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8 x 6 Envy

Originally Posted by 10inchadvantage
Who said 1 in 100 was 8 x 6? Where are you getting that statistic from? Probably more like 1 in 500. (Priapologist had a good thread)

As for my comment, it was satire on the notion that having a big dick is such a strong factor in getting you laid. I’ve been 8” in length since I was a senior in high school and have never gotten any action from size queens. I think it has more to do with the fact that everyone who isn’t “large” thinks the larger guys are always out getting laid by everyone, which I wish was the case.

From experience I think penis size is a moot issue, unless it’s way on the end of either spectrum.

I didn’t come up with the 1 in 100. That was thrown around here in this thread long before my post. You are probably right that it is more like 1 in 500 but I don’t think that is the point I’m trying to make. I have no idea of your sexual history. My experience isn’t like I’m a big player or anything but I’ve been with around 40 women. About 10 of them have been strippers or have done something in the adult entertainment business. Of those 10, I would say size was important and discussed by 8 of them. Of the other 30 I would say half openly preferred men over 6” to those under 6”.

I think it’s very easy for a guy who is 8” in length to scoff at someone who is 5.5” in length and say that it doesn’t matter. It’s like a guy who is 6’4” tall saying to a guy who is 5’4” tall that height doesn’t matter and he is going to be just as desirable to women. As I’ve also said in my post the guy I know getting action because of size probably isn’t a 1 in 500 statistic but probably 1 in 2500 or so. And no disrespect intended but I also know nothing about your appearance otherwise, your conversational style, what kind of car you drive, your profession, etc. Obviously a 6’5” handsome doctor with a $3 million home and awesome personality with a 6” dick is going to do better than a 8” dick 5’4” tall guy with no teeth and a minimum wage job. there are many factors at play here.

Also, I’ve said in other parts of this thread; if you don’t want to date women that are strippers, into threesomes, are swingers, porn stars, etc. then size is far less important. The population of women I knew right of highschool and just average everyday girls care far less. Once I started getting around women who were more into sex and the sex business size became a bigger issue. I’m not insecure about my size but I’m also realistic about what women talk about and what they prefer. I’ve had plenty of women that enjoy having sex with me. I’ve also had these same women pass me over on any given night for a guy that was larger. I’ve also had women come back to me because I’m better in bed than a guy who is 8+”. There is sometimes a reverse psychology it seems with a few of the women I’ve been with that the large guys are not as skilled because they haven’t had to be. Just a week ago I had a women tell me she was with a guy that was like 9” (probably was 7” as we know how women are) but that he was horrible in bed. Yet she made the comment ‘at least he had a nice dick because I was able to get on top of him and do what I needed.

Again I will point out that if size was not a factor then it would have no place in porn. You would see guys with 5” dicks with the same frequency as 7” dicks. Penis size would not be an issue. The fact the porn industry is almost undeniably made up of guys with larger dicks means it’s not really a moot issue as you put it.


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Originally Posted by Tryingtobebig
The funny thing about this thread is we are mostly all on here because we want to be larger. If we didn’t think it would make us better lovers or more desirable then why are we doing it?


To satisfy our Ego.

For one or more of the following reasons in no particular order:

1) To satisfy our competitive nature
2) To put to rest a lingering insecurity
3) To prove it can be done
4) To take control over something to do with our sex life
5) To have the experience of being the guy with the big dick (see 1-4)


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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
To satisfy our Ego.

For one or more of the following reasons in no particular order:

1) To satisfy our competitive nature
2) To put to rest a lingering insecurity
3) To prove it can be done
4) To take control over something to do with our sex life
5) To have the experience of being the guy with the big dick (see 1-4)

So you really believe most women would be just as happy and just as sexually satisfied with a guy that is 5” compared to a guy 7”? Maybe a better question is where is the cutoff where it is actually a negative. Because i do agree that it’s not so much having a big extremely large dick as not having one way too small. Is it 5” erect? 4” erect? I mean at some point it is going to be an issue. I’d also point out my view on positions. If you just want to do missionary then 5” isn’t going to ruin you. But as a 5.5” guy myself and being in scenes watching men with women (and tons of porn) I can tell you having a 8” member is going to make it much easier to do some positions.

