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One more thing! When you do this PE shit long enough, you get alot better eye for someone elses pictures/or in person. At one point I thought I was really small compared to everyone else. Now I look around and think wow, I am bigger than most (besides when the flaccid is real bad haha). You will see that alot of guys are actually quite average and those noticeably over 6 are the ones you once thought could be pushing 8.

Ukranian, I don’t think your insecure, nor do I think your way off. I was actually amused (and not in a bad way) by your post. I’d like to respond to a couple things, first, I probably do have BDD, because when I was jacked out of my mind at 245-250lbs, I felt puny, but looking back on it, I’m only about 215-220 right now (life hit and I could no longer be a gym rat), I know I was a pretty big guy, moving very heavy weight around in the gym. Second, my view on the importance of penis size isn’t about my dad, thats just a piece of it. You should read some of my other posts on other threads, hard to explain every single life experience on an issue in one post, but its all good. I think I just posted a girl (perhaps it was on here) who just totally blew me off for an unemployed wanna be rapper who has a rep for being large (and thats about all he has going on), and this girl is hot too. Third, your analysis about money is spot on, personality, looks, sure, they are issues, they could help you meet HOT females, but by themselves will not keep a hot female, that is the truth.

Anyway, you seem like a pretty sincere guy, I hope you don’t take my posts the wrong way. I’m just trying to fill you in on my reality man.


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
One more thing! When you do this PE shit long enough, you get alot better eye for someone elses pictures/or in person. At one point I thought I was really small compared to everyone else. Now I look around and think wow, I am bigger than most (besides when the flaccid is real bad haha). You will see that alot of guys are actually quite average and those noticeably over 6 are the ones you once thought could be pushing 8.

Is your girth really over 7”, or was that like a typo?


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
Guys who are saying 7 inches rarely are. Although its impossible to average it, I would say most people that say this fall into the category of 6-6.5 (maybe they are stating BP).

What do you think guys are measuring, NPBEL? The numbers I’ve entered as my stats are BPEL, just like what is asked.


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

Hardbody, I respect that. as a fellow BDD guy myself I know what its like to obsess about this issue to the point where I wander why anyone close to me even wants to talk to me, especially my g/f. I wander how our experiences differ so much. I do agree with you that if you got nothing goin but your rumored to have a giant dick that it can be a turn on to a certain type of woman (and yes this type is usually hot, and they sleep around——but man are they fun type) I don’t doubt their existance. In fact my cousin is that guy, but even he has only ever claimed over 7 in length, and a little over 6 in girth.

in response to your other question about the average guys measuring techniques. I question the methodology/measuring technique for those who don’t know about PE. I suspect that many of them take both measurements, and in conversation they give a very slight exaggeration of the greatest number. It seems to be that the average guy of say 5.5 NBP-6.3BP will say “yeah i’m packin 6.5, not to bad and then chuckle” meanwhile someone with BDD, or penis insecurities will say damn, is 6.5 really average??

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
One more thing! When you do this PE shit long enough, you get alot better eye for someone elses pictures/or in person. At one point I thought I was really small compared to everyone else. Now I look around and think wow, I am bigger than most (besides when the flaccid is real bad haha). You will see that alot of guys are actually quite average and those noticeably over 6 are the ones you once thought could be pushing 8.

Great post man the previous post you made showed some of the greatest arguments I have read about this topic, and it should make a lot of people reconsider their own thoughts.

As many have mentioned, we have a different standard here in Thunders, someone who might be considered really big in the real world might only be normal or just above average for us, but that is because we are here to make our penis bigger.

I think the analogy with a bodybuilding forum is really accurate, there you can have guys bitching about their arms or chest size compared to lets say Ronnie Coleman, but I bet more than more than 80% of the normal people would consider that same guy to have a great body.

And also I cant really get how people think the average is at least 7 inches, I mean don’t they see all the size surveys that indicate something different; even here in the statics page the average is nowhere that figure, and we are talking about BP measurements used here also.

I have no problem accepting that there are many guys out there with huge dicks, many more that we might like to accept, but also there are way more many people with more modest measurements, there is a reasons there is an AVERAGE size.


Was (july 07): 5.25 nbp (5.9 bp)X 4.5

July 10 :6.15 nbp (6.65 bp)X 4.8

Goal: 6.75 nbp (7.1 bp) x 5.1 Final goal : 7.25 nbp x 5.3

I have always said this to people who ask about this issue and I hope this point makes itsself clear. there was a time where I was very insecure about my penis, very insecure, had I not found out out that PE actually was effective I still might be. However, I can make this comparison. Think of something your only slightly insecure about. For most they have slight insecurities about their penis but nothing extreme.

