3 months in, a few conceptual questions

Hi I have been doing PE for 3 months, so far no gains but really obviously enlarged veins and longer flaccid hang. So I guess length (my main focus )is on the way, though I have a few questions:

My routine is pretty usual, start from light stretches (jai x45, rotary x2~4, all direction), and dry/wet jelq from 100 to 160 (work my way up in 3 months), then kegal 50x5 secs hold and 5x50 secs hold

1. I have the feeling that ligament is not my limiting factor, but how can I find out if that’s the truth?

2. Anyone have good PIs (like me, pronounced veins, longer flaccid length ) but still don’t see gains?

3. Are the followings correct?
ADS= focus on lig
All direction/jai stretches= lig and tunica
Dry jelq in low erection= lig and tunica
Rotary stretches=lig
Fowfer=lig

4. I am switching my routine from quantity to quality, which means I will time myself for workout, what’s the recommended length of time for workout? (For example, stretching for 5~7 mins, 15 for jelqing)

5. Anyone gains 2 inches only from tunica expansion?

Thanks in advance!

Ei stanley
I’m having good PI’s but no growth as well, so the guys said to try hanging, ADS and/or read the following:
Mem’s Momentous Rapid Gain Mechanism

I’m going to read that thread and i’m going to make an ADS as well, so let’s see in a month how it goes :)

I also read this theory:
Focus Your PE and Gain! TGC Theory

keep in touch so we can discuss where’s our errors

Hi Tuga how long have you been doing pe?

Hey man, If your focused on length gains, try chainging up your rountine. Your getting great PI’s. Larger flaccid, and pronounced veins are a great gain!

Thers a member here named Krod and what he did was stretch everday, no days off unless he felt over trained. He stretched in the morning and at night. Only 15 minutes eash session. If you want, you could try something like that. He jelqed too 2 days on 1 day off. but never took a day off stretching. His results was 7.2”BPEL Length, to 8.75BPEL after a year in a half.

Good luck to ya man!

Thanks, I will check his thread out!

Why doing JAI stretches?

I’ve started mid January but without consistency, just experimenting, and i started a real routine in the beginning of march.
My PI’s are like yours, bigger flaccid and more veins.
Probably we need to increase quantity in stretching and jelquing.
i’m also going to add Inverted V Stretches and Jelq squeezes and i’m going to try making an ADS.
I’m going to add until i get negative PI’s and start from just before them.

Keep us updated about what you’re going to do.

To Tuga:
Have you done dry jelq? I didn’t gain from that yet but I do feel workout while doing dry jelq

To Marinera:
Why not Jai? Not suitable for my workout?

Because the newbie routine recommends regular jelqs. JAI stretches are somewhat a ‘last resort’ thing: one should use them when regular stretches aren’t working.

But what so different between jai and regular all directions stretches? Except the “2 secs hold and release” are they almost identical?

Almost, yes. Basically, with a standard manual stretch, the tension is raised very gradully, so the tissue is allowed to relax to a slightly longer state seconds after second.

With a JAI stretches, the tension, albeit raised gradually, is raising faster; they are intended as a trick to overcome the anti-lenghtening reflex.