I’d also add that part of this is the ego nature of women.

Woman A goes out with a guy who has a small dick. She tells all her friends about it and makes fun of him. Woman B thinks the guy is cute and funny and all but guess what! She doesn’t really want to be seen as going out with the guy with a small dick. This has a lot to do with tall men as well. I’ve personally known several women that wouldn’t date me simply because I’m 5’6”. It’s not my perception or confidence. They’ve said straight to my face that they feel uncomfortable going out and being seen with a guy that is quite a bit shorter than they are. Has nothing to do with how they feel but how it makes them look to their friends.


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I tried to edit my post above but I was too late. I was going to clarify that I don’t think really it’s just about length. Girth matters quite a bit and I would suggest a girth of 5” is probably more desirable to most women than a girth of 3”.


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Originally Posted by Tryingtobebig
I didn’t come up with the 1 in 100. That was thrown around here in this thread long before my post. You are probably right that it is more like 1 in 500 but I don’t think that is the point I’m trying to make. I have no idea of your sexual history. My experience isn’t like I’m a big player or anything but I’ve been with around 40 women. About 10 of them have been strippers or have done something in the adult entertainment business. Of those 10, I would say size was important and discussed by 8 of them. Of the other 30 I would say half openly preferred men over 6” to those under 6”.

I think it’s very easy for a guy who is 8” in length to scoff at someone who is 5.5” in length and say that it doesn’t matter. It’s like a guy who is 6’4” tall saying to a guy who is 5’4” tall that height doesn’t matter and he is going to be just as desirable to women. As I’ve also said in my post the guy I know getting action because of size probably isn’t a 1 in 500 statistic but probably 1 in 2500 or so. And no disrespect intended but I also know nothing about your appearance otherwise, your conversational style, what kind of car you drive, your profession, etc. Obviously a 6’5” handsome doctor with a $3 million home and awesome personality with a 6” dick is going to do better than a 8” dick 5’4” tall guy with no teeth and a minimum wage job. there are many factors at play here.

Also, I’ve said in other parts of this thread; if you don’t want to date women that are strippers, into threesomes, are swingers, porn stars, etc. then size is far less important. The population of women I knew right of highschool and just average everyday girls care far less. Once I started getting around women who were more into sex and the sex business size became a bigger issue. I’m not insecure about my size but I’m also realistic about what women talk about and what they prefer. I’ve had plenty of women that enjoy having sex with me. I’ve also had these same women pass me over on any given night for a guy that was larger. I’ve also had women come back to me because I’m better in bed than a guy who is 8+”. There is sometimes a reverse psychology it seems with a few of the women I’ve been with that the large guys are not as skilled because they haven’t had to be. Just a week ago I had a women tell me she was with a guy that was like 9” (probably was 7” as we know how women are) but that he was horrible in bed. Yet she made the comment ‘at least he had a nice dick because I was able to get on top of him and do what I needed.

Again I will point out that if size was not a factor then it would have no place in porn. You would see guys with 5” dicks with the same frequency as 7” dicks. Penis size would not be an issue. The fact the porn industry is almost undeniably made up of guys with larger dicks means it’s not really a moot issue as you put it.

I don’t have nearly as much sexual experience as you do, as I’ve only had vaginal sex with 5 women (hooked up with many more but didn’t care about counting, all of which I did less than vaginal/anal sex with). Honestly, I’m quite envious of you being able to sleep with 40+ women, that’s quite the accomplishment! I hope to one day be able to get to and surpass that many women (I don’t bang average chicks, btw). As far as looks, you can check out my pics that I recently posted on CraigsList: https://post.craigslist.org/manage/973608282/2amkz (I’ll probably PM the mods soon to take down the link, as I don’t want my pics up here forever). Side note: Damn, never thought I’d show my face on a PE site. To be brutally honest, sometimes my ego gets really nerved up and I feel that I should have slept with many more women by now given my physical shape and social class/upbringing (don’t have to worry about putting the food on the table by any means). Do you feel that those same women at that factory would be crawling all over me if they knew I had a big dick? Honestly, it has NEVER EVER made a difference in me hooking up with a chick. Last I measured I was 8 1/4” x 5 7/8” mseg, btw, hanging around 5.5” flaccid (nbp always) generally, sometimes a little more.

