Originally Posted by Fantom
Just to give you some color, 9_in_richard, the reason why BPEL is taken into account is because many of the actual scientific surveys rely on this type of measurement. So it doesn’t matter what the PE community knows that the world at large doesn’t, the data is still useful to us. If you’re trying to establish whether or not PE inches and real world inches mesh up, the answer is they don’t, because in the real world, there are few controls or standards, and often no measurements. Empirically, what someone sees doesn’t necessarily mean all that much. You said:
“I say this in the interest of PE. I wish everyone the best in their personal journey and everyone is entitled to their opinions and this one is mine. I do not wish to argue the great, never ending “average” debate. I just believe that trying to claim a much smaller average than the studies show is cheapening the purpose of PE and is invalid.”
But you’re also saying that you believe all the science is wrong, and all the slop/junk internet surveys are more valid. How is that “in the interest of PE”?
More example, you say “The “average” arguments can be argued to the end of time, but I will always personally consider and believe that 6 x 5 is an average measure to base from. As for bone pressed measurements, no one outside of a PE community is going to consider a BPL and NBPL or BPFSL or any of those things. I personally believe, as we are all entitled to our opinnions, that bone pressed measurements are BS. If I can’t drop it from my drawers and show it to you, then it doesn’t count. “
So in effect you are arguing that the average size is 6 inches, but NBPEL. And we know that not to be true, based on actual science. If you’re going to argue against a preponderance of the evidence, then you should have something more solid than some nebulous internet survey and a personal feeling to back it up with.
There again, everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is mine. I believe that I was pretty clear in saying I didn’t want to hijack this thread, and I still don’t. I also believe that I have stated that I would never get “statistics” from any biased site; sales,phalloplasty,or any type of marketing driven site.
No one here is an “authority” in the scientific community or any other on PE. This is a melting pot of research by us, the PE novices in a relatively virgin frontier( PE online communities). All the studies that you read give an average “range”; in that range, I’m going to say, IN MY OPINION, that 6 x 5 is the average (most common size).
You can keep trying to call me into “the great debate”, but you are wasting your time and trashing this thread by doing so. As far as BPEL measurements being used in all the studies done, I can’t prove or disprove that, so I won’t argue it one way or the other.
I am well aware of the criteria used for measuring progress, ie; BP FL,BPFSL, etc, etc, but I still believe that claiming “real world” BPL is BS. It is done and if a person so chooses to claim that length then that is his prerogative; however, when he drops trou, he better hope that his newly found princess is not a mathematics major or mechanical engineer or the gig will be up!
Don’t get me wrong, I love Thunders and I support every single individual here like a brother, but I am a 38 year old, educated, experienced “novice”, as we all are, PE vet who has an opinion and 6 x 5 is it.