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Total testosterone of 290 at 21 years old. Options?

Sorry for the late reply (was kind of discouraged after disappointing doctor’s visits and tests) but I just had an MRI yesterday because my doctor thinks I have some kind of tumor in my pituitary that’s causing the low levels. It doesn’t make much sense because I tried HCG from an overseas pharmacy and my testosterone level didn’t change at all (still in the 300 to 400 range after multiple tests). But my FSH and LH did drop to significantly under the bottom end of the reference ranges for those two tests so I know the HCG is real HCG since it was normal before. I told the doctor that and he still wanted me to do the MRI so I did it. All my other blood test numbers were perfectly normal so my doctor is kind of stumped. In my opinion I think it’s primary hypogonadism since the HCG failed to incrase my testosterone level and my blood tests are normal. But normally with primary the pituitary makes an excess of LH and FSH because it thinks the testes are producing too little testosterone (they’re unable to produce more). However my pituitary could simultaneously think a level of 300 to 400 is perfectly fine which would explain the lack of elevation in LH and FSH in my tests before I took the HCG. I’m just hoping I don’t have a tumor when I get the results in a few days.

Originally Posted by TungstenMan

Sorry for the late reply (was kind of discouraged after disappointing doctor’s visits and tests) but I just had an MRI yesterday because my doctor thinks I have some kind of tumor in my pituitary that’s causing the low levels. It doesn’t make much sense because I tried HCG from an overseas pharmacy and my testosterone level didn’t change at all (still in the 300 to 400 range after multiple tests). But my FSH and LH did drop to significantly under the bottom end of the reference ranges for those two tests so I know the HCG is real HCG since it was normal before. I told the doctor that and he still wanted me to do the MRI so I did it. All my other blood test numbers were perfectly normal so my doctor is kind of stumped. In my opinion I think it’s primary hypogonadism since the HCG failed to incrase my testosterone level and my blood tests are normal. But normally with primary the pituitary makes an excess of LH and FSH because it thinks the testes are producing too little testosterone (they’re unable to produce more). However my pituitary could simultaneously think a level of 300 to 400 is perfectly fine which would explain the lack of elevation in LH and FSH in my tests before I took the HCG. I’m just hoping I don’t have a tumor when I get the results in a few days.

What your fat levels in surrounding tissue is like?

Ever lived near or by chemical industries?

Do you have tendency to develop man’s boobs or Gynecomastia?

Ask your Doctor for a thorough blood investigation of estrogen receptors see if any changes have occurred.

Originally Posted by sricardo
What your fat levels in surrounding tissue is like?
Ever lived near or by chemical industries?
Do you have tendency to develop man’s boobs or Gynecomastia?
Ask your Doctor for a thorough blood investigation of estrogen receptors see if any changes have occurred.

Body fat is pretty low in my opinion because I have veins on my calves and shoulders (I always have this thin layer of fat over my abs).

Haven’t lived near a chemical plant.

I’ve never had man boobs.

I’ll ask my doctor about that but what do you mean by investigate the estrogen receptors to see if changes have occurred?

I doubt it’s a tumor (I can’t help thinking about saying this with Arnold’s voice, haha). Some guys just have a little lower T. I am one of them. I’ve been pretty consistently around 350 since my early 30’s, now I’m 37 and it’s the same. I’ve come to the conclusion that hormone level like this are just pre-programmed in your genetic makeup and there is nothing wrong with you. I go in cycles of horniness, a lot of it is stress related and how well I am feeling in general with my work life/money/friends/family etc. I’ve tried taking the herbal supplements to increase T.they just make me break out like when I was a teenager. It sucks. For PE I am going to try them again, sparingly, to increase erection frequency. The other benefit of low-normal T is that I have no balding whatsoever. My DHT is 1 point below range, basically normal, not worth treating.. That controls hair loss and I have none, and I am thankful for that.

