30 days into a new session

Hello there digitized beings; nerd talk for "people". Anyway, I just wanted to share my progress 30 days into a very light stretching and progressive jelqing routine.

Step One: Stretch
- 2 minute LOOSE tension manual stretch while sitting on edge of chair; order: Up towards right hip, up towards left hip, straight up, straight out, straight down. Repeat twice.
- 4.5 minute STRONG tension manual stretch in all of the previously mentioned directions.
- 5 minute hang with 4 lbs, standing straight up.

Step Two: Jelq
- Light manual underhand jelqing for 10 minutes for the first few days.
- Progressed in about 5 days to light to medium jelqing for 15 minutes.
- Progressed in 10-12 days to 5 minutes of light to moderate manual jelqing followed immediately by 10 minutes of moderate to low-heavy jelqing with a kegel every 11th stroke (this allows for alternating hands for each kegel and should
Result in more even growth in size gains).
- The last 3 days of the month I began incorporating more vigorous jelqing techniques
1. Overhand jelqing while pulling Up with the "ok-hand" and keeping a slight pressure downwards on the glans with the other hand. In effect making the tunica look like a bent candy cane
2. Underhand jelqing while bearing down with the "ok-hand" while keeping a slight pressure upwards on the glans with the other hand. In effect making the tunica look like a golf club.

January 1st 6.75 EL x 5 girth (forgive me, I don’t recall the appropriate acronym for girth)

February 1st 7.00 EL x 5.25 girth

I also use an cream that is very high in antioxidants for general cell repair and regeneration. I find it has been a catalyst to the healing process. I won’t list all of the ingredients because I am tired, but two that are worthy of note are Superoxide Dismutase and Glutathione.

Superoxide dismutase - Wikipedia

Glutathione - Wikipedia

I welcome your comments and questions.

Pretty intense month for a newbie, but it worked out perfect for you !! I’m going to guess your a young guy ?

Hi AoA,

Welcome to the forum.

The interesting thing about engineering problems like making a tissue encased sack of blood into a larger tissue encased sack of blood is that it’s extremely easy to get carried away and assume that the best route is ramping up force at a fairly quick pace, making gains quickly and then retiring - job done. The problem with this is that, the highest force that can be applied is fairly low and you will reach this maximal level very quickly. The trick is to find the minimal force gradient for maximal gains. You may have found that but it’s a fair bet that you have actually increased force too quickly as your gains are in line with many from the newbie routine.

I doubt your cream is doing much, which is probably a good thing. Full healing is not the idea :) You don’t mention heat, it’s worthy of investigation.

It may be worth learning the acronyms, like BPEL, and it’s very much worth taking good measurements. There are plenty of threads around here describing the best way to measure consistently.

I hope your gains continue.

Welcome to TP.

It sounds like you are rushing into things and hope you don’t end up slowing your gains in the long run. I am also wondering where you warm-up/warm-down are.

KS - It is not entirely true to say that I am a newbie (to PEing) but that is my fault for not mentioning my history. I am 29 years old but I actually discovered PE when I was about 16-17. I have done PE on and off before but despite the gains I saw every time I started, I never really felt a need for anything bigger and would end up stopping a short while after starting. I have now committed to a size that I would like to shoot for and am loving every day! Good to speak with you. :)

M - I have no intention of “quick gains and then retiring”. I am a personal trainer (among other things) and certainly respect the importance of progression. True, it could be said that this is a faster progression than some but again, I refer you back to my response to KingSnake; I have been doing PE on and off for about 12 years. As for the cream, I noticed you said, “It probably isn’t doing much.” I was wondering what you were basing that statement on?

C - My warm up is pretty simple, I just put my large space heater in front of my chair while I slowly get into my stretching routine.

Thanks for all of your responses.

P.s. I also take a regiment of supplements every day for general health/immunity and work closely with my friend of 22 years who is a health and wellness practitioner. I have only listed the supplements on this post that have a greater degree of relevance to internal repair and healthy blood flow. *Note: None of these supplements help at all with making anything bigger, rather I believe they aid the specific type of healing process we are looking for and thus ones risk of over training.
- Ginkgo Biloba 120mg — There is supporting evidence that Ginkgo lends itself to improvements in blood flow (including micro-circulation in small capillaries). It has also been shown to be helpful in thrombosis.
- Omega 3, 6, 9 — These fatty acids are great for general tissue repair, be it internally or externally.
There are probably another 9 supplements I take everyday that I would be happy to discuss with anyone who is interested. I felt the two above were the most relevant to PE.

P.p.s. A note for all of those I am lucky enough to have an exchange with. I tend to have a very analytical approach to communication in general so please don’t confuse my questioning with combativeness. Just know that if you make a statement/claim without some form of fact/evidence (anecdotal is better than nothing) or other basis for your position, I will aim to dismantle it for the sole purpose of attempting to discover the deeper truth. In short, stay away if you’re sensitive. :)

Certainly on a par with. Whether a newbie or back from a break, initial gains normally come fast.

