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The All-Encompassing Drug Thread (no, not illegal drugs!)

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Just sent you a PM. I’m not sure if I’d be breaking the rules posting it publicly.


September 20, 2007: BPEL: 5.8 inches, EG: <5.5 inches

March 15, 2008: BPEL: 7.6 inches, EG: 5.75 inches

Yes, that's a gain of 1.8 inches. And no... That's not my real picture.

Originally Posted by thal
Your list is missing probably the two best supplements D-aspartic acid medically proven to increase T. And Citrulline malate for erection blood flow. Both Amino Acids, so they are natural. Both are pretty cheap. And that’s all you need.

Well… the thread was specifically about drugs, not supplements. There are thousands of supplements for which different companies claim all sorts of miraculous results. In a study by the CDC, d-aspartic acid has been shown to increase leutenizing hormone, which in turn should increase endogenous testosterone, but LH can never increase endogenous testosterone (testosterone produced within the body) to the same levels that injections of testosterone can achieve. Drugs like HCG also increase LH, but HCG is typically only used by bodybuilders to either increase endogenous testosterone production at the end of a steroid cycle, or to prevent testicular shrinkage during a cycle. D-aspartic acid might produce a modest increase in T, but it’s not a miracle supplement.

In regards to citrulline, I could only find one single scientific study on it, and that study said that its effects on the blood vessels were actually caused by arginine. Arginine is a metabolite of citrulline and the arginine is what actually causes the blood vessels to relax. You’d be better off just buying l-arginine at the health food store and letting your body bypass the citrulline and go straight to the arginine. Citrulline is suddenly the “new big thing” in health food stores, and the fancier the bottle, the more expensive the product. It’s a fad. It MIGHT produce a very subtle effect, but the people who are raving about it are either shysters or they are just raving about the placebo effect. Citrulline is never going to produce results as pronounced as PDE5 inhibitors (Viagra, et al).

So… I have to respectfully disagree with you that those two supplements are “all you need”. They probably have a minor effect in some people, but they aren’t miracle supplements.


September 20, 2007: BPEL: 5.8 inches, EG: <5.5 inches

March 15, 2008: BPEL: 7.6 inches, EG: 5.75 inches

Yes, that's a gain of 1.8 inches. And no... That's not my real picture.

Originally Posted by dtwarren1942
Sam, you need to bone up on Vitaros and Stendra. They are both new ED drugs pending final FDA approval. Vitaros is a reformulation of Alpostradil which can be applied directly to the glans. Stendra is a reformulaion of Lavitra allowing the tablet to be placed under the tongue where it can be absorbed directly into the blood system for quicker results.

As you said, Vitaros is just another brand of alprostadil, which I discussed above under Caverject. It’s obviously a better delivery system than the other alprostadil drugs. Hell… you could turn it into a fun game by having your wife or girlfriend rub it on the glans! That’s definitely better than sticking a plastic rod up your urethra or sticking your dick with a needle.

Stendra is actually a new PDE5 inhibitor which I had never heard of. It’s different than Viagra, Cialis, and Levitra, but it works the same way. It was just approved by the US Food and Drug Administration last year. It’s claim to fame is that it apparently kicks in more quickly than the others. Here’s a copy and paste from prostate.net. This explains the differences in the four approved PDE5 inhibitors:

How Fast Do ED Drugs Work?
Some erectile dysfunction drugs work faster than others, and food can be a contributing factor
Cialis: 15 to 45 minutes, food has no effect
Levitra and Staxyn: 25 minutes, but can be delayed if taken with a fatty meal
Stendra: 30 minutes, food not believed to have an effect
Viagra: 30 minutes, but can be delayed if taken with food

How Long ED Drugs Last
The erectile dysfunction drugs differ in how long a man can expect to be able to achieve an erection. Actual times can vary, depending on the dose taken and other factors.
Cialis: 36 hours
Levitra and Staxyn: 4 to 5 hours
Stendra: more than 6 hours in some patients
Viagra: 4 to 5 hours

By the way… Staxyn is the same drug as Levitra but it’s sold in a sublingual form.


September 20, 2007: BPEL: 5.8 inches, EG: <5.5 inches

March 15, 2008: BPEL: 7.6 inches, EG: 5.75 inches

Yes, that's a gain of 1.8 inches. And no... That's not my real picture.

I just remembered another drug which affects us “down there”. Cabergoline is used to treat Cushings disease, Parkinson’s disease, and several other diseases. Some bodybuilders use it to treat gynecomastia (bitch tits). The side effect that we care about is that it reduces the refractory period, which means in some men it allows them to have multiple orgasms. They can maintain an erection after an orgasm and have several orgasms in quick succession. I’ve never tried it, but after reading about it I’d sure like to.


September 20, 2007: BPEL: 5.8 inches, EG: <5.5 inches

March 15, 2008: BPEL: 7.6 inches, EG: 5.75 inches

Yes, that's a gain of 1.8 inches. And no... That's not my real picture.

Originally Posted by sam1966
Well… the thread was specifically about drugs, not supplements. There are thousands of supplements for which different companies claim all sorts of miraculous results. In a study by the CDC, d-aspartic acid has been shown to increase leutenizing hormone, which in turn should increase endogenous testosterone, but LH can never increase endogenous testosterone (testosterone produced within the body) to the same levels that injections of testosterone can achieve. Drugs like HCG also increase LH, but HCG is typically only used by bodybuilders to either increase endogenous testosterone production at the end of a steroid cycle, or to prevent testicular shrinkage during a cycle. D-aspartic acid might produce a modest increase in T, but it’s not a miracle supplement.

In regards to citrulline, I could only find one single scientific study on it, and that study said that its effects on the blood vessels were actually caused by arginine. Arginine is a metabolite of citrulline and the arginine is what actually causes the blood vessels to relax. You’d be better off just buying l-arginine at the health food store and letting your body bypass the citrulline and go straight to the arginine. Citrulline is suddenly the “new big thing” in health food stores, and the fancier the bottle, the more expensive the product. It’s a fad. It MIGHT produce a very subtle effect, but the people who are raving about it are either shysters or they are just raving about the placebo effect. Citrulline is never going to produce results as pronounced as PDE5 inhibitors (Viagra, et al).

So… I have to respectfully disagree with you that those two supplements are “all you need”. They probably have a minor effect in some people, but they aren’t miracle supplements.

I can tell you have never took either. So read up all you want…but I’m telling you DAA is very good. I realize that this is a drug thread. I would rather put amino acids into my body then drugs. But instead of researching it for 30 mins go get yourself a container and try it for 4 weeks. Then come back and disagree.

Originally Posted by sam1966

Just sent you a PM. I’m not sure if I’d be breaking the rules posting it publicly.

You can post your experiences publicly since these are not considered controlled substances. I would like to read about your dosing and experiences with some of the substances you posted, mainly with clomid.

Thought of another, but I thought it deserved its own thread. Hibiclens, also known as chlorhexidine, is great for uncircumcised men to use to wash their penises. It’s kills the bacteria that cause stinky smells. Here’s a link to the other thread where I wrote about it: Uncircumcised men, REJOICE!


September 20, 2007: BPEL: 5.8 inches, EG: <5.5 inches

March 15, 2008: BPEL: 7.6 inches, EG: 5.75 inches

Yes, that's a gain of 1.8 inches. And no... That's not my real picture.

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