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6 months PE not a mm of growth

Make a progress thread too, and record what you do so then you can look it over later on.


10/10/08 Bpel 6.50 Eg 4.9 base 5.0 few weeks off due to injury :( 12/10/08 Bpel 6.875 Eg 5.0

03/10/09 Bpel 7.25 Eg 5.0625 base 5.25 Donations Keep The Community Going, Click Me

05/10/09 Bpel 7.50 Eg 5.1 base 5.5 11/10/09 Bpel 7.6875 EG 5.125. Goal is as much as I can

Kingpole you say stressed out guys grip to hard. What do you mean by that? Is that possibly slowing something?

I do plan on starting a progress thread, I should have from the beginning that way people could critique my routine… I’m gonna do what Marinera suggests and take 2 weeks off, then back to PE.


Current size: 7 Bpel x 5.125 Eg. Goal: More girth.

Having experienced modest gains with my perseverance, I think everyone can gain something. I have a tough member to stretch, and gains came eventually when I found what works for me.

Just keep reading as much as you can, and switching things up when they aren’t changing your unit in a positive way.


I'm consistent in spurts, but gains are undeniable!

2007: BPEL 5.5" / MSEG 4.7" / BG 5.5"

2017: BPEL 6.8" / MSEG 5.3" / BG 6"

Originally Posted by hopeful2hanglow
Having experienced modest gains with my perseverance, I think everyone can gain something. I have a tough member to stretch, and gains came eventually when I found what works for me.

Just keep reading as much as you can, and switching things up when they aren’t changing your unit in a positive way.

I will keep looking and reading all the threads I can, its not like I have much of a life anyway.

I also want to make a note that this is my second day of absolutely no PE, and I’m having insanely hard erections. I already jerked off 3 times today and its still coming back with 10 EQ. Thats very very rare for me. I don’t know if I can accept this as a good P.I. or if it’s to soon yet.

I think is good PI, deconsecrate. Definitely.

Originally Posted by deconsecrate
I will keep looking and reading all the threads I can, its not like I have much of a life anyway.

I also want to make a note that this is my second day of absolutely no PE, and I’m having insanely hard erections. I already jerked off 3 times today and its still coming back with 10 EQ. Thats very very rare for me. I don’t know if I can accept this as a good P.I. or if it’s to soon yet.

Sounds like you were way over trained. Some guys with tough dicks can be way over training and their EQ doesn’t drop to nothing. However, obviously your EQ was way below its potential, but because you used your normal EQ as a reference, you didn’t notice how low it was in comparasion to what it is now.

It will be interesting if you keep close watch on your measurements while you take some time off. If you make some gains during your time off, its proof positive that you were way overtraining. Plus, see how long your EQ remains high, before it starts to drop, that also will give good info. Also, I bet your EQ will actually increase for at least a week, you will probably be able to cut diamonds with that thing in a couple days!

I myself am a very discipled guy and never missed a workout, and it worked against me because I am a “less is more” guy. For less is more guys, being very consistent can work against you.


Last edited by sparkyx : 03-04-2009 at .

Originally Posted by Thebeginner
I think some units are tougher than others. I also have one of the tough ones. It’s very frustrating. But where there is a will there is a way. Someone needs to hurry the hell up and find that way.


Check out the LOT theory, or the TGC Theory

These theories help determine why your penis might not be growing. I personally believe the TGC theory.


Current stat = NBPEL - 6.235", BPEL - 7.000".. Mid EG - 5.063".. Base EG - 5.750" BPSFL - 7.3125 ------ Old stats = NBPEL - 6.000", Mid EG - 5.000

Goal stat = NBPEL - 7.750", BPEL - 8.250".. Mid EG - 6.000".. Base EG - 6.500" ------ Goal Length gains - 1.515". Girth gain - 1.000"

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Originally Posted by sparkyx
Sounds like you were way over trained. Some guys with tough dicks can be way over training and their EQ doesn’t drop to nothing. However, obviously your EQ was way below its potential, but because you used your normal EQ as a reference, you didn’t notice how low it was in comparasion to what it is now.

It will be interesting if you keep close watch on your measurements while you take some time off. If you make some gains during your time off, its proof positive that you were way overtraining. Plus, see how long your EQ remains high, before it starts to drop, that also will give good info. Also, I bet your EQ will actually increase for at least a week, you will probably be able to cut diamonds with that thing in a couple days!

I myself am a very discipled guy and never missed a workout, and it worked against me because I am a “less is more” guy. For less is more guys, being very consistent can work against you.

I hope to god that’s the case. I hope at least SOMETHING happens within these 2 weeks to at least give me an idea of where to go with my routine. I thought about the overtraining thing, but put the thought aside. I guess I just couldn’t, and still can’t, understand how less is more with PE, but if it works, then it works and I won’t argue with success!

Originally Posted by 2Big4u

Check out the LOT theory, or the TGC Theory

These theories help determine why your penis might not be growing. I personally believe the TGC theory.

LOT hypothesis can’t explain why his penis isn’t growing. TGC has nothing to do with his issues, also.

Originally Posted by deconsecrate
I hope to god that’s the case. I hope at least SOMETHING happens within these 2 weeks to at least give me an idea of where to go with my routine. I thought about the overtraining thing, but put the thought aside. I guess I just couldn’t, and still can’t, understand how less is more with PE, but if it works, then it works and I won’t argue with success!

It seems there are 3 camps in PE. ONE, less is more. TWO, more is more. THREE, somewhere in between.

I think the real key is to figure out which one you are in as soon as possible. To do that, I like the slow ramp up approach. Start with a ridiculously low amount of time, like 2-3 minutes and slowly add to that. You start with modest force, and then watch your EQ and growth.