For me I have a slight insecurity about my height. Although I easily stand over 5’11 even at the docs. I will always tell people I am 6 feet, and I have even said 6’1. I know people who exaggerate even more than I do about height.

As someone who was considering planning on playing college football in high school, one of the big things was 40 times. To be honest there are D1 linebackers who run 4.9-5 40’s and start at big schools, yes they are very big, and are usually run stoppers. However, I constantly heard about all these guys who ran 4.5 40’s. A 4.5 40 is pretty damn fast. Not many guys run that fast, but it seems like 1/2 the skilled players on my team claimed that number and none claimed over 5. On a High School team thats pretty much impossible.

You see when you are extremely insecure over something you may not even try to bring it to the surface, you might try and pretend the issue doesn’t exist or you may completely lie about it depending on who you are. I was the first case study, but when you kind of care, or are a bit insecure, you will naturally round up the numbers so your not left behind.

Even now, being quite certain that in a room of 25 guys, I am larger then 2/3 or more. I still get real insecure when I hear anyone make a general penis joke.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
in response to your other question about the average guys measuring techniques. I question the methodology/measuring technique for those who don’t know about PE. I suspect that many of them take both measurements, and in conversation they give a very slight exaggeration of the greatest number. It seems to be that the average guy of say 5.5 NBP-6.3BP will say “yeah i’m packin 6.5, not to bad and then chuckle” meanwhile someone with BDD, or penis insecurities will say damn, is 6.5 really average??

I agree, lots of guys are bullshitting about size, but they are the same guys that aren’t keeping the hot females, at least the kind I’m attracted to. I always give my legitimate BPEL, and I’ve never had a girl ask to measure me, I wouldn’t want to look like an asshole coming up short on the ruler. I guess I’m attracted to “size queens”, but every “size queen” I know happens to be hot as hell. That might be my problem, who knows. Unfortunately, I’ve tried dating a couple girls who weren’t the caliber I usually go after, I just can’t get excited about it. Part of the problem is I see myself as an alpha male in every way, minus the giant dick, so perhaps I’m arrogant, but the way I see it, I deserve to get hot females.

Maybe I’m a little crazy, but I’ve always had the mentality I’d rather use my hand than settle for something underneath me. I don’t see myself as THEE best looking guy in the world, but I’m clearly a good looking guy (when I was younger I had a lot of girls who had those puppy love crushes on me, hot girls), I’m not rich or anything, but I’m pretty successful (PM me for details on that), and I take care of my body (little out of shape now, but my out of shape lots of people would love to be in). I’m a funny guy in person, in a ballbreaking sarcastic kind of way, I really don’t see anything wrong with me. So for me, at least my reality, to get the girls I want, a pre-requisite is that I have a large cock.

I cannot define what large is, but I’ll know it when I can finally hold on to a girl for more than a few months.


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

another funny question that came to mind, and this may contradict alot of people’s beliefs, but what are the odds that the average member on thunders is actually above average in the real world? I mean pre-pe. It sounds outrageous. but that is how BDD works, and I suspect 75%+ have some form of BDD on here. With BDD, you are often far better than you think you are, you may be better looking, more well hung, more athletic etc. but you are always chasing the dragon and trying to be the absolute best, not leaving anything to chance, especially the change of having the dreaded small penis.

Hardbody, I just realized another problem. You’ve got what most would call a big penis, but you have spent a significant portion of your life having that penis on a huge frame. 240-250 pounds is bigger than 90% of guys, so even if your penis is in the upper 20% it could still look slightly below average compared to your body. Believe me if a guy in the locker room stand 5’5 130 looks the same as you, he’s likely alot smaller.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
For me I have a slight insecurity about my height. Although I easily stand over 5’11 even at the docs. I will always tell people I am 6 feet, and I have even said 6’1. I know people who exaggerate even more than I do about height.

As someone who was considering planning on playing college football in high school, one of the big things was 40 times. To be honest there are D1 linebackers who run 4.9-5 40’s and start at big schools, yes they are very big, and are usually run stoppers. However, I constantly heard about all these guys who ran 4.5 40’s. A 4.5 40 is pretty damn fast. Not many guys run that fast, but it seems like 1/2 the skilled players on my team claimed that number and none claimed over 5. On a High School team thats pretty much impossible.

