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Anybody here managed to have an orgasm by jerking off something other than the penis ? Haha.

So far I managed to feel pleasure jerking off the base of my dick. Very close to the pubic bone. It felt like my penis and pleasure was all there concentrated at the base. I know theres a nerve running on the the top of the penis, and I admit I also jerked that top portion. I`m curious if I`ll keep jerking lower and lower eventually reaching the pubic bone area, will I have that feeling in my pubic area ?? I`m very curious.

Having the expectation of having to jerk anything off is the problem in your equation.
Orgasm is a mind thing, first and foremost.. including the ejaculation ;)

The feeling will go wherever you can easily and in a relaxed way _let_ it go/flow. The point is not forcing or thinking or trying, but simply deliberately _allowing_ it to wander off.. and if it be the microcosmic orbit as a tool to enhance the newbie’s imagination then the MO it will be.

This doesn’t that the M.O. isn’t “real”; it just means that in the beginning it’s more a help to let go of preconceptions (a rational sounding explanation for a highly irrational topic!) and simply allow the flow to happen.

Ys

Well since it appears Firegoat has abandoned the thread I’ll ask the question again to other Qi Gong experts. Is Sexual Kung Fu considered an Advanced form of Qi Gong?

Originally Posted by Aeris

Well since it appears Firegoat has abandoned the thread I’ll ask the question again to other Qi Gong experts. Is Sexual Kung Fu considered an Advanced form of Qi Gong?

You can argue styles and labels forever, but “sexual Kung Fu” and Qiqong are pretty much in agreement. “Inner cultivation” is extensively featured in both and is a requisite of the kind of “evolution” which takes place in these systems. Iron shirt, bagua, tai-chi, it’s all very related. For my nickel, I place them all within the Neijia Arts.


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Originally Posted by Nick666
Anybody here managed to have an orgasm by jerking off something other than the penis ? Haha.

So far I managed to feel pleasure jerking off the base of my dick. Very close to the pubic bone. It felt like my penis and pleasure was all there concentrated at the base. I know theres a nerve running on the the top of the penis, and I admit I also jerked that top portion. I`m curious if I`ll keep jerking lower and lower eventually reaching the pubic bone area, will I have that feeling in my pubic area ?? I`m very curious.

Do something different I did last night seemed unique as oppose to just base work. I gently ever so softly rubbed underneath the glans. It sends a heat wave into your scrotum. I stimulate the entire penis now it still takes an hour to release.


Speak softly carry a big dick, I'm mean stick!

Originally Posted by Aeris

Well since it appears Firegoat has abandoned the thread I’ll ask the question again to other Qi Gong experts. Is Sexual Kung Fu considered an Advanced form of Qi Gong?

I haven’t abandoned this thread, I’ve just been short of time lately, so have had to prioritise; being a mod on a PE forum means the PE questions get answered first as they are of more use to the largest number of people here.

Back to your question: “Is Sexual Kung Fu considered an Advanced form of Qi Gong”?

If you go to the gym and have not been before, it is good to do full body workouts before choosing to concentrate specific muscles, and even while concentrating on a specific muscle, you would still train the rest of your body.

If you start running, you need to ‘build and aerobic base’ before you embark on sprinting or marathon training or hills, but even after starting a specific training, you would still do other types, eg. a marathoner will still do speed-work.

(For the guys) If you start PE, you need to do the Newbie Routine, not jump straight into clamping. And whatever level of PE you reach, you cannot ditch the heat and jelqing.

It’s not that Sexual Kung Fu is an advanced form of Qi Gong, it is just a very specific form. Before doing it, you need to build a ‘base’, in this case the strength of the lower dantian, before you get much out of sexual Qi Gong. Otherwise it is like starting to do hill sprints without building up your heart and lungs and legs muscles first; you increase the chances of straining something, and get very little out of the exercise.

To briefly address other’s points. ys is right that the term ‘blockage’ is not actually correct; we are talking about a restriction of flow. The term ‘blockage’ is the usual term used in Qi Gong and in acupuncture and I am so used to using it when dealing with acupuncturists and other Qi Gong practitioners that I forget that others will not intrinsically understand my meaning. Keep picking me up on things like this!

wantsmore: I wish I could link you to articles I have written on neijia, but it would blow my confidentiality here! As the article you linked says, traditional teachers of TaiJi Quan, XingYi Quan and BaGua Zhang (which I am) include a lot of physical training in their teaching; it is far divorced from the ‘hippy’ Tai Ji that most people think of. XingYi luckily has never suffered from becoming ‘hippified’; most who teach it teach it as a fully functional martial art which just happens to have all the health etc. benefits of TaiJi. BaGua I teach less; usually I just take things from it as ‘corrective medicine’ for what is missing in someones TaiJi or XingYi. It is fairly complex to learn, and without a good base in other martial arts, very few people ‘get it’.

