) is on the edge of not working well for me any more because I fill up the clamp and what extra skin I have from girth now wants to get caught in the closure points.

If all your after is girth then don’t pay attention to length because it will be affected.

That is exactly what I was getting at! But this is a very good explanation. the only problem is working around it.

..And then there’s always the turtling issue!! That is another thing. you go to all this trouble to increase your size but are left with less after shrinkage due to the turtle effect.


My current dimensions: flaccid: 8" x 6.5" erect: 9.5" x 7.125" glans: soft length:1.825" soft diameter 1.65" firm length:2.286" firm diameter:1.90"

Goal: flaccid: 9" x 7" (.1" length .5" girth) erect: 10" x 8" ( .5" length 1" girth) glans: soft length: 2.25" soft diameter: 2" firm length: 2.5" firm diameter: 2.25"

Ultimate goal: flaccid: 10" x 8" erect: 11.5" x 9.75" glans: soft length: 2.5" soft diameter: 2.25" firm length: 4" firm diameter: 3" In other words: A big, fat elephant cock!

Originally Posted by Monty:
If you concentrate on length exercises you’ll find that your girth will grow. Might not be very much but length exercises when done correctly will have girth gains come along for the ride.

Jelqing can be a two edged sword because while your in a Jelq your creating internal pressure which will tend to increase girth. You might think this an OK result but if you can stretch without internal pressure your length gains will be quicker. When get to your length goal then you can apply girth gaining exercises and what you will find is that they will come rather quickly. Girth is easier to accomplish then length. Clamping is the key to girth gains. Avoid pumping because typically pumping is futile because all it achieves is fluid accumulation in the dermal layers and some internally but when you stop then everything returns to where you started.

Okay thank you I appreciate that info. I didn’t know to track just my BPEL and actually figuered out I am up to 6.5” from 6.25”. The NBPEL vary’s from 5-5.30” now. I think I will concentrate more on my stretches rather than the jelqing. I will still jelq but not about half the amount I used to do. I’ve read a super long thread on camping I’m on the 30th page but probably won’t even think about it until I am at the 4 - 5 month range. I already ordered the bathmate so I might just use it before I have sex. Would I mess up my length gains if I did semi flaccid jelqing? Or is that a complete waste of time?

I am wrapping my penis after PE to avoid turtling. I haven’t turtled since I started wrapping.

Originally Posted by Agnos
How long should I wait to measure NBPEL? Because that is what I’m really after here. Due the gains from BPEL and BPFSL tend to predict how much you would gain on NBPEL?

You can measure NBPEL as much as you like but, that is just for in the bedroom and locker room chest thumping. BPEL measurements provide a positive anchor point and should translate gains to NBPEL provided you don’t gain more fat pad.
Measuring BPFSL takes any EQ issues out of the equation and you may see an increase in your BPFSL before you see an increase in BPEL.

More to your original post. If you weren’t at 100% erection, your girth will be slightly larger. Your length, shorter. If you wake up with diamond cutter morning, you might find that your length is slightly longer and your girth is slightly smaller than your normal measurements. It can be tricky, but usually semi erect girth is larger then fully erect.

If you have wrap to avoid “the turtle”, you may be overworking a bit. Just the same as the drop in EQ in your original post.

You just need to find your sweet spot.


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Traction wrapping is 1 off the best way to avoid turteling.. you can wrap in in so many different ways, depends on your purpose. But if you overworking your sessions wrapping will just overdo it even more.

I traction wrapping and have done that for a while now.. not just for the turtleing but for other things too. One thing with wrapping is that is good and healty for your skin and if you wrap right! It’s good for the circulation too.wrapping takes time to learn as other exercises of course

Listen to your body what you can handle and what you need to find your sweet spot.. then go with the flow!


Starting size: 7.48" X 5.51" Currently: 10.1" X 6.4"

Heat is the key!

Originally Posted by Monty:
If you concentrate on length exercises you’ll find that your girth will grow. Might not be very much but length exercises when done correctly will have girth gains come along for the ride.

Jelqing can be a two edged sword because while your in a Jelq your creating internal pressure which will tend to increase girth. You might think this an OK result but if you can stretch without internal pressure your length gains will be quicker. When get to your length goal then you can apply girth gaining exercises and what you will find is that they will come rather quickly. Girth is easier to accomplish then length. Clamping is the key to girth gains. Avoid pumping because typically pumping is futile because all it achieves is fluid accumulation in the dermal layers and some internally but when you stop then everything returns to where you started.

So how can I do this? The stretch without internal pressure for the length gains quicker than normally?


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Originally Posted by KenObie
You can measure NBPEL as much as you like but, that is just for in the bedroom and locker room chest thumping. BPEL measurements provide a positive anchor point and should translate gains to NBPEL provided you don’t gain more fat pad.
Measuring BPFSL takes any EQ issues out of the equation and you may see an increase in your BPFSL before you see an increase in BPEL.

More to your original post. If you weren’t at 100% erection, your girth will be slightly larger. Your length, shorter. If you wake up with diamond cutter morning, you might find that your length is slightly longer and your girth is slightly smaller than your normal measurements. It can be tricky, but usually semi erect girth is larger then fully erect.

If you have wrap to avoid “the turtle”, you may be overworking a bit. Just the same as the drop in EQ in your original post.

You just need to find your sweet spot.

Okay I think I will measure NBPEL like once a year then. I am on a diet and lost 15 lbs so far so the fat pad should disappear eventually. I have measured BPFSL and its ridiculous like 7.25” I guess I can start tracking it in my log. I read someones progress report and they seemed to gain first in BPFSL then BPEL then NBEL. So I may start tracking all measurements and possibly measuring my fat pad too lol. I haven’t woken up with morning wood in like 5 or 6 years and I’m 28. Although since starting PE ( aside from like a few days where it just dropped off) my EQ is getting much better especially during sex.I find it interesting how semi erect could be larger girth wise than a normal measurement. That gives me a little peace of mind and an explanation as to wtf happened. I actually am wrapping to avoid turtling and to cement flaccid gains. I haven’t noticed any turtling and only shrinking after 2 days of rest from PE. I think I am finding my sweet spot right now and learning a lot about what is good for me and why.

Ok I’m new to this and I have a question. Does jelq increase both length and girth? I’m starting at 7.5” BPEL and 5.6” BPEG but I feel like it’s not enough. I only had sex with one partner and she took it fairly well

Originally Posted by Edd dickens

Ok I’m new to this and I have a question. Does jelq increase both length and girth? I’m starting at 7.5” BPEL and 5.6” BPEG but I feel like it’s not enough. I only had sex with one partner and she took it fairly well

I put up a couple pictures

Originally Posted by Edd dickens
I put up a couple pictures

Great and I deleted them, perhaps a good place to start would be,

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