You see when you are extremely insecure over something you may not even try to bring it to the surface, you might try and pretend the issue doesn’t exist or you may completely lie about it depending on who you are. I was the first case study, but when you kind of care, or are a bit insecure, you will naturally round up the numbers so your not left behind.

Even now, being quite certain that in a room of 25 guys, I am larger then 2/3 or more. I still get real insecure when I hear anyone make a general penis joke.

Ahh, couple things to add.

1. I exaggerate my height too, not gonna lie there. I tell people I’m 6’1”, even though I know dam well without shoes, after all the heavy squats I’ve done, I’m much closer to 6’0”, but I don’t see it as a lie, since I was 6’1” at one point.

2. 40 times, good ole 40 times, in high school they are the biggest croc of shit I’ve ever seen in my life. I swear, there is reverse discrimination among some high school coaches. When I was in 10th grade, the track coach and JV football coach both clocked me at 4.6 on the track, yet when I entered 11th grade and ran my 40, I ran at the same time as a guy who is now in the NFL and I finished dead even with him, the coach clocking me told me I ran a 4.9 (and I was running my ass off all summer), but the coach clocking this guy told him he ran a 4.5. Then, my best friend, who was our starting HB was told by the coach he ran a 4.6, and me and him ran neck and neck all summer long (I probably couldn’t run a 6.0 today, hahaha). Yeah, don’t get me going on 40 times…… The dam things are over rated anyway, footballl instinct and agility are much more important….. OK I”m done.

3. I was in a class today where a penis joke was made by a professor (PM me for details if you want to hear them), I felt a little insecure also, but I didn’t let it show, I noticed 2 pretty hot girls scoped my reaction to that joke, I think I had a good external front going. I wanted to fidget, but just fidgeted my toes (that seems to work well) so no one could see, and had a semi genuine laugh and good body posture, but yeah, I fucking hate penis jokes.


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
Hardbody, I just realized another problem. You’ve got what most would call a big penis, but you have spent a significant portion of your life having that penis on a huge frame. 240-250 pounds is bigger than 90% of guys, so even if your penis is in the upper 20% it could still look slightly below average compared to your body. Believe me if a guy in the locker room stand 5’5 130 looks the same as you, he’s likely alot smaller.

Yeah, I’ve thought about that, I’m lighter now 215-220lbs, but even at that size, I realize thats still pretty big. When I’m done with a workout, I love the way my dick hangs in a mirror, I feel it fits my body well, but when I look at my flaccid hang cold, it looks very average to me.


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
another funny question that came to mind, and this may contradict alot of people’s beliefs, but what are the odds that the average member on thunders is actually above average in the real world? I mean pre-pe. It sounds outrageous. but that is how BDD works, and I suspect 75%+ have some form of BDD on here. With BDD, you are often far better than you think you are, you may be better looking, more well hung, more athletic etc. but you are always chasing the dragon and trying to be the absolute best, not leaving anything to chance, especially the change of having the dreaded small penis.

You’re probably on to something with this statement. I must admit, that no matter what success I achieve, someone always has bigger, better, more etc. And, yes, it bugs the shit out of me. At the same time, this “insecurity” keeps me curious, aware and driven to succeed. It’s kind of a catch 22. I guess I’d rather be this way than apathetic and boring. (which is what I think the alternative is. there is no medium speed with me)


Paraphrased: It is not the critic who counts: The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, who, at the best, knows the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

Originally Posted by UkranianTitan
another funny question that came to mind, and this may contradict alot of people’s beliefs, but what are the odds that the average member on thunders is actually above average in the real world? I mean pre-pe. It sounds outrageous. but that is how BDD works, and I suspect 75%+ have some form of BDD on here. With BDD, you are often far better than you think you are, you may be better looking, more well hung, more athletic etc. but you are always chasing the dragon and trying to be the absolute best, not leaving anything to chance, especially the change of having the dreaded small penis.

I think you might be on to something, but on an anonymous forum, its pretty hard to prove that hypothesis. That said, for me personally, even though I admitted I may have BDD (and OCD for that matter), the issues I’ve had with women are still very real. Yeah, I know, some people think I’m a tool, probably thinking I’m always reaching out of my league, but like I’ve said, I’ve been able to date very hot women, I just can’t keep them, then I see what who they go to, and in many cases there ain’t much else other than a penis (although thats not every case).


My goal is to be the best me, mind, body and soul, PE is part of achieving the best me.

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