Any topical substance will not penetrate deeply. It may make it to the blood stream but then there is little point in it being topical. It certainly won’t make it to the deeper tissue other than via the blood.

OK but you left out a bunch of info, hampering our efficiency when answering you.

M - It is quite an over-reaching statement to say, "ANY topical substance will not penetrate deeply." I personally try to avoid such absolutes. In the case of the cream I use, it employs a Liposome Transport Mechanism that is specifically designed for absorption through the skin, this combined with the relatively thin skin of the penis makes for quite an effective means of powerful antioxidant absorption and thus tissue regeneration. The cream is a common one for mild sport injuries because of its effects on transient blood flow.

If anyone has a more technical interest in Liposome Transport Mechanisms, there is a very academically oriented article from Columbia University here - http://www.colu mbia.edu/cu/che … iles/2001_3.pdf
You can also find out more by just typing in "what is a liposome transport mechanism" into google.

Regarding your statement, "It may make it to the blood stream but then there is little point in it being topical."
1. By virtue of topical application you will have a higher concentration of active ingredients in the area of needed tissue repair (assuming there is an effective transport mechanism) than you otherwise would via internal ingestion (again, this is why it is recommended for mild sports injuries such as sprains).

Finally, your statement, "It certainly won’t make it to the deeper tissue other than via the blood". I am actually a bit flabbergasted that you would say "other than via the blood", the blood is the overwhelming transport mechanism for all chemical compounds, especially to that of deeper tissues!

Simply put, an effective transport mechanism of potent antioxidants makes for excellent localized tissue repair capabilities, especially when you are applying it through a thin membrane (I.e., the skin of the penis). When you add internal supplements such as Gingko Biloba you can further increase efficacy.

I may be somewhat new to PE, but I am not new to everything ;)

The article you linked shows an ability to penetrate an experimental membrane substitute. I don’t doubt some substances penetrate the outer layer of skin, make it to capillaries, even vessels and are returned promptly to the heart, i.e. away from the penis.

The ability to penetrate a single membrane does not infer that a substance can penetrate multiple layers of tissue of differing types and it certainly doesn’t mean that it would.

Even if your magic cream can repair the outer tissue, it’s not going to make it to the tunicae.

In a similar manner, a nicotene patch is great for increasing the nicotene level in the blood, not because your arm really fancies a cigarette.

AoA

Welcome to TP and good luck.

I think you’ll need it, because your chosen routine is not as light as you think.

Is there a specific reason you did not adhere to the recommended Newbie Routine? I ask because I assume you did some introducing reading in TP before you decided to go at it.

Richard - I love the picture :)

AoA

Me too, but I guess that’s not your full answer :-)

M - I respectfully decline to continue our exchange as it is growing to hostile for my taste. Plus, there is an old adage about being wary of who you argue with that comes to mind..

Richard - I was initially confused when I read your comment, “.your chosen routine is not as light as you think”. After re-reading my original post I can see how someone could reasonably interpret my statement in that way.

I only intended for “light” in my original post to be an adjective to “stretching”, not to the whole routine. I will be adjusting my routine though, taking a more moderate approach in the next two weeks:

5 minutes of manual stretching
5 minutes of straight angle stretching with 4 lb weight
5 minutes of high angle stretching with 4 lb weight

Followed by 15 minutes of standard jelqing 5 days/week with 2 days rest.

To your question about my lack of adherence to the newbie routine: I discovered PE about 11 years ago and have done it on and off for some time. I just never really stuck with a routine until the start of this year (not a New Years resolution by the way, just coincidence). Also, I spent a good 5 days reading over this site prior to getting into the swing of things again. Thanks for your reply :)

:rolleyes:

Please, don’t refer to people with the first letter of their username; it is not kind and makes posts confusing; either you use their complete username or (way better) you quote the post your are referring to, like I did with the above posts.

As for proofs, let me enlighten you a bit: to enlarge the penis, you have to enlarge the Tunica Albuginea; now, do you have any proofs that your cream can help enlarging the Tunica Albuginea of the human penis? If you don’t have such a proof, it’s unlikely that your cream is doing anything. The same for other supplements - ginko biloba, omega-3 etc.., they could do more harm than good.

Edit: I edited the title of your thread; there is no need to write ‘<first post>’ since it is easy to know that it was your first post and the title written that way looks just horrible.

So are you saying it is ok for you to question and argue peoples points but when it is turned around on yours, you opt out?

I’m not sure how you can tell people to stay away if they are sensitive but then have then have a sensitive reaction.

AoA

Well, I still think that a 15min stretch and 15min jelq routine is heavy to start with. In my taste it rather should be 5/5mins for the first 2-4 weeks.

Another source of worries is the warm-up. I am not convinced that a space heater gives enough and specifically directed heat to warm up your dick really good. I’d recommend 5 mins of rice sock - the heat simply penetrates deeper.

And did you mention warm-down too? As important as warm up!

After all, it’s your dick and not mine, but I would start a bit slower - and listen if vets are posting. After all that’s why Thundersplace is all about. And I am not even a vet, just a Newbie!

Just my two cents, based on my own limited experience.