I would class Iron Shirt as a Nei Gong method. In fact I would class everything I have referred to as Qi Gong, as Nei Gong. I would however class Sexual Qi Gong as a Qi Gong, because it does not work on the whole body, rather only one aspect. Here it all gets a bit complex; the delineation between Nei Gong and Qi Gong is a modern phenomena. Until only a hundred years ago or so, there was only Nei Gong and it encompassed everything regarded as Qi Gong now. Equally, the separation of martial arts into ‘internal’ and ‘external’ is fairly new; the article you linked suggests it began with Sun Lutang, but he was only the one who popularised it. It goes back further, but not a great deal.

Although I teach the so called ‘internal’ arts, I draw no great distinction between them and the ‘external’ arts. There are hundreds of definitions of what makes an art internal or external, but mine is rather simple: “If you can continue to become more martially effective with the art past the age of 45, it’s internal; if you become less effective, it’s external”.

I’ve done MA’s for nearly 30 years now, and it was because I wanted to do them for the rest of my life that I switched to the ‘internal’ arts; in the ‘external’ arts I was doing, I was getting older and starting to pick up injuries I would not have got in my 20’s. But the fact is I have seen old practitioners of many ‘external’ styles who have stuck with them and eventually they have themselves become ‘internal’. All martial arts ultimately end up at the same point. As the Chinese say; “Internal arts work from the inside to the outside; external arts work from the outside to the inside”.

If you do Karate for example, and you decide to do 10,000 punches, you will start to get tired after the first thousand or so. When all your muscular strength has gone, the only way you can continue to punch is to put your body in perfect alignment (uses least effort) and just turn from your centre while sinking your weight etc.. You can continue to punch, and you are using your whole body to do it. Your punch no longer has the quality of an ‘iron bar’, it has the feeling of a ‘whip’. We live in a strength orientated, upper body culture, so we intrinsically understand the use of external strength to punch, but it is inefficient. This is the sort of training I do with people to get the ‘internal’ feeling. It’s not the sort of training people expect when they come for a TaiJi class. It’s boring and hard work, and it takes discipline. But it’s the only way to get it. That’s why so few people can use TaiJi to fight - they have been taught hippy TaiJi.

In light of all this talk of Qi, I will point out that you would never hear me mention Qi in a martial arts class! Even when teaching Nei Gong, I teach it as a supplementary exercise, but intrinsic to the style, just as a boxer would do sit-ups and press-ups. I mention Qi, but I don’t dwell on it or explain it; the exercises work if you do them, whether you know anything about Qi or not. That is the way it has always been done. The early martial artists of China were uneducated farmers for the most part, they were concerned with results, not theory. Nei Gong is to build up ‘internal skill’ and strength (that is it’s direct translation). The fact that it makes you internally healthy, is secondary to the fact that it improves your martial arts and allows you to take blows easily. I work with a lot of complementary health care providers, so Qi is a common discussion topic for me, but I like my students to get real results, not get bogged down in theory.

Chinese medicine is primarily concerned with balancing energy flows in the body, and has been around for a very long time, because it works. More of the world’s population still use it than use Western medicine. Each have their strengths and weaknesses. Western medicine has grown in a culture where efficacy has to be proven and side effects known, whereas Chinese medicine developed long before the means to test it were available; if it worked, you used the same modality again; if it didn’t you tried something else (just like PE!).

Qi is a concept used to explain how and why Chinese medicine worked, and indeed by the Chinese to explain how the entire universe works. To try to explain Sexual Qi Gong (or martial nei gong) in terms of Qi is the natural Western way, but the fact is that the exercises, properly done, will work whether you have any understanding of Qi, ‘blockages’ etc. or not. You just need to do them, and if you feel any discomfort from the exercises, go back and build on the foundation exercises some more.


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Firegoat, I mean, Sensei…would this be the wrong place to talk about that white “ninjitsu” dude who got smoked by the roided out street fighter in the first UFC? I mean, what's up with that!? Are ninjas pussies, or what!?

:rolling:

I’m sorry, I just couldn’t help myself.

Amigo, that was thoroughly outstanding reading. After consuming it I find myself hankering to bust out the ole’ rattan hitting sticks and Chia’s “Bone Marrow Nei Kung” and whipping my chi into shape! An inch of Red Korean Ginseng a day wouldn’t hurt me either.

Thanks for the seminar- better than Wikipedia anyday.

You’re lucky I don’t live in England, if you did I might just have to pester you for the location of one of your classes.


