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2 months in: Surprised, confused, disheartened

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2 months in: Surprised, confused, disheartened

First two months

I’m not sure how to begin this. I’m not going to sit here and try to tell anyone that PE doesn’t work. Obviously this works for some people or this wouldn’t be such a huge community. I’m frustrated though, and all I know for sure right now is that two months in, PE hasn’t worked for me. My question is why? I’ve been steadfast and dedicated. I don’t miss workouts. I spend hours on Thunder’s reading, researching, and learning. It didn’t even cross my mind that this wouldn’t work. As I first started out, my only question was how long it would take to reach my goals (several years I thought), not whether or not it would actually work. I figured as long as I stayed patient, consistent, and educated, then it was only a matter of time.

My routine the first month consisted of light stretches throughout the day and about 25 minutes of wet jelqing, one day on, one day off. I measured at the one month mark and didn’t gain a millimeter. Suffice to say, I was bummed, especially considering newbies are supposed to gain fastest. The only change I noticed was increased vascularity. I thought it would be silly to give up after a month though, and figured I just needed to tweak things. I took about 10 days off to make sure I wasn’t overtraining, sought advice on Thunder’s and was back at it for month number two.

During month number two I upped the intensity overall. My routine consisted of a concentration of about 13 minutes of stretches in all directions (instead of random light ones throughout the day) followed by about 23-24 minutes of wet jelqing, two days on, one day off. Once again, I was consistent with the workouts. Expansion was great, the head fully engorged, and I made sure to always apply heat with a mini space heater in front of me while I sat on a heating pad, and PIs were good.

And here we are, month two in the books and still 0 gains. Just some thicker veins. It’s really difficult to get motivated to complete a quarter-year (a third month) of PE when you’ve had no positive reinforcement or reward to show for your effort so far. Two months is probably enough time to know that what you’re doing isn’t going to work for you and that doing it for a third month is a waste of time and effort. I was so motivated the first month. I convinced myself the changes I’d make were going to work the second month. I don’t know how I’d be able to convince myself for a third month. My dick is probably saying “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me” as I type.

Next options

So what now? Where I live at the moment, I don’t have access to any devices; pumps, ADS, hanging, etc. are out of the question. I figured I wouldn’t even need any of that until several months or even a year into things anyway. I will eventually be back home (the U.S.) though. Do I just forget about PE until then, and then look into PE devices when I get back, some ADS/pumping combo maybe? What about surgery? I always told myself there was no way I’d let a knife near my penis, but if PE doesn’t work for me, which it hasn’t thus far, what other options do I have? I want this too badly to just give up. It seems like surgery is more trouble than it’s worth though, with an inch of gains max, a boner that won’t stand as high, and the possibility of complications. And with a penis that falls short of 6 inches BP, I’d want length first before I’d consider having surgery for girth, the success of which isn’t guaranteed either.

Someone in my progress diary kindly suggested I try the babbis routine. I looked that up and it seemed to be a very light routine meant for people that hadn’t done any PE at all before. Should I take some time off, perhaps a complete deconditioning break (not like I have any gains that I’d risk losing), and then try this babbis routine? Considering how light and infrequent babbis routine workouts are, it feels like putting hope in that would just be clinging to desperation.

I don’t want to give this up, but I also know, as Einstein alluded to, that it would be insane to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Therefore, vets, your guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading.


On and off since 2007

Started (October 2007) at: 5.5 BPEL x 4.75 EG

Last Did PE (March 2012) at: 6.00 BPEL x 5 EG

I don’t think a month is that much. Realize that if you gain 1 mm per month (1/25”) you gain about 1/2” in one year - like this guy did
2-inch Growth Comparative Pictures

What mean that you don’t have access to any device? You can build an AFB hanger with, well, just two flat sticks. Just saying.

PE everyday by either keeping the intensity moderate, or by switching modes day to day like a bodybuilding split. As I’ve made clear on here before, I think off days are a waste of time in PE “unless you experience negative PI’s.” If you don’t experience negative PI’s, keep going man.


2/11/11: 7.75" BPEL, 6" BSEG, 5.5" MSEG

6/4/11: 8.4" BPEL, 6.375" BSEG, 5.8" MSEG

Just started again, another new measurement coming soon; I'm pretty close to that June '11 though.

Growing 09, man I’m sorry to hear that you’ve not gained.
I think jelqing is best for breaking down and slightly tearing tissue thereby posing it for stretching and growth.
I would say your well conditioned and ready for growth.
It is a shame you cannot ads at this point.

Maybe read my posts under my routine and look at the ads I built.
Also, look up the shunga roll.
Mine is just a modified shunga roll.
No one in public will know your wearing it.

You start that and wear it steady for a month, as often as you can and as much pull and pressure as you can handle. In another month you will have gains in length.