Thanks but I guess the issue is I don’t really want to have low T because of all the problems I’ve been having. I’d just really like to have normal libido and erections again.

Originally Posted by TungstenMan
Body fat is pretty low in my opinion because I have veins on my calves and shoulders (I always have this thin layer of fat over my abs).

Nothing to do with your appearance

Haven’t lived near a chemical plant.

good

I’ve never had man boobs.
good

DO ou frequenlly eat take out food or other forms that comes with plastic?

I’ll ask my doctor about that but what do you mean by investigate the estrogen receptors to see if changes have occurred?


Yes correct otherwise I would not like to write you a book he/she would not what I am talking about

Originally Posted by sricardo
Yes correct otherwise I would not like to write you a book he/she would not what I am talking about

I don’t eat from any plastics.

Hopefully I’ll have the results of my MRI by early next week and I’ll mention what you said to the doctor.

Originally Posted by Walter5169
Legs exercises should help with testosterone (squats).

+1


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

I am not a doctor. I noticed you mentioned that you are gluten intolerant.

May I interest you with something? I am not saying it will work but we are all swimming in dark waters here, at least many of us.

There is the D’Adamo theory about proper nutrition. Goes back to 1910-1920 I think, not sure. This theory states that a man should eat according to his blood type.

You can google it. There are free tables of proper and inproper foods for every blood type. Completely free. All natural.

I know that many physicians and nutrition experts said that this theory is bollocks. I think, and I am highlighting think, D’adamo and his son proved the theory which was also published in medical magazines back then but didn’t get the proper attention from the medical society.

Now, I am on that diet for over a year. Didn’t have any problems, I accidentally bumped into it. I can assure you my mood is better, I feel more alive, stronger and generally more alive, if you like.

I have only a bit of high cholesterol levels but D’adamo states it’s normal for this kind of blood type. My blood type.Other than that I am perfectly healthy.

D’adamo also states what kind of exercise should every blood type follow. For example people with blood type A need light exercise every day to be healthy, like yoga, or pilates, walking etc. Blood type O needs heavy and stamina orientated exercise etc.

I am not saying that this will work for you. It’s a suggestion. Maybe you would like to try before you start medication.

I mean you allready tried many things.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Originally Posted by TungstenMan
Sorry for the late reply (was kind of discouraged after disappointing doctor’s visits and tests) but I just had an MRI yesterday because my doctor thinks I have some kind of tumor in my pituitary that’s causing the low levels.

Sorry to hear you were on prozac.. nobody, not just kids should be on all this stuff that american doctors seem so keen to prescribe (No offence to america).

I know people here mean well with exercise and diet, but it seems more serious with that.. I am completely in the life of Strength training and eating right but from reading through the whole post I have to agree with marinera on most things he said.

I really think that there could be something wrong else where, as the doc suggested maybe with the piturty glad maybe some thing else. and you would be wise to explore that possibility to the fullest extent. you owe it to yourself. after that option is exhausted then medication is still an option.. but to correct everything with out that would be the best.

It is the similar with leptin and ghrelin in obesity, and where it is a hormonal imbalance, so it could be the same here.

Even try other doctor. I no people who have been saved my this action.. Buy you doctor does sound good too

Good luck

Originally Posted by bill10
I am not a doctor. I noticed you mentioned that you are gluten intolerant.

May I interest you with something? I am not saying it will work but we are all swimming in dark waters here, at least many of us.

There is the D’Adamo theory about proper nutrition. Goes back to 1910-1920 I think, not sure. This theory states that a man should eat according to his blood type.

You can google it. There are free tables of proper and inproper foods for every blood type. Completely free. All natural.

I know that many physicians and nutrition experts said that this theory is bollocks. I think, and I am highlighting think, D’adamo and his son proved the theory which was also published in medical magazines back then but didn’t get the proper attention from the medical society.

Now, I am on that diet for over a year. Didn’t have any problems, I accidentally bumped into it. I can assure you my mood is better, I feel more alive, stronger and generally more alive, if you like.