I hear these stories about guys getting mad pussy because they are hung, but I’ve never experienced any one else, nor myself, having this happen in real life.

Originally Posted by Tryingtobebig
So you really believe most women would be just as happy and just as sexually satisfied with a guy that is 5” compared to a guy 7”? Maybe a better question is where is the cutoff where it is actually a negative. Because i do agree that it’s not so much having a big extremely large dick as not having one way too small. Is it 5” erect? 4” erect? I mean at some point it is going to be an issue. I’d also point out my view on positions. If you just want to do missionary then 5” isn’t going to ruin you. But as a 5.5” guy myself and being in scenes watching men with women (and tons of porn) I can tell you having a 8” member is going to make it much easier to do some positions.


Offhand it’s true that a longer unit will make certain positions more possible.

But I don’t think you can reasonably make a blanket statement that 7” is preferable to 5” in all, or even most cases.

It’s a little like trying to predict what food most women like: tastes vary and they change over time as priorities shift.

I think they mostly want one that works and lasts long enough for them to come. That’s way more important than size.

Originally Posted by Tryingtobebig
I’d also add that part of this is the ego nature of women.

Woman A goes out with a guy who has a small dick. She tells all her friends about it and makes fun of him. Woman B thinks the guy is cute and funny and all but guess what! She doesn’t really want to be seen as going out with the guy with a small dick. This has a lot to do with tall men as well. I’ve personally known several women that wouldn’t date me simply because I’m 5’6”. It’s not my perception or confidence. They’ve said straight to my face that they feel uncomfortable going out and being seen with a guy that is quite a bit shorter than they are. Has nothing to do with how they feel but how it makes them look to their friends.


It’s a good point.

One that justifies what most of the noise is when women (especially young women) make the case that they have to have 6” or more, or some such thing.

To me, that mostly sounds like peer pressure talking.

Older more experienced women can speak with some authority on what they’d like in a physical ideal. But I’ll tell you: a washboard stomach or muscular shoulders are both way ahead of any kind of penis on the priority list when women talk about what’s important to them physically. I remember the Book of Lists series from the 70s - the penis was like eighth on the list of priorities with regard to what women found attractive.

And let’s not forget that women mostly want an emotional connection as a rule. So your dick doesn’t even enter in, in most cases, unless you’re boyfriend or husband material.


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Originally Posted by Mr. Happy
Originally Posted by beenthere
Sizesurvey has the only data I’m aware of on this so there is unfortunately only one source to go by, but in that poll of 3100+ guys it came up with a 2 to 1 ratio advantage in number of hookups for guys 7” and longer over those under 7” in length. Of course the 2 to 1 ratio is just an overall as we are all aware that there are some guys with smaller dicks who have more partners than some guys with bigger dicks. I do think there is bound to be some correlation but how close to the truth that ratio is I don’t know. I’d love to see more data on this if anyone is aware of any.

Originally Posted by beenthere
They need the excitement, they need the self-confidence, and they need to have a good experience in the sack once they get there. Your own story suggests, you don’t have to be ‘packing’ to have that kind of success.

However, to me it hasn’t just been about whether they were size queens or not it’s also been about whether extra size was icing on the cake or not. And how much extra icing. I certainly agree that only a small percentage of women are size queens, but there are plenty of women who prefer extra size even if it’s not an important issue to them. They aren’t size queens but it makes at least some difference.

A well run poll by Psychology Today involving a lot of women indicates that 10% of women are size queens and 25% don’t care about size at all. In my observations it has seemed to me that there were more than just 1% size queens that some guys believe to be the percentage, and Psychology Today backed me up on it. Subtract the size queens and the ones who don’t care at all, then the rest of the women in the poll make up about two thirds of all the women in the poll, and those 2/3rds were evenly split between caring mildly and caring moderately.

