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Biology behind PE

Biology behind PE

Hello, I’m new to the forum. Here’s something that’s been bothering me for a while. In order for jelqing to work, the erectile tissue must be destroyed and then regrow, supposedly larger. But what bothers me is that when tissue is destroyed, it grows back as a scar. fibroblasts cover up the injured area with scar tissue..it loses the elasticity of the original erectile tissue, doesn’t it?? so it would seem after doing PE for a few months, you’ve managed to make all your elastic erectile tissue into fibrotic scar tissue. who can explain the growth biologically when it seems you’d end up with NO possibility of growth after a few months (at any point actually—but after a few months, kiss away the possibility cuz now you’ve got a scarred up member).

BTW, i started about 4 weeks ago at 6 x 5.5, trying to improve length mostly…using the manual methods as recommended by penisadvan….i’ve had what i perceived as some gains in girth, which have kind of gone away i think. and while about a half inch of paler, whiter skin can be seen at the base of my penis (which i was thinking was “new” skin), I haven’t really had much in gains as far as length…then again, i don’t know what BPL is or how to measure it…but i’m new to the site, and hopefully this stuff works for me too in the end. what do you gentlemen think of my biological basis for PE question?

Hi, and welcome to the forum!

The tissue is not “destroyed”, it´s all about microtears and I think that would be the key. When you cut yourself you don´t always get a scar, right? And the damage here is much, much, smaller than any cut.

When you work out your muscles you cause microtears too, those aren´t filled with scar tissue because of that.

So as long as your penis is working properly and the damage is controlled one should be allright. If you´re on medication if would be an idea to ask your doctor about if it affects your healingability, just to make sure.

It´s a valid concern, that´s why you should go easy the first time and ease into it.

The pale skin sounds like stretched skin, call it new if you will. It´s a common side effect and perfectly normal.

BPL means Bone Pressed Lenght, meaning you put a ruler tight to the pubic bone and measure just above the center of your penis out to the tip of the head.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Best of luck to you.


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Monteltalk32,

Welcome to Thunder’s. I understand your concern. The scar tissue issue is on my mind as well. Though I’ve had no problem thus far.

There is a lot of good information here at thunders but remember a lot of the growth theories are just that, theories. I don’t know if anyone really knows why or how this works. I mean, it seems most urologists don’t even believe that this works, but it does.

I think Rocco gave you good advice. Start slow and easy and work your way up. This is a long process for most of us and there is no use in being over zealous at first (or any time) and causing damage and/or slowing your progress due to recovery time.

I wish someone had THE answer but sometimes things “just are”.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Rocco
The tissue is not “destroyed”, it´s all about microtears and I think that would be the key. When you cut yourself you don´t always get a scar, right? And the damage here is much, much, smaller than any cut.

When you work out your muscles you cause microtears too, those aren´t filled with scar tissue because of that.


Exactly, or serious weight trainees would be one mass of scar tissue. Also, we’re talking about working the CC/CS - which are spongy tissues; and stretching the tunica & suspensory lig, septum, etc.
People usually ask what the longterm effects of PE are. This is where the medical community could help, but they won’t get involved. Basically, I know what the longterm effects of not PE’ing would be - a shriveled, limp penis, as you age.

monteltalk32
I just finished making a fairly lengthy post that will probably give you some insight as to the logic behind how the ligaments stretch. I would assume the tunica is similar, because it is collagenous tissue as well. This information is 100 percent valid as there have actually been numerous studies based on the stretching of collagenous tissues. The information I posted was not something I made up on the spot or anything. I have read many medical articles (many linked from this forum, others found doing research) that agree with these principles.

Sore hanging?

Also, if you want to learn a lot about the scientific aspects of why PE works, do a search on usernames and read a lot of posts by Bib. MUCH of what Bib has written that I have read is supported by well known medical facts about the properties of collagenous tissues and how they change under tension when heat is applied. What I have read (of Bib’s posts) that is not medically supported still makes perfect sense from a purely logical standpoint.

Do some good stretches while you are reading, because there is a lot to read. :p

Also, welcome to Thunder’s. Just so noone has to make a post explicitly for this, please read the forum guidelines if you have not done so: /forum/misc.php?s=&action=faq&page=4


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Nine, that’s all a matter of preference really. Pumping is the aspect of PE that I know the least about and I am not a pumper myself so I have nothing to offer from experience. You can get some insight in the Pumper’s Forum though. If you want some excellent info on pumping, do a search on username Avocet8 and select the Pumper’s Forum as the forum to search.

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monteltalk32

You are right to a point. What you need to understand is the whole process the body goes through in its three stages of healiing. Understand that when tissue is damaged it is in the acute stage of healing for 4-7 days. That is if it is left alone to heal. In the acute stage Fibroblasts as you mentioned as well as many other things are sent to the area to rebuild. In the first few days after an injury these are very week ununiformed links and bonds that are developed. Very prone to reinjury. If left to heal they will eventually cross over to a matuation stage where the collagen fibres begin to take root and form scars. What people here need to understand is they are playing a game with there imune response. you need to let the tissue heal but not to the point of scaring. This is what some will term cementing your gains. Gentle manipulation of a damaged tissue can promote healing in a fashion that can achieve lenght but also very healthy scar tissue. E.G. If you strain a ligament or partially tear it and were to imobilize the area YES you would have a very tough none elastic type of scar form. But if you gently stretch and maintain the range of motion it never alows the new collagen fibres a chance to “cement” leaving you with a very functional plyable scar formation.

Look around and see what we are doing here. Most of us are at this daily only resting a few days a week. Scar formation is not likely to be the kind that would cause damage.

Just a little more info.

I am a Registered Massage THerapist with a huge backgroung in anatomy, physiology, kinesiology, and biomechanics. What we are talking about are principles that we as therapists employ every day when dealing with injured patients. I strongly agree with soon2b9. Thes are not just things we make up or assume must be happening. One of these days I have a whole chapter on ligaments from my physiology text that I will share with the group. Talks in detail about the use of heat. Creep theory on ligs and even time and weight stresses for lengthening ligs.

I look forward to that post Hogman. That would be a huge help to the forum.

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Originally posted by hogman
One of these days I have a whole chapter on ligaments from my physiology text that I will share with the group. Talks in detail about the use of heat. Creep theory on ligs and even time and weight stresses for lengthening ligs.

I agree with Shiver. Hell, why wait? It would make for a good thread.


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It’s just a matter of timing for me. My wife knows all about my PEing and has made some really positve comments about my gains. When I get some time alone without the kids around I will do some scanning of the graphs and enter the chapter into the fprum.

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