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There are many ways to skin a cat. A good genuine street fighter will crush your testicles and your wind-pipe before you know what’s hit you. They usually have a very limited repertoire of techniques, but they have drilled those few moves so hard that there is not much you can do about it.

Watching my cat stalk a bird is like watching a ninja, and he’s a pussy! Any martial art that’s been around a while works; it’s the person doing it that counts.

Personally, I don’t do titles like sensei or sifu. I will be learning until the day I die; guys who like titles tend to stop learning and sit back on their laurels when they have got the respect they crave. I want those I teach to eventually be better than me. If I can take what it’s taken me years to get, and give it to someone in much less time, then I’ve done something worthwhile, but it’s not easy to find good students.

I bet I could find you someone good in Florida, if you really wanted to take the steep road. :)

Thanks for the comments.


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Aptly put, if I could ask for one thing to the universe then it would be: Please prevent me from ever calling myself a master.

Or as some MA people say: First you learn how to do the basics, then the more advanced techniques, and so on.. until you get to a point where you can call yourself rightfully a master. Aspiring grandmasters at this point take a step back and in turn try to unlearn all the things they’ve learned over the yes and become like a child/beginner yet again.

Or something like that.. I really like the notion and it’s true for about anything you do. Unlearning and forgetting what you learned so completely that the only thing left to you is that which is natural to you.

Yet another thing while supposedly grandmaster just don’t train beginners, but their students (or their students’ students). There is usually just too much of an experience gap.

Ys

“In the beginner’s mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert’s mind there are few.”

—Shunryu Suzuki

After reading through this thread, I really feel that I have to say something in defense of Chia.

I very intensively studied his book, “Taoist Secrets of Cultivating Male Sexual Energy” when it first came out in 1984. I was 17 at the time, and was busily devouring everything I could get my hands with regard to eastern philosophy—Tantra and Taoism in particular.

The skills I learned and internalized from that book have stood me in very good stead over the past 23 years, and have provided a firm foundation for further study, practice, and experience. I have never had a personal Taoist sexual Qi Gong instructor other than Chia’s printed words. Still, I consider him one of my teachers, and would recommend that book to any serious student.

The approach is very hands-on and pragmatic. When certain exercises are “dangerous” he gives fair warning. And he walks you through, step by step, from basic, preliminary exercises to more advanced in a way that is easily accessible.

The basic Taoist sexual Qi Gong skills and perspectives presented in Chia’s work continue to influence and inform my practice to this day. With each passing year I gain more respect and gratitude for his generosity of spirit in making this knowledge available to myself and anyone else who is interested.

I think it’s safe to say that that book changed my life.

Originally Posted by cheeva

I think it’s safe to say that that book changed my life.

Me too. His Chi Nei Tsang book wormed in very deep also. The stuff regarding energy exchange with trees affected me a lot too.


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I’m glad somebody likes his work! I was really beginning to wonder why he was so disrespected across so many forums. TaoBums in particular holds no love for Chia. But theirs was not the only forum where I saw that attitude.

So Sexual Kung Fu is not advanced. I’m glad to hear it. I have Chia’s Healing Love Through the Tao: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy. It was by following the steps in this book that I experienced Microcosmic Orbit for the very first time. But I didn’t want to go further if his instructions were dangerous. Reading the stories on the Kundalini Support board scared the daylights out of me so I was concerned Chia’s Sexual Kung Fu instructions could cause the same problems those poor people endure.

Originally Posted by Aeris
I’m glad somebody likes his work! I was really beginning to wonder why he was so disrespected across so many forums. TaoBums in particular holds no love for Chia. But theirs was not the only forum where I saw that attitude.

So Sexual Kung Fu is not advanced. I’m glad to hear it. I have Chia’s Healing Love Through the Tao: Cultivating Female Sexual Energy. It was by following the steps in this book that I experienced Microcosmic Orbit for the very first time. But I didn’t want to go further if his instructions were dangerous. Reading the stories on the Kundalini Support board scared the daylights out of me so I was concerned Chia’s Sexual Kung Fu instructions could cause the same problems those poor people endure.

Just use your common sense and intuition. If you feel “blockage” or discomfort, do something to dissipate the excess energy—exercise, have an orgasm, or just relax into it and let it diffuse.

I highly recommend a book on basic sexual energy work called “The Lover Within” by Julie Henderson. It provides some simple yet powerful tools for acclimating to higher levels of “charge.” It’s a precious little book.

I wonder where there was disrespect in this thread (at least in the latest few posts).
Unless you call it disrespect when people are asking others to use common sense anywhere INCLUDING Chia’s concepts and exercises.

Who would want common sense.. No way! It’s dangerous to think, stop it! ;)

Ys

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