12/10, Bpel-7", Mseg-6", Beg-6.3"

07/11, Bpel-7.85, Mseg-6.5", Beg-6.9" My routine and pics here

I’m no veteran, but if it were me, and if your not suffering from any negative PI, then crank up the intensity of whatever exercises you’re familiar with for the next month until you see some progress or notice a decrease in EQ or PI.

I’m getting the feeling you might be undertraining.

Don’t give up!


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Originally Posted by cantlook
I’m no veteran, but if it were me, and if your not suffering from any negative PI, then crank up the intensity of whatever exercises you’re familiar with for the next month until you see some progress or notice a decrease in EQ or PI.

I’m getting the feeling you might be undertraining.

Don’t give up!

Yeah, I got the same feeling when reading his post. You should theoretically be going as hard as you can WITHOUT hurting yourself acutely or chronically, hence if there are no negative PI’s, up that sumbitch!


2/11/11: 7.75" BPEL, 6" BSEG, 5.5" MSEG

6/4/11: 8.4" BPEL, 6.375" BSEG, 5.8" MSEG

Just started again, another new measurement coming soon; I'm pretty close to that June '11 though.

Err, disagree. When you hurt yourself, it’s too late.

It sounds like you have had positive PI’s, but no negative ones. Growth is the positive sign you’re looking for. If you haven’t seen it yet, keep upping your routine, but back off if you have bad signs cropping up.


“I was like, Am I gay? Am I straight? And I realized...I'm just slutty. Where's my parade? What about slut pride?”

― Margaret Cho

I would up the intensity a LITTLE, drop the time down. Go by feel, if after your workout your unit feels fatigued then you will grow eventually. Some of us have tougher dicks than others, but go easy. A wise man on thunders once said it’s a marathon not a sprint.

Thanks marinera, TheStallion, ivorytower, cantlook, northmiamitop, and griongrower for your responses and advice. I didn’t know how lonely my thread would be considering people would inevitably rather read of successes than failures, but with support like this I really can’t give up.

To answer your question Marinera, I mean mainly that I do not have the access or the privacy for the shipping and use of an ADS, hanger, or pump. Let’s just say the region I’m in and my current living arrangement is restricting access to certain things. I’m also unsure of the kind of materials I’d have access to in terms of making my own device.

cantlook and TheStallion - I think I’ve been towing the line between under and over training. There were days where my erections were a bit weak and not as frequent, and I do feel fatigue after my workouts. I really don’t think I’ve been under-training, but I have been quite careful not to over-train or injure myself. Perhaps I’ve been overly cautious? I don’t think so, but I suppose it’s possible.

I’ll try to heed the advice of ivorytower and others and look up some different homemade devices and see if I can scrap together the necessary materials. If I can’t do it, I’ll just take up ADS when I get back to the US.

It looks like the consensus is to not lighten anything up in terms of intensity or frequency. That would leave out the babbis routine. So far, no one seems to think I should take a break and then start out extra lightly after that. If I’m unable to scrap together a makeshift ADS, do you really think I should up the intensity to say 3 days on, 1 off, or keep with 2 on 1 off and up the time spent jelqing and stretching (to say 20 minutes stretching and 30-35 minutes jelqing)?

I’ve read that some people have actually noticed gains during rest periods. Anyone think I should go that route and see what happens?

One again, your advice is greatly appreciated. Please keep it coming as I read up and regroup for another go.

Thank you.


On and off since 2007

Started (October 2007) at: 5.5 BPEL x 4.75 EG

Last Did PE (March 2012) at: 6.00 BPEL x 5 EG

My personal opinion: 3on/1 off and use an homemade ADS (check Cantlook’ threads, for example), if you are after length; if you are more after girth, consider light clamping - with your hands or with a cock-ring (there are several things easy to find near everywhere to make a cock-ring).

“As I first started out, my only question was how long it would take to reach my goals (several years I thought), not whether or not it would actually work. I figured as long as I stayed patient, consistent, and educated, then it was only a matter of time.”

So, analyze what you said and compare it with your reaction now.
So if you are 6 inches in length and let’s suppose that your goal is 8 inches, if you thougth it would take several years, let’s make it 4, you would grow normally and steadily yeach year (0.5 a year it’s 1/25 a month like Marinera said). 1 mm a month, is that even noticeable?

Imagine this year before you’re back home to be a training year for heavier stuff.

Just be patient and don’t quit.


01/03/2009- NBPEL:5.1; EG:4.6.

01/05/2010- NBPEL:6.1; EG:4.7.

Long Term Goal- NBPEL: 7.0; EG:5.5

Keep track of your BPFSL. In my opinion it is the best indicator of whether your stretching is effective. I personally think daily stretching and even doing piss pulls throughout the day and fowfers are ok as long as you have positive PI’s. I think rest days are more essential for girth exercises.

Dog your chasing the fountain of youth and you don’t have billions

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