Sure, only the size queens will make a big issue out of penis size, so that means 90% of women put more weight on other factors. Excitement, self confidence, a good experience, etc, are no doubt factors that shouldn’t be overlooked in all these talks about penis size.

I do think I have to watch myself to keep from overplaying the size issue in my mind, but on the other hand it does seem to me that you tend to downplay it somewhat. You don’t always mention the entire picture. Size queens aren’t the only ones it makes a difference to, it’s just they are the only ones who put so much value on it.


Last edited by Mr. Happy : 12-30-2008 at . Reason: Fixed quotes; and paragraphs while I was at it...what the hell? Right?

I think this has been a good discussion but my goal is clear. I’m going for the 8 x 6. If I get to 7” x 5.5” and that is all I can make happen i will be happy though. I’d also point out that EQ is way important as well. Women’s tastes do differ. I’ve known several women that are very into very skinny guys and just don’t like a muscular build. Like Jerry Seinfeld once said in the pig men episode when George said he would look better in comparison. “Believe me. You will have women going around talking about how those pig men really turn them on”.

I’d like to also know how many products are being produced to help a man make his penis smaller.


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Originally Posted by beenthere
However, to me it hasn’t just been about whether they were size queens or not it’s also been about whether extra size was icing on the cake or not. And how much extra icing. I certainly agree that only a small percentage of women are size queens, but there are plenty of women who prefer extra size even if it’s not an important issue to them. They aren’t size queens but it makes a least some difference. A well run poll by Psychology Today involving a lot of women indicates that 10% of women are size queens and 25% don’t care about size at all. In my observations it has seemed to me that there were more than just 1% of size queens some guys believe and Psychology Today backed me up on it. Subtract the size queens and the ones who don’t care at all, and the rest of the women in the poll, about two thirds of all the women in the poll, were evenly split between caring mildly and caring moderately. Sure, only the size queens will make a big issue out of penis size, so that means 90% of women put more weight on other factors. Excitement, self confidence, a good experience, etc, are no doubt factors that shouldn’t be overlooked in all these talks about penis size. I do think I have to watch myself to keep from overplaying the size issue in my mind, but on the other hand it does seem to me that you tend to downplay it somewhat. You don’t always mention the entire picture. Size queens aren’t the only ones it makes a difference to, it’s just they are the only ones who put so much value on it.

Well thought out and I agree. There is also probably a minimum size that most (not all) women would probably prefer something bigger. A guy with a penis that is 3” erect length and 2” girth may find it really does hurt him in some relationships. Yet there are women who would marry a guy that had lost his dick in the war if he had other positive attributes.


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I just want to be 7x6. ;_;


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Good point Mr. Happy!

I find it funny that a thread that has been dead for over 3.5 years is getting all of this interest. And we have two threads discussing overlapping issues.

I think I started 1 in 100. It comes from Kinsey, a Thunder’s Poll, sizesurvey.com, lifestyles, etc.. Almost all of these seem to suggest 8” length is 1% (BP or NBP who knows). But this doesn’t include 6” girth to go along with it. It has been forever since I’ve done any statistics, perhaps invisible can combine the the stats to give us the percentage chance of encountering 8x6. Maybe that turns out to be 1 in 500.


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Originally Posted by retention_head
I find it funny that a thread that has been dead for over 3.5 years is getting all of this interest. And we have two threads discussing overlapping issues.

I think I started 1 in 100. It comes from Kinsey, a Thunder’s Poll, sizesurvey.com, lifestyles, etc.. Almost all of these seem to suggest 8” length is 1% (BP or NBP who knows). But this doesn’t include 6” girth to go along with it. It has been forever since I’ve done any statistics, perhaps invisible can combine the the stats to give us the percentage chance of encountering 8x6. Maybe that turns out to be 1 in 500.

