Edging and/or ballooning on off days

I am currently working a modified newbie routine that includes 2 days on and one day off. Is there a problem with edging and/or ballooning on my off days? I am considering a few jelqs during the peak of my ballooning session(s).

I think that might defeat the purpose of an off day, but I’m trying to figure out the best/quickest way to get girth gains and 110% EQ.

I wouldn’t mind hearing detailed, modified newbie routines that worked for some people who have grown.

“Quickest way” and “PE” don’t mix. It usually ends with some sort of injury.

Since both techniques are basically prolonged masturbation I don’t see why you couldn’t do either or both on your off day. I wouldn’t count on either to give you any growth (IMO, others will surely disagree.)

Uh, yeah. Bad choice of words. I have “quickly” (two weeks) started to see some change in length and girth, albeit small. My thread might give the impression that the harder and faster I tug, the longer and fatter it will get. I know this not to be the case.

If I’m not mistaken, Westla, you are not a big supporter of ballooning for gain in girth, right. How about ballooning with jelqs? When I jelq, though I am at most 20% hard. So, I wouldn’t consider near flaccid jelqing masturbation. Although, I might soon have someone post the definition of masturbation…

Personally I think edging and ballooning may help cement gains.

I do find that it helps EQ.

It depend on the person as to whether you can edge on your off days or not.

Some guys find it extremely fatiguing, perhaps worse than a PE workout.

For me as long as I don’t go longer than 30 mins it all works out.

This is one of those “everybody is different - listen to your body” things.

My initial newbie routine was light. The regular one was too fatiguing and seemed counter productive. So it was something like 3 sets of 5 way stretches, 90 jelqs. Initiallly one day on, one day off. Off days I would edge for 30 minutes. I did gain some length on this.

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I’m not westla90069, but he’s saying that ballooning and edging are two masturbation techniques in his view, not PE exercises. (i.e. he is not referring to jelqing as masturbation)

Thanks, for the input and clarification. Kind of fun; I have never talked about, looked at, or touched my penis this much in my life.

My understanding of edging is repeatedly stimulating yourself during masturbation to the point of no return without going over. At the PONR, when you intentionally go there, the bulbospongiosus and ichiocavernosus muscles clamp down on the inner parts of the corpus spongiosum and corpora cavernosa respectively. This adds hardness to your erection and gives the tunica a little more expansion. Some think doing this over and over is as good as proven PE exercises like jelqing. I don’t.

Ballooning, as I understand it, is stimulating yourself to the PONR then stopping stimulation of the parts that really get you going, but continuing to rub yourself in other places. Most often this is the pubic area or the underside of the glans. This supposedly give you a continuous harder hard-on which is supposed to expand the tissues resulting in growth. Again, I don’t agree.

In order for growth to occur you have to put more than the normal maximum pressure on the tunica. If you just stimulate yourself to the maximum it won’t create any more pressure on the tunica than you’d get at ejaculation. Even continuous or repeatedly reaching this point still wouldn’t put more than the normal maximum pressure on the tissues. The only way to go beyond the normal maximum is to force blood against the tunica mechanically using your fingers (or something like the jelk device).

Also, in spite of all the claims, no one has offered any proof (preferably photographic) that they’ve gains from ballooning or edging alone. I suspect any gains these gentlemen attained were from other PE methods done at the same time.

Ballooning with jelqing wouldn’t really be possible. To balloon you have to be 100% erect. Jelqing at full erection does not leave room for the pressure to build with each stroke. You only compress an already full tunica, which can lead to injury. The recommended 50-70% erection needed for jelqing wouldn’t lend itself to ballooning or edging because they both require a full-on erection.

I wouldn’t consider near flaccid jelqing masturbation either. I’d call it a strange form of stretching. You can’t call it a jelq if you aren’t moving enough blood to build up the required pressure to expand the tunica beyond its normal maximum.

westla For what it is worth, I’ve been reading, ESO: How You and Your Lover Can Give Each Other Hours of Extended Sexual Orgasm by Alan P. Brauer and Donna J. Brauer, who are sex therapists. It is a pretty darn good book. In a way it is basically Taoist sex without taoism (although they do discuss it and credit it).

Part of the program is that men practice having erections lasting 30 minutes or more. Which are of course then carried back to the bedroom. Here’s an interesting thing they have noticed in their practice (page 45):

Again my intuition is the prolonged erections may help cement gains, maybe helping healing. Just my intuition though.

Westla and Sta Kool,

Thanks for the detailed input and opinion. I will take BOTH into consideration going forward in my pe journey. (however long or short a may be) Unfortunately, (or fortunately), I am an “all or nothing” kind of person. As such, I find it difficult to achieve a 50 to 70 percent erection without moving to the next phase of arousal.

Any suggestions on how to get to that percentage, and stay there?

With practice your penis will learn the difference between masturbation and PE. In the meantime there is nothing wrong with stopping and letting your erection subside to the level you want whenever it gets too high.