Difficult girth gains

Hi everyone, I feel like I’m stuck in a PE dead end and could really do with some help in moving on especially with girth gains.

To give a quick bit of background info, I’m not a complete newbie having done over 2 years of consistent PE now. I achieved a fairly decent amount of length (0.8-0.9 inches) in the first few months but hit a wall after that that no amount of decon or change in exercise seemed to help.

Eventually last winter I decided to give up on the length gains and go for girth, which is really what I want the most anyway. I started off with manual exercises, a combination of dry jelqing and ULIs, not wanting to escalate to the most intense techniques too quickly. After two months with zero results I moved on to clamping, and have been doing that for 4 months now. Unfortunately I have seen virtually no gains, I could possibly claim a 0.1 inch increase at the base and half that mid shaft, but with such small amounts I can’t say that it isn’t down to temporary engorgement.

My routine for clamping is 3 x 10 minute sessions, 2 days on, 1 day off. I clamp for 2 of the sessions with the clamp facing away (so the opening is on the far side) and once towards. I put the clamp on with a 100% erection (I find anything less just doesn’t get the same engorgement) and wear the clamp as tightly as possible on the shaft, not btb. I also normally have to tighten the clamp 2 or 3 clicks during an individual session. Afterwards I immediately put on a light cock ring and wear that for several hours, or over night. I do not cum after clamping as I have read that this can have a negative effect on gains.

Clamping for me has been relatively enjoyable, certainly the most ‘fun’ PE I’ve done but I’m just not sure if it is working. Although there is temporary engorgement that can last for days, it feels to me a bit like the fluid build up you get after pumping rather than real stretching.

I believe I have a smaller corpus spongiosum that average and this is where I need to gain most. The general impression I get from reading these forums is that this is slightly unusual and it is more normal to need the corpora cavernosa to be enlarged, but I may be wrong there. Anyway I thought that maybe this has some bearing on my lack of gains.

I have a few options now and could really use whatever advice there is on which one to take. The most obvious is to just continue with my current and hope it suddenly picks up, but after 4 months it isn’t showing any signs of doing that. The next is to take a decon break, but again I don’t see how taking a break would help if no real gains have been achieved in the first place. It’s not so much I’ve reached a plateau as never left one in the first place.

The only other option I can see is to move on to the advanced clamping exercises: bends and such. These seem to be the end of the line as far as girth exercises go and something you only want to move on to when you have exhausted every other option. If everything else fails this is what I guess I’ll have to do but I’d love to see if I can gain with less drastic techniques first.

Any suggestions are much appreciated.

Nik

I have a few suggestions. Generally, when clamping you should be seeing at least .25” in expansion. If you aren’t seeing at least that much, then it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re not gaining. Definitely consider the first three points, I would try those before the others.

1. Clamp 5 days on 1 or 2 days off.

2. Use plenty of heat before starting each clamp set.

3. Up your clamp set time to 12 - 15 minutes.

4. Consider using two clamps (one facing each way, if you like).

5. Try adjusting the clamp position and moving the clamp up or down during a set to increase engorgement.

6. Try practicing kegels in combination with porn/other stimulation and experimenting with moving the clamp around (as above) to maximum clamped expansion.

Are you still jelqing? I also recommend you continue to jelq. Even just a few minutes before each clamping set to help loosen things up and get plenty of fresh blood around.

Out of curiosity: do you find you have very hard erections?

Hope these suggestions are useful.

Have you tried pumping?

Thanks for the advice Tweaking. I will follow the first 3 points you mention and see how it affects gains. You say I should be seeing at least 0.25” of expansion during clamping, I would say that that is pretty much the best amount I see. That could be an indication of part of the problem.

Do you think there is any difference in the method of applying heat for clamping? Generally I have used submersion in hot water for jelqing, but have a rice sock as well. If the sock is sufficient then that would be great as the water method is quite a hassle. I would also be willing to look at IR lamps if that was of any use while clamped.

The two clamps idea is interesting as well. Is the idea to have the two clamps right next to each other or one at the base and one further up?

Moving the clamp around during a session and performing a sort of ULI has occurred to me before but generally the clamp is on very, very tight. There is pretty much no movement possible without it feeling pretty painful. I’m guessing that isn’t a good idea.