If you EQ is rising, but no growth, chances are you need to keep upping the time. If EQ starts to drop, chances are you are OVER the amount of time needed. By starting slow, you can see if EQ is slowing getting better and better. When you make big jumps, you can jump right over your max EQ levels and not know that you are showing a drop in EQ because you never saw how high it could be.

Lots of guys want to argue about “more is more, or less is more” but really its not subject to debate, you are what you are, and the sooner you figure out what is best for you, the sooner you can begin to gain.

Watch carefully over the next 2 weeks for how high your EQ gets, and let that be your new level to judge your EQ by. Now, in retrospect you may see that you have been at a 5 or 4 on a 10 scale, which would certainly indicate you are doing too much. Also pay attention to all aspects of EQ like ease of erections, frequency, hardness, refractory period after orgasm and morning and nite wood. This will greatly aid you in monitoring your EQ when you begin again.

Also I would start with half of what you were doing and see where it puts your EQ. Should for about 8-9 on a 10 scale. If it drops below that, adjust your workout down or take a day off. Experiment with it, but really I don’t think you should let it drop below about 7. You may find that 10 is best. Experiment and keep a journal. Good luck!

One last thing, I wouldn’t end my decon until your EQ begins to drop. If it keeps getting higher, wait until the drop to begin again. The length of time needed to drop is useful. As I stated before I think your EQ will continue to climb the first week, but let us know what you find.

IMO you need to increase intensity.

Hanging 7lbs is pointless, aim for 15, then move to 20 lbs a few months later, if hanging that much is uncomfortable, work on sorting your technique!

When stretching, stretch with sufficient intensity to give you sore ligs after the stretching session. Don’t go stupid, but remember you are aiming for “controlled damage”.

It took me 3 months to realise my technique was all wrong, I wasn’t gripping correctly and I wasn’t targeting the ligs intensely enough.

I believe that, unless you feel some dull ache after a session (fatigue). Then you are not working hard enough.

Have a positive out look while PEing is something that can help I believe, when you don’t gain for 6 months you tend to think that what your are doing now won’t give you anything aswell, and that itself will slow down gains.

Originally Posted by sparkyx
It seems there are 3 camps in PE. ONE, less is more. TWO, more is more. THREE, somewhere in between.

I think the real key is to figure out which one you are in as soon as possible. To do that, I like the slow ramp up approach. Start with a ridiculously low amount of time, like 2-3 minutes and slowly add to that. You start with modest force, and then watch your EQ and growth.

If you EQ is rising, but no growth, chances are you need to keep upping the time. If EQ starts to drop, chances are you are OVER the amount of time needed. By starting slow, you can see if EQ is slowing getting better and better. When you make big jumps, you can jump right over your max EQ levels and not know that you are showing a drop in EQ because you never saw how high it could be.

Lots of guys want to argue about “more is more, or less is more” but really its not subject to debate, you are what you are, and the sooner you figure out what is best for you, the sooner you can begin to gain.

Watch carefully over the next 2 weeks for how high your EQ gets, and let that be your new level to judge your EQ by. Now, in retrospect you may see that you have been at a 5 or 4 on a 10 scale, which would certainly indicate you are doing too much. Also pay attention to all aspects of EQ like ease of erections, frequency, hardness, refractory period after orgasm and morning and nite wood. This will greatly aid you in monitoring your EQ when you begin again.

Also I would start with half of what you were doing and see where it puts your EQ. Should for about 8-9 on a 10 scale. If it drops below that, adjust your workout down or take a day off. Experiment with it, but really I don’t think you should let it drop below about 7. You may find that 10 is best. Experiment and keep a journal. Good luck!

One last thing, I wouldn’t end my decon until your EQ begins to drop. If it keeps getting higher, wait until the drop to begin again. The length of time needed to drop is useful. As I stated before I think your EQ will continue to climb the first week, but let us know what you find.

I think this sounds like something I need to. I think I’m going to start with the newbie routine again after this break. But I don’t know what to focus on, tunica or ligs? According to LOT I should focus on the tunica, but some think that is a BS theory. Maybe I should start again doing 3 minutes of lig stretches and 3 minutes of upper angle stretches or a-stretches?


Current size: 7 Bpel x 5.125 Eg. Goal: More girth.

Originally Posted by deconsecrate
I think this sounds like something I need to. I think I’m going to start with the newbie routine again after this break. But I don’t know what to focus on, tunica or ligs? According to LOT I should focus on the tunica, but some think that is a BS theory. Maybe I should start again doing 3 minutes of lig stretches and 3 minutes of upper angle stretches or a-stretches?

I don’t know why LOT is making such a comeback lately, I thought we had buried that one. Don’t worry about LOT for now, just jelque. Read up on that one, New Jelque City is a good article. If you jelque properly it will be an effective stretch as well.

Second, try this Newbie routine;
NEW newbie + advanced routine

If you are a “more is more” guy, it will be a slow start, but at least you will be able to figure out what camp you are in. Really, IMO thats really where most time is wasted, putting a ton of time in the wrong catagory.

I wasted YEARS in the more is more camp. But as much as I wish that was my camp, its not and its a total waste of my time.

So, my advice is keep it simple until you start to see gains and once you figure out what works for you, then you can branch out.

By the way is EQ still rising?

Well it was definitely harder than when I was PEing, but I think wacking off 3 times yesterday didn’t help anything… But while I was PEing, if I would have jerked it 3 times I wouldn’t have been half that hard the next day.

Thank you for the link to that routine by the way!


Current size: 7 Bpel x 5.125 Eg. Goal: More girth.

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