It gets a bit tricky coming up with the 8 x 6 odds. Reason being that length somewhat correlates with girth and that must be taken into account in such a calculation. Here’s some data Invisible came up with a while back using the database. I afterwards put it in this condensed chart form. It indicates a length to girth correlation (also a flaccid to erect correlation!) and that complicates.

nbpfl———————1”-2”———-2”-3”————3”-4”————-4”-5”————-5”-6”———-6”-7”———-7”-8”
Number of Subjects-25————-163————-757—————841—————327————-74—————15
Average nbpel——-3.73”————4.49”————4.99”————5.56”————-6.21”———-6.91”———-7.01”
Median nbpel———3.5”————-4.5”————-5”—————5.5”—————-6.2”————-7”—————7.25”
Maximum nbpel——5.75”————6.25”————8.6”—————8”——————8.6”————8.875”———8.528”
Minimum nbpel——-2”—————2.75”————-3”—————-3.75”—————4”————-4.75”————6.5”
Average eg————4.03”———-4.59”————-4.86”————5.12”————-5.49”———-5.79”————5.29”
Median eg————-4”—————4.75”————4.9”—————5”——————5.5”————6”—————-5.5”
Maximum eg———-5.8”————-6”—————-7.28”————7”——————-7.5”————7.5”————-6.5”
Minimum eg————1”—————1”—————-1.5”—————1.3”—————-4.25”———-4”—————-2”
Average growth—-254.6%——-128.3%———78.7%———-54.1%————-38.9%———-28%————11.1%
Maximum growth—475%————262.5%——-183.3%——-112.5%————-80.0%———-64%————32.3%
Minimum growth—-142.3%———60%————14.3%———-5.3%—————1.8%————5.3%————8.3%


Last edited by beenthere : 12-30-2008 at .

Originally Posted by beenthere
It gets a bit tricky coming up with the 8 x 6 odds. Reason being that length somewhat correlates with girth and that must be taken into account in such a calculation. Here’s some data Invisible came up with a while back using the database. I afterwards put it in this condensed chart form. It indicates a length to girth correlation (also a flaccid to erect correlation!) and that complicates.

Nbpfl———————1”-2”———-2”-3”————3”-4”————-4”-5”————-5”-6”———-6”-7”———-7”-8”
Number of Subjects-25————-163————-757—————841—————327————-74—————15
Average nbpel——-3.73”————4.49”————4.99”————5.56”————-6.21”———-6.91”———-7.01”
Median nbpel———3.5”————-4.5”————-5”—————5.5”—————-6.2”————-7”—————7.25”
Maximum nbpel——5.75”————6.25”————8.6”—————8”——————8.6”————8.875”———8.528”
Minimum nbpel——-2”—————2.75”————-3”—————-3.75”—————4”————-4.75”————6.5”
Average eg————4.03”———-4.59”————-4.86”————5.12”————-5.49”———-5.79”————5.29”
Median eg————-4”—————4.75”————4.9”—————5”——————5.5”————6”—————-5.5”
Maximum eg———-5.8”————-6”—————-7.28”————7”——————-7.5”————7.5”————-6.5”
Minimum eg————1”—————1”—————-1.5”—————1.3”—————-4.25”———-4”—————-2”
Average growth—-254.6%——-128.3%———78.7%———-54.1%————-38.9%———-28%————11.1%
Maximum growth—475%————262.5%——-183.3%——-112.5%————-80.0%———-64%————32.3%
Minimum growth—-142.3%———60%————14.3%———-5.3%—————1.8%————5.3%————8.3%

I don’t have a link but I once read an article about surgical enlargement once in which a prominent enlargement surgeon said that in general long penises tend to be skinny, and that is the major problem with elongating the penis - the longer it is, the thicker it SHOULD be in order to maintain the same stability/rigidity and not buckle “under load” so to speak. And there is no surgery that provides the kind of girth enlargement, a real structural change and not just subdermal fat transplants or Alloderm implants, that say, jelquing might provide.


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Originally Posted by 10inchadvantage
I hear these stories about guys getting mad pussy because they are hung, but I’ve never experienced any one else, nor myself, having this happen in real life.

Same here. There are times I’ve gotten a lot of action in life and times I haven’t, but it’s never had anything to do with my dick size.

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