To answer your questions, I do a bit of jelqing in between sets to refresh the blood. It’s not what I would call really effective jelqing though. In general my unit is a bit tired between sessions and not really up for a proper jelq, more of a squeezing. Without any warm up or lube it doesn’t feel like a good jelq does so I’m not sure if I’m getting any benefit other than squeezing old blood out.

As for my erections, I would say they are fairly average in hardness. They certainly aren’t soft but aren’t the raging hard ons I had 10 years ago (I’m 30 now). To be honest I don’t really have a frame of reference for this though.

WantToBeThick: I tried a little bit of pumping when I first got into PE, using a pretty cheap and cheerful clamp. I have to say it really didn’t suit me. I didn’t get much enjoyment out of it and saw very little results. Even after a session of the highest pressure I could stand I would maybe see 0.1” or 0.2” expansion, and more while flaccid than erect. This was the first signs that I may be a hard girth gainer, I just hoped that clamping would be the thing to push me through!

Cheers.

Or that you was pumping in the wrong way. Pumping with high pressure is the best way to not gain.

Anyway, I would suggest you add to your routine A-stretches using a very thick fulcrum - a glass bottle for example; the circumference should be about the same of your EL.

Basically you want to heat yourself up as much as possible, and the best way to do that is with an IR lamp (ideally a TDP far-infrared mineral lamp). If I were you I would get one.

The two clamps would go next to each other; at least that’s how I do it.

No, ‘pretty painful’ should definitely be avoided.

I would also recommend you maybe get back into pumping, but don’t go so crazy this time. I suggest following these guidelines: Vacuum Pumping 101

Yeah, heat helps alot! I do my routine under hot shower.

I’d try whatever to get more expansion and max. heat. Pumping, double clamping, Horse 440 squeeze. I know my initial gain is all I have to date. I keep going. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice again Tweaking, I have started a new routine based on your suggestions. Since IR lamps aren’t cheap I will try the rice sock method for the moment, but look at IR if I don’t get any results. From the first few sessions, double clamping already feels like it produces a higher pressure and having one clamp facing each direction means I don’t have to worry whether I have it the right way or not.

I will look at adding pumping to the routine in future as well. Since it will be another costly bit of kit (the current one I have is too cheap, I don’t trust it) I will wait before taking the plunge.

MetaMorpho: When you mention Horse 440’s, do you mean while clamped or not? I’ve never really done this exercise much before, preferring ULI’s, but imagine it would produce enormous pressure while clamped.. Possibly too much.

I have one further question: I am looking to get as much head size gain as possible. Do you think squeezing just under the head during clamping will help, hinder or have no real effect on head gains? I know it’s supposed to be the hardest part to enlarge which is why I think every little helps when it comes to exercising it.

Thanks again guys.

Well, I can’t really comment on routines but… the heating I use is..

http://www.amaz … /dp/B000FGDDIK/

and it works really well.. I heat during all aspects of PE… even while stretched in the extender.

I’ve tried it a few times now and I haven’t had anything pop. It does seem risky. I don’t think I go to the extreme that is described as I feel blood flowing back through the clamp. I get a more temporary pressure boost. Maybe it is doing nothing for me. I can’t say as I do so many different things right now with heating, jelqing, stretching, clamping, kegeling and edging. I have to remember that I started with nothing more than jelqing. I may have to go back to the root of my gain some day.

Head gain. Mine seams to be growing with my girth. Sometimes I squeeze it flat while I’m jelqing one handed and let it refill with the fresh blood. I think it helps it stretch as I have never had any spotting or blood spots.

Where are the advanced girth exercises like horse and the spin stretch maybe you should read about them to incorporate on your routine.

I just read the thread about Orange Bends, and apparently, it’s working well for girth, maybe you should try it.

My Girlfriend said those lovely words…

I’ve never heard of Orange Bends before but they sound interesting and not too difficult to try out. I’ll see how they go as an addition to clamping.

I’ve been using my own technique “hourglass” and I’ve seen a .5” girth gain in just over 2 months. It’s using 2 hands in the middle, semi-erect one pulling blood to tip one pulling to base. Results were Huge CS gains