I have only a bit of high cholesterol levels but D’adamo states it’s normal for this kind of blood type. My blood type.Other than that I am perfectly healthy.

D’adamo also states what kind of exercise should every blood type follow. For example people with blood type A need light exercise every day to be healthy, like yoga, or pilates, walking etc. Blood type O needs heavy and stamina orientated exercise etc.

I am not saying that this will work for you. It’s a suggestion. Maybe you would like to try before you start medication.

I mean you allready tried many things.

Thanks I might try it soon.

Originally Posted by Ireland8x6
Sorry to hear you were on prozac.. nobody, not just kids should be on all this stuff that american doctors seem so keen to prescribe (No offence to america).

I know people here mean well with exercise and diet, but it seems more serious with that.. I am completely in the life of Strength training and eating right but from reading through the whole post I have to agree with marinera on most things he said.

I really think that there could be something wrong else where, as the doc suggested maybe with the piturty glad maybe some thing else. and you would be wise to explore that possibility to the fullest extent. you owe it to yourself. after that option is exhausted then medication is still an option.. but to correct everything with out that would be the best.

It is the similar with leptin and ghrelin in obesity, and where it is a hormonal imbalance, so it could be the same here.

Even try other doctor. I no people who have been saved my this action.. Buy you doctor does sound good too

Good luck

Yea I’m not exactly sure what’s wrong but I think it’s related to my testes ability to produce testosterone. I tried taking HCG and it didn’t have any effect on my testosterone level so I think it’s definitely something with my testes. Not sure why they don’t produce enough testosterone though.

Here is something I gathered..

Blood type O: digestion issues, thyroid issues, joints inflammation, prone to viruses and infections, strong immune system, tendency to gain weight easily, allergies, intolerance to change of climate, thin blood, blood clots, high cholesterol, infertility for women. 40% of human population.
Blood type A: Low stress tolerance. cardiovascular issues, diabetes, very well adoptable to any kind of climate, mucus in the blood stream, thick blood, allergies. 38% of human population
Blood type B: strongest immune system, adoptable to a point to climate and altitude changes, very high stress tolerance, mental issues, insanity, dymentia, alzheimers, women of that blood type are considered the most fertile. 14% of human population
Type AB: A mixture of both A and B. 8% of human population.

As you can see it expands to much more than diet. It’s a whole theory.


BPEL 7 EG 5.5 NBPEL 6.5 Flaccid length 4.5. Started Jan 2015 at bpel 6.5 nbpel 6.0 and eg 5.2 flaccid length was 3.5

I have reached my goal. At least for now.

Alright looks like I am correct. As I said before my testosterone level was 400 ng/dL while taking the HCG I bought from India (my level before taking the HCG was also 400) and I went off of the HCG for a week then got my testosterone level retested (along with getting an MRI done) and my testosterone level came back at 136 ng/dL so I can say with 100% certainty that the HCG I bought works. This also confirms my view that I have primary hypogonadism (wel or at least a low maximum testosterone level that I can achieve through any means) because direct stimulation of my testes via HCG failed to elevate my level to a normal level for a healthy in shape 21 year old male (which is around 1,000 ng/dL). But of course my level is just not severe “enough” to treat according to doctors (because apparently having 0 erections in the morning and 0 erections during the day is NOT severe according to doctors…. sigh)). Finally the MRI showed a 3mm cyst on my pituitary but my doctor said people can just be born with them but he wants me to get another MRI in a few months to see if it has enlarged or remained the same size. This cyst cannot be the cause of my problems because even if the cyst reduces my production of LH (theoretically because based on tests it does not) HCG acts like LH in the body by directly stimulating the testes to produce more testosterone which bypasses the pituitary’s regulation mechanism.

So it looks like my only option at this point in time is to figure out how I can convince a doctor to give me testosterone replacement therapy.

Testosterone supplementation will likely cause the cyst to grow.

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